Anyone else going to wait for 5D Mark V

[RogerZoul]

Came close this morning to jumping on the 5R. Spent about an hour calculating sale price for my Mark III and a few lenses. Fortunately common sense eventually prevailed. I tried the RP and although a nice camera I just could not get used to the “small” form factor. I really like size and feel of a dslr. So patiently going to wait till 4th quarter and hope some announcement from Canon for a Mark V. Happy shooting everyone.

• I am perfectly content with my 5D4 and would be in no rush to replace it.
• I will wait for the 5D5 and possibly purchase it, but not until at least a year after its introduction and its first permanent price reduction.
• My guess is that you'll have to wait a lot longer than Q4 2020 to see a 5D5. A debut in the fall of 2022 could be more likely. That means I wouldn't buy one until 2023 or 2024.
• I will not buy an R5, because I believe the series has at least one more iteration to go before it reaches total maturity. That means possibly another two or three years down the road. I have no facts regarding this, only utter speculation and wild guesswork. Can you say "R5 Mark II?"
• I'm not replacing my EF glass, so I don't really see much of a benefit in going to a smaller body, other than the higher MP resolution.

Your bullet #4 is just incorrect. What you see in the r5 was perfected in the 1DX3 and it actually an iteration beyond that camera since it now gives you coverage 100% in both directions. The r5 and r6 are fully mature cameras as much as the 5D4 was and will ever be. I certainly am not replacing my EF glass either, but Canon is not even trying to force that on us. If you add the grip to the r5/r6, it will be close enough in size to the 5D4 that there is just no missing it. I see the higher resolution, the higher fps, the eye and face tracking for animals and people to be huge benefits over what all the DSLRs have now. IBIS will make video through the VF a real thing. It is just miles ahead and DSLRs are practically dead. While have said many times that I would love to see a 7D3 show up, I am now doubting that will happen because Canon will soon be leading the market in the ML area and there will be little reason to keep in making DSLRs since they are so far behind ML in capability.

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

Came close this morning to jumping on the 5R. Spent about an hour calculating sale price for my Mark III and a few lenses. Fortunately common sense eventually prevailed. I tried the RP and although a nice camera I just could not get used to the “small” form factor. I really like size and feel of a dslr. So patiently going to wait till 4th quarter and hope some announcement from Canon for a Mark V. Happy shooting everyone.

• I am perfectly content with my 5D4 and would be in no rush to replace it.
• I will wait for the 5D5 and possibly purchase it, but not until at least a year after its introduction and its first permanent price reduction.
• My guess is that you'll have to wait a lot longer than Q4 2020 to see a 5D5. A debut in the fall of 2022 could be more likely. That means I wouldn't buy one until 2023 or 2024.
• I will not buy an R5, because I believe the series has at least one more iteration to go before it reaches total maturity. That means possibly another two or three years down the road. I have no facts regarding this, only utter speculation and wild guesswork. Can you say "R5 Mark II?"
• I'm not replacing my EF glass, so I don't really see much of a benefit in going to a smaller body, other than the higher MP resolution.

Your bullet #4 is just incorrect. What you see in the r5 was perfected in the 1DX3 and it actually an iteration beyond that camera since it now gives you coverage 100% in both directions. The r5 and r6 are fully mature cameras as much as the 5D4 was and will ever be. I certainly am not replacing my EF glass either, but Canon is not even trying to force that on us. If you add the grip to the r5/r6, it will be close enough in size to the 5D4 that there is just no missing it. I see the higher resolution, the higher fps, the eye and face tracking for animals and people to be huge benefits over what all the DSLRs have now. IBIS will make video through the VF a real thing. It is just miles ahead and DSLRs are practically dead. While have said many times that I would love to see a 7D3 show up, I am now doubting that will happen because Canon will soon be leading the market in the ML area and there will be little reason to keep in making DSLRs since they are so far behind ML in capability.

DSLRs are pratically dead?

What about the recently introduced 1DX3?

Built for professional photographers for a reason.

 

[Digitalshooter2]

DSLRs are pratically dead?

What about the recently introduced 1DX3?

Built for professional photographers for a reason.

The news of death of DSLRs is premature.

 

[Stakeouttoo]

R5 R6 NO GPS... a step backward and for that kind of money ---a waste I'll keep my DSLR's and let all the gotta have it people waste theirs

 

[MitchAlsup]

I seriously doubt there will be a 5DM5.

Canon will lose the dSLR market if that statement is true.

 

[Tannin]

with the intense competition, shrinking camera market ... I don't think we'll see a 5D V, darn it.

All the more reason to release a product which will sell to people who otherwise would not buy anything. That is Business 101. When you discover a potential market, fill it.

There are thousands and thousands of photographers happy to spend up on new model SLRs, but unimpressed by the mirrorless stuff, especially the viewfinders, which suck.

I am just one of many: I'll happily buy a 5D V, and if they do one I'll buy a 7D III as well, but if all Canon can offer me is more and more mirrorless stuff, I'll spend the money elsewhere. Home improvements, musical instruments, travel (yes, we can travel here, we are Covid-free), maybe time to start thinking about upgrading my car ....

Canon can't just assume they will get my dollar. And if they don't make an appealing product, they won't get it.

 

[Mika Y.]

Your bullet #4 is just incorrect. What you see in the r5 was perfected in the 1DX3 and it actually an iteration beyond that camera since it now gives you coverage 100% in both directions. The r5 and r6 are fully mature cameras as much as the 5D4 was and will ever be. I certainly am not replacing my EF glass either, but Canon is not even trying to force

Isn't it a bit early to state this, until there are reviews about the actual finished product rather than pre-release versions of the camera as well as experiences from actual end users like us?

I do personally think R5 and R6 are unlikely to have major quirks and are likely viable successors for the 5D and 6D series, but I wouldn't be completely surprised to find out there are some non-trivial issues/bugs that need to be addressed.

 

[Maverick07]

I am waiting for the 5D5 as well. Until it is released I will stay with my D3. If it does not come, oh well Canon will have lost a customer. Not opposed to change, rather do not appreciate being forced to a new platform.

 

[jayrandomer]

I seriously doubt there will be a 5DM5.

Canon will lose the dSLR market if that statement is true.

Canon will have abandoned the DSLR market if that is true.

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

I am waiting for the 5D5 as well. Until it is released I will stay with my D3. If it does not come, oh well Canon will have lost a customer. Not opposed to change, rather do not appreciate being forced to a new platform.

Well said, being a birder means looking through binos for hours. being a bird photographer means looking through the viewfinder for hours.

Looking through binos and spotting scopes for long periods is already extremely tiring. The last thing we want is an EVF and get a headache.

Sports photographers must have the same experience as they are also waiting for that rare moment.

These two customer groups are not opposed to change, they don't want a new tool that is a step backwards.

 

[RedFox88]

You’ll be waiting a long time. Canon wants users to be to R models, in part to buy RF lenses. At best a 5D5 might be 2 years away if not 3.

Canon may want this but several groups of photographers don't want the EVF and don't want to work with adapters to use their glass.

There’s no performance hit with the Canon adapter

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TheBlackGrouse

 

[RedFox88]

I'm sure there were groups of photographers saying the same thing when AF lenses and the EF mount first came into being.

If they build a mirrorless with an optional OVF I'll buy it.

Not possible without a mirror

The mirror is a blur introducing, noise making, weight adding nuisance anyway.

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

You’ll be waiting a long time. Canon wants users to be to R models, in part to buy RF lenses. At best a 5D5 might be 2 years away if not 3.

Canon may want this but several groups of photographers don't want the EVF and don't want to work with adapters to use their glass.

There’s no performance hit with the Canon adapter

Fair enough but every adapter weakens the system. I never use a converter for the same reason, simply don't like it, I want my lens to be glued to the body.

Admittedly, that's a minor issue compared to the EVF ;-)

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TheBlackGrouse

 

[Tannin]

I am waiting for the 5D5 as well. Until it is released I will stay with my D3. If it does not come, oh well Canon will have lost a customer. Not opposed to change, rather do not appreciate being forced to a new platform.

Well said, being a birder means looking through binos for hours. being a bird photographer means looking through the viewfinder for hours.

Looking through binos and spotting scopes for long periods is already extremely tiring. The last thing we want is an EVF and get a headache.

Sports photographers must have the same experience as they are also waiting for that rare moment.

These two customer groups are not opposed to change, they don't want a new tool that is a step backwards.

Two good posts there. It is downright offensive the way some people constantly claim (without a shred of evidence) that SLR users are "afraid of change" and "stuck in the past". It is a palpably wrong view. I doubt that there is a single person here who would say no to actual improvements in the overall usability and utility of a camera. But there are a lot of us here (and countless thousands more who don't read DPR) who will not shell out good money on a new tool which is less useful than the one it is designed to replace.

 

[RogerZoul]

Came close this morning to jumping on the 5R. Spent about an hour calculating sale price for my Mark III and a few lenses. Fortunately common sense eventually prevailed. I tried the RP and although a nice camera I just could not get used to the “small” form factor. I really like size and feel of a dslr. So patiently going to wait till 4th quarter and hope some announcement from Canon for a Mark V. Happy shooting everyone.

• I am perfectly content with my 5D4 and would be in no rush to replace it.
• I will wait for the 5D5 and possibly purchase it, but not until at least a year after its introduction and its first permanent price reduction.
• My guess is that you'll have to wait a lot longer than Q4 2020 to see a 5D5. A debut in the fall of 2022 could be more likely. That means I wouldn't buy one until 2023 or 2024.
• I will not buy an R5, because I believe the series has at least one more iteration to go before it reaches total maturity. That means possibly another two or three years down the road. I have no facts regarding this, only utter speculation and wild guesswork. Can you say "R5 Mark II?"
• I'm not replacing my EF glass, so I don't really see much of a benefit in going to a smaller body, other than the higher MP resolution.

Your bullet #4 is just incorrect. What you see in the r5 was perfected in the 1DX3 and it actually an iteration beyond that camera since it now gives you coverage 100% in both directions. The r5 and r6 are fully mature cameras as much as the 5D4 was and will ever be. I certainly am not replacing my EF glass either, but Canon is not even trying to force that on us. If you add the grip to the r5/r6, it will be close enough in size to the 5D4 that there is just no missing it. I see the higher resolution, the higher fps, the eye and face tracking for animals and people to be huge benefits over what all the DSLRs have now. IBIS will make video through the VF a real thing. It is just miles ahead and DSLRs are practically dead. While have said many times that I would love to see a 7D3 show up, I am now doubting that will happen because Canon will soon be leading the market in the ML area and there will be little reason to keep in making DSLRs since they are so far behind ML in capability.

DSLRs are pratically dead?

What about the recently introduced 1DX3?

Built for professional photographers for a reason.

The 1Dx3 was made for the 2020 Olympics, which got canned.

But, I do think that Canon will continue to make more DSLRs as several of their personnel have all but said so over the last few days with the r5/r6 formal announcement. But given the similarity between Canon bodies, both mirrored and ML, I don't think it will be hard to be in either camp except for the missing features one will have with DSLRs and vice versa (less battery life for ML, build quality, etc.). A lot of what's new in the 1Dx3 is in the r5/r6.

 

[RogerZoul]

Your bullet #4 is just incorrect. What you see in the r5 was perfected in the 1DX3 and it actually an iteration beyond that camera since it now gives you coverage 100% in both directions. The r5 and r6 are fully mature cameras as much as the 5D4 was and will ever be. I certainly am not replacing my EF glass either, but Canon is not even trying to force

Isn't it a bit early to state this, until there are reviews about the actual finished product rather than pre-release versions of the camera as well as experiences from actual end users like us?

I do personally think R5 and R6 are unlikely to have major quirks and are likely viable successors for the 5D and 6D series, but I wouldn't be completely surprised to find out there are some non-trivial issues/bugs that need to be addressed.

Bugs don't make a system not mature. Bugs are a fact of life. Given that the AF system in the r5/r6 is basically the same one in the 1Dx3, and that camera shoots like a demon, I feel confident in saying these are mature systems, as that is what Canon is best at. Let us not forget there is the R, the RP, and all of the M-series cameras with the latest one being the M6 mark 2 with a 32 MP sensor. Canon knows its game. Other than 8k video, there is little that is totally new in these bodies.

 

[RogerZoul]

I am waiting for the 5D5 as well. Until it is released I will stay with my D3. If it does not come, oh well Canon will have lost a customer. Not opposed to change, rather do not appreciate being forced to a new platform.

Well said, being a birder means looking through binos for hours. being a bird photographer means looking through the viewfinder for hours.

Looking through binos and spotting scopes for long periods is already extremely tiring. The last thing we want is an EVF and get a headache.

Sports photographers must have the same experience as they are also waiting for that rare moment.

These two customer groups are not opposed to change, they don't want a new tool that is a step backwards.

Come now, BlackGrouse....you don't look through a VF for hours, you may be out there for hours, but must of it won't be spent looking through a VF. The very act of looking though one for hours will give you a headache, no matter if it is optical or electronic. And the 120 Hz refresh rate should help those who do get headaches from a EVF.

 

[RogerZoul]

You’ll be waiting a long time. Canon wants users to be to R models, in part to buy RF lenses. At best a 5D5 might be 2 years away if not 3.

Canon may want this but several groups of photographers don't want the EVF and don't want to work with adapters to use their glass.

There’s no performance hit with the Canon adapter

Fair enough but every adapter weakens the system. I never use a converter for the same reason, simply don't like it, I want my lens to be glued to the body.

Admittedly, that's a minor issue compared to the EVF ;-)

If you want to your lens "glued to the body" then ILC are not for you. And a TC can yield up great results when used under the appropriate conditions and circumstances. Given that one doesn't carry a telephoto rig by the body to avoid pressure on the mount, the "weakened" system is not a significant matter.

As for the EVF, let us not be closed-minded.

 

[Tannin]

It's not about being closed-minded. Well, not on the part of the people who have tried out modern EVFs and found them seriously wanting - and I'll wager that practically everyone in this thread has tried mirrorless systems lately, so we know what we are talking about. The closed minds here are the ones who somehow cannot fit it into their heads that some people care more than they do about viewfinder quality and usability, and are not interested in spending a lot of money on something like an R5 for a downgrade on what they already have.

It's that simple. Make an EVF as good as (say) the OVF in a 5D III and it's game over. But no company knows how to do that yet. Maybe they never will, who can say?

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

I am waiting for the 5D5 as well. Until it is released I will stay with my D3. If it does not come, oh well Canon will have lost a customer. Not opposed to change, rather do not appreciate being forced to a new platform.

Well said, being a birder means looking through binos for hours. being a bird photographer means looking through the viewfinder for hours.

Looking through binos and spotting scopes for long periods is already extremely tiring. The last thing we want is an EVF and get a headache.

Sports photographers must have the same experience as they are also waiting for that rare moment.

These two customer groups are not opposed to change, they don't want a new tool that is a step backwards.

Come now, BlackGrouse....you don't look through a VF for hours, you may be out there for hours, but must of it won't be spent looking through a VF. The very act of looking though one for hours will give you a headache, no matter if it is optical or electronic. And the 120 Hz refresh rate should help those who do get headaches from a EVF.

Many days I do, especially when in more static positions where the camera is the only tool you use. Then, you wait for the birds, pick them up with the OVF and follow them constantly. Often, I even use manual focus because BBF and IS cost too much battery life.

Sounds crazy? Think about shooting sports, try a soccer game.

Yes, on a hiking day (hiking first, shooting second) the OVF time is much less. But my point is that there are user groups that simply need an OVF. That said, we may assume that the EVF will be good enough in a few years.

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TheBlackGrouse