Do the x10 complainers actually own the camera?

[DS21]

DS21 wrote:

No, it was a challenge to show the world how great photographer he is, he dared us to show if we can do better (then even his lighting test, which he probably did with 10% of his skill, and he is still far better then us). We should be thankful to read the words of such a master, and happy to feast our eyes on such skillful compositions, when he decides to teach us a little bit, and show us how the real pros do it.

Wow, sounds like you have an axe to grind with the OP.
Lovers quarrel?

I'm just going by what he posted in the thread Kim is referring to.

Dan.

Me too, I am just going by what he posted in the thread Kim is referring to. It was a challenge as to who is a better photographer. No idea where did you find an axe, I was speaking highly of OP. Or what is your definition of lovers quarrel. I think I don't want to know.

 

[aeneon]

I did own it but got rid of it because if its awful faults. You'd have to have low expectations to actually keep one !!

 

[Kim Letkeman]

It was a lighting test or did you miss that part Kim?

OP has promised to post some actual purpose driven attempts with the X10...coming up.

Well, at least you managed to avoid making it personal as you seem to favor lately.

As has already been pointed out ... the OP started by insulting people who complain about the X10 and stating that they are not photographers. Then he issued a rather smug challenge while using these examples as his gauntlet.

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[Kim Letkeman]

Wow, sounds like you have an axe to grind with the OP.
Lovers quarrel?

Dan ... your constant harping lately has taken on a real ad hominem flavour. What is it that has changed? You were much more pleasant when you were just not around much.

This comment of yours is just childish.

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[DC Alford]

Kim wrote

Well, at least you managed to avoid making it personal as you seem to favor lately.

If I feel the need to jab I prefer to be direct about it, rather than silly backhanded jabs such as the one you just directed at me.

As has already been pointed out ... the OP started by insulting people who complain about the X10 and stating that they are not photographers. Then he issued a rather smug challenge while using these examples as his gauntlet.

You don't have to justify anything in your response to the OP to me Kim.

I just wanted you to know these were lighting test pics in case you really were interested to see any purposeful attempts by the OP with the X10 using his lighting set up & models.

Dan.

 

[DC Alford]

Kim wrote:

Dan ... your constant harping lately has taken on a real ad hominem flavour. What is it that has changed? You were much more pleasant when you were just not around much.

I bet GaryJP would agree with you as well Kim.

This comment of yours is just childish.

Having fun with what is clearly a sarcastic post by DS21...do you mind?

Dan.

 

[DC Alford]

DS21:

Me too, I am just going by what he posted in the thread Kim is referring to. It was a challenge as to who is a better photographer. No idea where did you find an axe, I was speaking highly of OP. Or what is your definition of lovers quarrel. I think I don't want to know.

Sarcasm is much more effective when you put a little effort into it.

Is English not your native language? Seriously, I'm just trying to figure out how much of this is genuine....

Dan.

 

[DS21]

DS21:

Me too, I am just going by what he posted in the thread Kim is referring to. It was a challenge as to who is a better photographer. No idea where did you find an axe, I was speaking highly of OP. Or what is your definition of lovers quarrel. I think I don't want to know.

Sarcasm is much more effective when you put a little effort into it.

Is English not your native language? Seriously, I'm just trying to figure out how much of this is genuine....

Dan.

You got it right the first time.

 

[rude]

i did. l

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

OMG, the people that fall into this category are freaks...

Actually, are you guys even photographers?

Let's play the who owns an x10 and is a photographer game. I'll go first and post a fun lighting test I did a while back:

 

[absentaneous]

it looks like this shot was taken on a top of a ship that is about to flip over and sink in the sea. why not aligning the horizon properly? that's a big mistake for someone who's telling others to learn how to shoot.

 

[nakeddork]

it looks like this shot was taken on a top of a ship that is about to flip over and sink in the sea. why not aligning the horizon properly? that's a big mistake for someone who's telling others to learn how to shoot.

That's silly...

You might have an argument if I was taking a landscape shot, but clearly the main subject wasn't the ocean.

I composed and framed for the girl.

 

[Adam-T]

Actually the Sigma SD14 DID get fixed. The fix is called the SD15, and if you check the Sigma forum you will be able to see that the SD15 is regarded as the fix for the SD14.

I don't remember Sigma handing SD15s out to SD14 owners who had receipts showing a non firesale price anymore than the ORBless X11 will be given free to X10 owners . if every SD14 owner sent the camera back for any number of the design issues they'd have pulled it and fixed it - and they were 100% repeatable, especially the locking up, corrupt files etc which were far more critical faults across all samples than the whacky white balance, metering, useless AF and green cast which varied between cameras .

Meanwhile on the Sigma forum we still see quite a few photos taken by SD14s, since the camera works well when carefully handled.

Yep, you have to take one shot let it digest it properly before taking another to avoid the corrupt files or lockups, don't review any on the LCD and play fo ages with SPP's colour wheel to get the green removed, simply not accetpable for 90% of the population to put up with (even the Kodak 14N was more reliable than that) - the SD9 (2002 and virtually a prototype) and SD10 didn't have any of the SD14s issues despite the age of the SD9 - all you needed to worry about was the battery system (I ran an SD9 for 7 years) R-CRV3s sorted it in its day, Eneloops would now .

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[FujicaMan]

it looks like this shot was taken on a top of a ship that is about to flip over and sink in the sea. why not aligning the horizon properly? that's a big mistake for someone who's telling others to learn how to shoot.

Firstly the op wasn't "telling others to learn how to shoot" please re-read. Secondly the I'd check the picture the picture in your gallery before being the critic of others, your snap is a) boring b) gainy

 

[Trevor G]

I have more of a problem with the processing speed of the camera, when the camera writes.

Are you using fast cards?

I did a test on Class 6, 15Mb/s, 45 and 95 Mb/s cards.

The latest 95s make a real difference, more than 3 times faster than poor old class 6, when shooting a buffer full of RAW+ images.

Results are here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&message=40195535
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[Trevor G]

... that still wasn't good enough for the people that are defending Fuji, tooth and nail, likely to keep their resale up enough to sell.

No, we are not rattymouse. ;-)

Those of us who really like the camera are very unlikely to consider selling it.

We extol its virtues because we believe they outweigh its failings, many times over.

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[Trevor G]

How were you able to shoot (according to your Exif data) with higher shutter speeds than the cam was designed for, according to the OP Manual and also my hands on experience?

Maybe you should try using A mode? ;-)

I've posted X10 images in here which were 1/4000 at f2.0 and ISO400.

The shutter speed indicator turns red, but exposure still apears to be accurate when compared with the same shot at ISO100 and 1/1000.

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[Trevor G]

However, at those much higher shutter speeds the image quality would suffer, especially the background blur would be messy.

Do you have some examples?

My 1/4000 f2.0 images don't suffer from messy background blur.

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[Trevor G]

When the indication turns red the mechanical shutter cannot travel the whole way over the open aperture, so it will block parts of it. Smaller aperture means less area to travel fort the shutter.

In theory, perhaps.

In practise, not.

Well, not for my images, including the station ones previously posted by me 3 months or more ago.

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[Trevor G]

This thread is not about the X10 problems or ORBS, is about the OP trying to show or prove that he is a good photographer.

I think he clearly stated that it is about showing the good points of the X10. ;-)

He has already pointed out that his purpose in using the X10 is not for professional use, but to examine lighting (not composition) and similar issues.

I like his demonstration, mostly because I also like the X10 unconditionally. It's a great camera, and here is someone demonstrating its greatness in his eyes. I like that!

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[Trevor G]

What they are 'complaining' about is (that problem) in the output and whether you own the camera or not makes no difference.

I find it interesting that non-owners can assume that they can speak authoritatively about its bad points.

Who would believe a non-owner trying to extol its virtues?

He would have no hope, since even an owner is derided for his opinions and skills in a quick test shoot.

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