Do the x10 complainers actually own the camera?

[nakeddork]

Forum lore has it that a certain forum member, who happened to be one of the most vocal of the X10 critics, actually bought the camera in order to speak from the authoritative point of view of an X10 owner ...

Lawlz...that's insane.

Did he end up liking the camera?

I don't really understand how people that actually own the x10, don't like.

Unless of course someone goes into it with the expectation that it's a leica, with the performance and versatility of a D4, and the image quality of a Hasselblad. Then, someone will be sorely disappointed.

Although, if you buy it with the knowledge that it's a high end point-n-shoot, you'll love it.

I'm mainly a portrait photographer, and I love the x10 for that. Great skintones, colors, and insane lighting capabilities. Definitely a great camera!

 

[DC Alford]

Thanks for indulging me a few more photos!

Looks very good. The second shot's bright background actually works very well imho, of course your lovely model really helps too.

I can imagine a little fine tuning with the lighting & some creativity with the background & you'd have printable-saleable images from your X10 with ease.

Dan.

 

[snake_b]

The thing is it doesn't even matter if people who own the cams are complaining (which they are in numbers) because at that point, people will still not find it acceptable and bash the hell out of those people for complaining.

There's another thread where someone accused another guy throughout the forum of not owning the cam. The poster posted a pic of his cam and I'm assuming that still wasn't good enough for the people that are defending Fuji, tooth and nail, likely to keep their resale up enough to sell.

 

[DC Alford]

ND wrote:
Oh yeah Dan, the sync speed is fantastic!!! This was done wirelessly too!!!

I basically wanted to see if I could match the backlighting of the sun, and put the x10 is a horrid lighting situation.

The x10s lighting capabilities surpass any pro DSLR...it even surpasses my hasselblad!!!

That's why I got the camera in the first place...well, and I wanted I fun camera for scouting locations a whatnot.

I did this shoot in jpeg too! I rarely shoot this camera in raw.

I'll post a couple more shots...this whole shoot was a lighting test, I just wanted to see what camera was capable off.

The x10 is a fantastic portrait camera!

Very encouraging, especially accompanied by these test pics.

I'll be looking forward to more from you.

Dan.

 

[nakeddork]

Thanks for indulging me a few more photos!

Looks very good. The second shot's bright background actually works very well imho, of course your lovely model really helps too.

I can imagine a little fine tuning with the lighting & some creativity with the background & you'd have printable-saleable images from your X10 with ease.

Dan.

Oh yeah, Tia really made the job easy.

This was just a test to push the lighting limits of the x10. They were actually pretty horrid conditions that couldn't be pulling off with a DSLR and naked lens. I could probably do something similar to this with a hasselblad and get better results, but I definitely could not use the same settings.

I normally don't do serious work with the x10...not that it isn't capable, I just have other camera's that make the job easier.

Hmmm...I'll try to do some stunning portrait shots at todays shoot if I have some extra time.

 

[Silent Oracle]

On second thoughts its not so great, I would have composed that shot without the drain in the bottom left hand corner and is that an orb in the models one eye?

That drew my attention too, Wellington. That and the fact that half the top of her head was chopped off.
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[nakeddork]

On second thoughts its not so great, I would have composed that shot without the drain in the bottom left hand corner and is that an orb in the models one eye?

That drew my attention too, Wellington. That and the fact that half the top of her head was chopped off.
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You guys should show me some of your examples of how it should be done...

 

[Carlodpr]

and I don't even know if such exists, but would it be possible to put a polarizing filter or any filter of some sort and see if that handles or at lease mitigates the orbs issue?

Maybe this is a stupid question but I was wondering...

 

[Luego]

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

OMG, the people that fall into this category are freaks...

Actually, are you guys even photographers?

Let's play the who owns an x10 and is a photographer game. I'll go first and post a fun lighting test I did a while back:

Hi nakeddork,

You did great work with your exterior shooting and amazing lighting.
The results look stunning!

However, may be you could answer this question:

How were you able to shoot (according to your Exif data) with higher shutter speeds than the cam was designed for, according to the OP Manual and also my hands on experience?

Here are the shutter speed limits:

Shutter speeds 1/4000s to 30s (at f/8 and f/11)
1/2500s to 30s (at f/5.6 and smaller)
1/2000s to 30s (at f/4 and smaller)
1/1250s to 30s (at f/2.8 and smaller)
1/1000s to 30s (all apertures)

As you can see your shutter speed should have been limited to 1/1250s with f/2.8 in your shot above.

I'm looking forward to your response.

Happy images

Luego

 

[Argie]

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

OMG, the people that fall into this category are freaks...

I'm with you, nakeddork... I'd guess the percentage is much lower than that, but still their presence in this forum and obsessive behavior is probably covered in the Manual of Mental Disorders.

Ditto for the abusive, even obscene replies to your opinion .

George
Bedford, TX

 

[Timur Born]

Luego, M-anual mode allows to override shutter speed limits. You will get a "red" reading on the screen and according to some DPreview article (or forum post?) this will lead to the shutter not traveling the whole way over the sensor (it's not fast enough), but it's possible.

 

[Luego]

Luego, M-anual mode allows to override shutter speed limits. You will get a "red" reading on the screen and according to some DPreview article (or forum post?) this will lead to the shutter not traveling the whole way over the sensor (it's not fast enough), but it's possible.

Timur, you are right because I'm looking at my new X100LE and that's why the ND filter.

However, at those much higher shutter speeds the image quality would suffer, especially the background blur would be messy.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/17

 

[edu T]

On second thoughts its not so great, I would have composed that shot without the drain in the bottom left hand corner and is that an orb in the models one eye?

That drew my attention too, Wellington. That and the fact that half the top of her head was chopped off.

I wonder if the crooked horizon is a novice error so common that you both didn't find it even worth mentioning?

 

[nakeddork]

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

OMG, the people that fall into this category are freaks...

Actually, are you guys even photographers?

Let's play the who owns an x10 and is a photographer game. I'll go first and post a fun lighting test I did a while back:

Hi nakeddork,

You did great work with your exterior shooting and amazing lighting.
The results look stunning!

However, may be you could answer this question:

How were you able to shoot (according to your Exif data) with higher shutter speeds than the cam was designed for, according to the OP Manual and also my hands on experience?

Here are the shutter speed limits:

Shutter speeds 1/4000s to 30s (at f/8 and f/11)
1/2500s to 30s (at f/5.6 and smaller)
1/2000s to 30s (at f/4 and smaller)
1/1250s to 30s (at f/2.8 and smaller)
1/1000s to 30s (all apertures)

As you can see your shutter speed should have been limited to 1/1250s with f/2.8 in your shot above.

I'm looking forward to your response.

Happy images

Luego

Those caps only ties into the A and S modes.

In manual mode the aperture and shutter speed are independent of each other, as long as your dynamic range setting is at 100%.

I normally wouldn't use these settings, though. I'd actually elect to stay around the 1/2000 range, because that's what my wireless trigger reliably sync too. Although, I can still get a 1/4000 sync, it's just clips the flash pulse, and compensating for it is a little funny...but still consistent.

Although, the x10 isn't going to give much bokeh after f/4 so a high sync will still be crucial for keeping the dof shallow. Although, I shot this at like 3 in the afternoon, in varying conditions (cloudy to full sun) as well, which I normally wouldn't do...because that's crazy for this type of shooting.

Although, the x10 can handle it. Lighting wise, there are not a lot of other cameras that come close to competing with the x10. The only other camera I can think of are the x100 and medium format cameras.

 

[Luego]

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

OMG, the people that fall into this category are freaks...

Actually, are you guys even photographers?

Let's play the who owns an x10 and is a photographer game. I'll go first and post a fun lighting test I did a while back:

Hi nakeddork,

You did great work with your exterior shooting and amazing lighting.
The results look stunning!

However, may be you could answer this question:

How were you able to shoot (according to your Exif data) with higher shutter speeds than the cam was designed for, according to the OP Manual and also my hands on experience?

Here are the shutter speed limits:

Shutter speeds 1/4000s to 30s (at f/8 and f/11)
1/2500s to 30s (at f/5.6 and smaller)
1/2000s to 30s (at f/4 and smaller)
1/1250s to 30s (at f/2.8 and smaller)
1/1000s to 30s (all apertures)

As you can see your shutter speed should have been limited to 1/1250s with f/2.8 in your shot above.

I'm looking forward to your response.

Happy images

Luego

Those caps only ties into the A and S modes.

In manual mode the aperture and shutter speed are independent of each other, as long as your dynamic range setting is at 100%.

I normally wouldn't use these settings, though. I'd actually elect to stay around the 1/2000 range, because that's what my wireless trigger reliably sync too. Although, I can still get a 1/4000 sync, it's just clips the flash pulse, and compensating for it is a little funny...but still consistent.

Although, the x10 isn't going to give much bokeh after f/4 so a high sync will still be crucial for keeping the dof shallow. Although, I shot this at like 3 in the afternoon, in varying conditions (cloudy to full sun) as well, which I normally wouldn't do...because that's crazy for this type of shooting.

Although, the x10 can handle it. Lighting wise, there are not a lot of other cameras that come close to competing with the x10. The only other camera I can think of are the x100 and medium format cameras.

Well, I'm very pleased to hear your response. I was under the impression, that as soon the shutter speed indication turns red, the shutter no longer performs properly and therefore IQ would be affected. I'm glad you found a way around that by ignoring Fuji's recommendations.

(By the way I just checked M mode and the shutter speed indication changes to red too if the combo exceeds speed and aperture according to my table).

Thanks for the very useful information. I don't own an external flash yet, but if I do I might contact you again.

However, I recently added a black X100 LE to my equipment list and I have yet to confirm if the X100 outperforms the X10. So far the lens and the AF does not meet my expectations.

Happy images

Luego

 

[Timur Born]

When the indication turns red the mechanical shutter cannot travel the whole way over the open aperture, so it will block parts of it. Smaller aperture means less area to travel fort the shutter.

 

[worldcup1982]

That is not so much of a problem..the horizon is. The lightning is good..nothing special, but good. All other shots have some problem. The last has a disturbing background, the second has a problem with the lightning below her waist and the background. The location was not well chosen. This thread is not about the X10 problems or ORBS, is about the OP trying to show or prove that he is a good photographer. He might become one. Not yet, but eventually he will. The biggest problem is the hole attitude, the history of offensive posts. Is like trying to show everyone else do not know sh1%t and he knows everything. Thats a great way to end up with poor results.

And before any reply(from the op), like show me better, think that are many people that dont care about this kind of photography. And that does not mean you cannot recognize something well done (or not)

On second thoughts its not so great, I would have composed that shot without the drain in the bottom left hand corner and is that an orb in the models one eye?

That drew my attention too, Wellington. That and the fact that half the top of her head was chopped off.
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Jada

http://silentoracle.weebly.com/blog.html

 

[Silent Oracle]

You guys should show me some of your examples of how it should be done...

You lend the impression that you are a pro photographer. If so, it's totally ridiculous that you would parachute into a group of passionate hobby photographers and set forth a machine-gun arguement based on this stupid opinion:

"I figured out how to get around the x10's orb problem once and for all.....stop sucking at photography. "

What's wrong with you - other than being born?

Based on your nasty behavior, I have no desire to look nor purchase work from a nasty person - no matter how great a photographer that you might be.

I keep picturing a magnifying glass and roasting insects. You're definitely not the type of person that I'd want to go enjoy a lemon freeze and gingersnap cookies with.
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Jada

http://silentoracle.weebly.com/blog.html

 

[Silent Oracle]

On second thoughts its not so great, I would have composed that shot without the drain in the bottom left hand corner and is that an orb in the models one eye?

That drew my attention too, Wellington. That and the fact that half the top of her head was chopped off.

I wonder if the crooked horizon is a novice error so common that you both didn't find it even worth mentioning?

Edu, actually I did notice that - along with the sewer vent on the ground to the left. I guess it's a sewer vent; nonetheless, it seems applicable to the situation. Maybe it's a UFO as the guy appears to be from another planet. Perhaps Planet Dork.

Obviously, he hasn't yet discovered the cloning tool. As to the crooked horizon, I would strongly suggest that he do a bottoms-up on a tall glass of V8 before his next shoot.
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Jada

http://silentoracle.weebly.com/blog.html

 

[Midwest]

I'm just curious. It seems like 90% of the people that complain about the camera don't own it.

Those who 'complain' about it aren't saying 'it doesn't handle well' or 'it's too small' or 'the viewfinder isn't good enough'. Those would be things one might have to own the camera to really decide on.

What they are 'complaining' about is (that problem) in the output and whether you own the camera or not makes no difference.