EOS3D confirmed for September

[ignay]

I'm glad I'm still on D30. D60 and 10D was tempting, but the same FOV was a bit of a turn off for me.

As a landscape/street photography on jpeg, the improvements on D60 and 10D is nice but not awesome IMO.

Now, EOS3D (or whatever) is the one I will jump to. I'll be real happy with FOV 1.3. I don't expect FF in this release.

I just hope it will be priced around US$2000, not 3-4K....

Hopefully we'll get more info soon......hey, it's already May! Just a few more months!

Yahoooooooooo

 

[hyslopc]

It is a single sensor with multiple outputs. I just browsed around a few sites to try and find the answer as to how many outputs there are, but couldn't find it. I have a vague recollection that there were 8 outputs. This is why the 1D has prolems with banding whereas no other Canon DSLR has - it's the only Canon DSLR with multiple outputs.

What does the 1D sensor look like? Is it two sensors, or one sensor
with two datapipes? (I just recalled that some early 1D had
problems with keeping the two halves 'in sync' so to speak, i.e.
discolouration in one half of the picture)

 

[Pigasus]

Adam,

I'm not sure whether to hope for a 1.3 crop (which is what I personally really want) or for a full frame so that you'll buy the camera and tell us all which lenses work best with it> ;-)

Oh dear, another reason not to buy the 10D.

Sally
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[Jim Dawson]

no integral battery grip. If so, I'll sell my 1D for it.

Jim

Was talking with my Canon source today at the Photoimaging
conference in Melbourne.

Can confirm to you that the EOS 3D is on schedule for a September
release.

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[xhyao]

why? you feel grip is annoying? I liked it.

Sherwood.

no integral battery grip. If so, I'll sell my 1D for it.

Jim

 

[Diane B]

1) It will be released at the same time as a updated EOS 3 type
film camera
and it will be CMOS based
2) The name EOS 3 is not nessesarily going to be used but the
camera will slot in between the 1D and the 10D in price and feature
set.

I.e. we're led to believe/hope that the "3D" (I hope they won't
stick with that moniker) will be similar to the updated EOS 3?

How does EOS 3's AF system compare to 1V/1D? They all have 45 AF
points, but how about AI Servo performance? What improvements did
they hint were in store for the new EOS 3?

(Incidentally: Have the 1V become more expensive this year in
Australia as well? Over here the price went up slightly this year)

A few other little things ....updated 1D due around the same time
with possibly the worlds first interleaved CMOS processor.

Hmm... IIRC, an interleaved CCD allowed digicam manufacturers to
gain a fast shutter speed by halving the resolution? Or put
differently: What the hull is an interleaved CMOS? ;-) (Perhaps a
way to achieve 1D like shutter speeds with a CMOS?)

I checked to be sure on the 1Ds, but I thought I remembered that it has a CMOS sensor--so now this would mean that all the new Canon cams have CMOS sensors--or am I wrong?? Does this mean that this is the direction they are going and leaving others with the CCD sensors?? Interesting---I don't fully understand (nor want to LOL) all the 'tech' stuff, but I do remember discussions, before I went the D60 route a year ago, from some of my old Oly SLR friends who were going Nikon BECAUSE they felt Canon was schizophrenic with their sensors--CCD AND CMOS. Looks as though perhaps they have found their own route.
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[Petteri Sulonen]

why? you feel grip is annoying? I liked it.

Portability is a major concern for some of us. I get around on foot or by bike. The less I have to carry to get my pictures, the better. In terms of size vs. handling, the AE-1 is just about perfect for me -- small and light enough (with a 50/1.4) to swing from my wrist when I'm hiking, yet big enough to get a solid grip and easy handling, even with gloves.

I'm really happy that the 1Ds is such a monster. Otherwise I'd feel bad about not being able to afford it.

Petteri
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[DavidP #28649]

Dangit -- I wasn't gonna buy anything this year. LOL.

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[RichW]

would want an integrated grip. Like night and day. At least 3/4 of the consumer market would not buy a camera with a grip you can not remove. Just way too big and bulky.

Rich

Sherwood.

no integral battery grip. If so, I'll sell my 1D for it.

Jim

 

[DavidP #28649]

The EOS-3 AF was the prototype for the 1v. It's essentially the same. I think maybe the specs are a tad slower than the 1v.

Having used the -3 and the -1D, I couldn't really notice any difference. Granted, they were used a year or two apart, with the D30 in between.

How does EOS 3's AF system compare to 1V/1D? They all have 45 AF
points, but how about AI Servo performance? What improvements did
they hint were in store for the new EOS 3?

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[DavidP #28649]

I have a feeling only the 1D and 1Ds are going to have the integrated grip. All of the consumer and prosumer cameras will have an optional grip.

JMHO, but that's one way to distinguish them, and to keep the prices lower on the "non-pro" cameras.

no integral battery grip. If so, I'll sell my 1D for it.

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[DavidP #28649]

I can't see the -3D being full-frame. Not at the pricing they're talking about. Since Paul says it's not 1.6x, I think it'll be 1.3x I still think it'll be 1.3x, too. I'd think that the target market for the 1D upgrade would still be photojournalists, many of which are shooting sports wide-open, and who won't miss all the distortions out on the edges of the frame.

As for the 1D update, I suppose it's possible that'll be full-frame.
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[Alen Jerman]

I think EOS D3 will have body made of magnesium and EOS 3 shape. So freshly produced EOS 3 will also have metallic body and improvement AF of EOS D3.

Alen

 

[DavidP #28649]

Canon has a lock on how to utilize CMOS sensors and keep the noise down. Nobody else can do this. CMOS is cheaper than CCD, too, giving Canon an advantage.

The 1D was originally supposed to be CMOS, as I understand it. But, the only way (at that time) they could get a chip to give 8 fps was to go with CCD.

If they can find a way to make CMOS do 8 fps now, you can bet they'll dump CCD altogether.

Add to that fact that Canon now produces their own CMOS chips. No more reliance on outside companies for the most important part of a digital camera . . the sensor.

I checked to be sure on the 1Ds, but I thought I remembered that it
has a CMOS sensor--so now this would mean that all the new Canon
cams have CMOS sensors--or am I wrong?? Does this mean that this
is the direction they are going and leaving others with the CCD
sensors?? Interesting---I don't fully understand (nor want to LOL)
all the 'tech' stuff, but I do remember discussions, before I went
the D60 route a year ago, from some of my old Oly SLR friends who
were going Nikon BECAUSE they felt Canon was schizophrenic with
their sensors--CCD AND CMOS. Looks as though perhaps they have
found their own route.
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[DavidP #28649]

Clearly some 10D's (as well as 1D's, etc) have had a focusing issue. And Canon is able to adjust them. In the case of Pekka's camera, they couldn't find the reason for the problem, and simply got him another one.

Clearly there is an "AF issue". I'd say they meant a combination of #1 and #3 (and therefore, also #4).

Paul: 10D focusing issue is considered by Canon Japan to be a non
issue (I agree)

What does that means?

1. Only a small number of 10D has AF issue.
2. There is no such AF issue.
3. It can be fixed easily and so it's not an issue.
4. The 10D issue doesn't hurt Canon sales.

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[Adam-T]

1.5Mp more than the 10D? no way - an extra 1 FPS? no way - 45 focus points? maybe , maybe not, compared to a D60 then YES but the 10D is no slouch in AF (when you get a good one) in the first place ..

It's got to be more than a measly 1.3X and the EOS3's CPU deficient version of the 1V AF to tempt people -------- You can tell that I REALLY want it to be full frame can't you ;-)

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[kalahari]

I have the 10D. It is a half height camera and very difficult to hold on to. The EOS3 without the portrait grip is MUCH more comfortable. The addition of the portrait grip can always be an option for those that want it.

 

[Bern Caughey]

Just before the 10D was announced, Canon told APA the new 1D will be FF. They also mentioned they would be releasing another camera a level above the 10D that will be have a 1.3 FOV CMOS & both the releases are due in the third quarter of 2003.

I bought my 1D just after hearing this news.

Regards,
Bern Caughey

 

[Kjeld Olesen]

It has been hard to resist the 10D, but now I think that I will manage, and stay with the D30 for just a little longer.

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[DavidP #28649]

9 megapixels with a 1.3x multiplier. That's the same pixel density as the D60, BTW.

Definitely 45 AF points. Just like the EOS-3.

FPS will still be 3, IMO.

This is for the EOS-3D, not the 1D update.

Oh, it'll run on a BP-511 battery pack, and BG-ED3 will work on it.

Remember, you read it here first!

1.5Mp more than the 10D? no way - an extra 1 FPS? no way - 45 focus
points? maybe , maybe not, compared to a D60 then YES but the 10D
is no slouch in AF (when you get a good one) in the first place ..

It's got to be more than a measly 1.3X and the EOS3's CPU deficient
version of the 1V AF to tempt people -------- You can tell that I
REALLY want it to be full frame can't you ;-)

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Photography -- just another word for compromise