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Once again! Please Phil, split this forum..

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Thebear said:
Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?
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I've only been using this forum for a short while, but what I find useful is the range of skills represented and the fact that contributors use the full range of Nikon DSLRs.

I've seen many posts by D1x and D2x users that have helped me get better results from my D100. I have seen many posts by people who are less experienced than me but have raised issues that I have not considered, mis-understood (for years)....

FWIW

-JohnK
 
Michael Worley said:
. . . I mean, who would pay $8,000 for a camera and then post
nonsense? Indeed, who?

Mike
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You mean ' the rich gardener' - well, anyway, the 1Ds is only a Canon, so what's wrong with using it as a P & S?
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That's all it takes is a minimum effort to identify, expound on basic shot details, snip out old part of thread, take "nt" out of subject line, if there is text inside a reply, and of course put your reply on the TOP!
Steven S said:
If the camera and or subject doesn't interest someone in
particular, then they can easily pass over it, and go on to the
next. Also, if ppl would kindly give the most basic of information
when posting pics, such as ISO, shutter speed, Aperture preference,
and f-stop, that alone would prevent the inevitable followup
questions regarding that stuff. That's something I see repeated
over and over again.
Speaking of streamlining the board for ease of use and most "bang
for the buck", if you will, I really wish ppl would snip out all
the previous post, except where it's pertinent to the followup.
Also, putting your reply ON TOP of the old message would also
streamline the reading of subsequent post, as we wouldn't have to
scroll all the way down to the BOTTOM of a sometimes long ar$se
thread just to see "Nice pic" at the bottom. Those three changes
alone would help us read what's important to us, and what's not, by
1000%! As long as I'm preaching, how 'bout ppl kindly remove the
"nt" from the subject line, in followup messages, when in fact
there IS text inside. It only takes a little time to do it right.
In other words, don't be so lazy when posting, and it'll make this
board run much, much smoother!
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Nikon's own survey research doesn't support that.
TyKo said:
My desire to see the forum split is not about flash sync speeds or
frame rates of buffer depths. It's about the unavoidable fact that
that the D70 will bring a vast amount of people who are new to
photograhy and digital cameras. The combination will bring a lot of
questions and threads that just aren't relevant to a huge
percentage of the people who currently utilize the forum.

The reason you don't see very many good d1x pictures is that the
people who buy those cameras and use them are busy making a living,
not posting messages. Why post a photo to a news group when you
coudl be making money from it in a magazine, stock, etc.? Ever seen
Thom post a photo here? Yet he uses a D1x. (How can that be?)
Seriously--Thom and Ron Reznick both have financial incentive to
post and hang out here. I'm not at all suggesting that their
motives are tainted, but show many the many other serious pro
shooters who post here. They don't, because they're off making a
living, and when they aren't doign that, they're learning how to
use their equipment. Rather than sit around and wait for someone
else to explain what their camera(s) can or can't do, they go out
and use them and learn first hand. (A novel idea, I know.)

The specs fo the d70 have got to be wrong. Nikon isn't going to
make a camera w/ twice the featurs (an exageration) and sell it for
half or two-third's the price as the d100. It would utterly kill
the 100. So either the specs are wrong, or we can expect an upgrade
to the d100.

I'll go so far as to say that if the D2h threads had wandered too
far off into things specific to the d2h, I'd be in favor of giving
it a forum too. But so far, noise has been about the only topic.
There's been a little bit about the new AF, but not much else. The
noise topic remains relevant because it would seem that it's
Nikon's technology that they plan to implement into their future
bodies. I-TTL is a similar situation.

I just want to avoid the "what's white balance" or "what's spot
metering" types of threads. I mean, how long has the D100 been out
and we still get an occasional thread about "are d100 images soft?"
Do you remember how many of those posts went around the first time?
And kept going around, and around, and around. I'd just like to see
that not happen again with whatever characteristics prove to be
unique to the D70 and its images.

regards,
TyKo
Ed Nazarko said:
Oh yeah, they sync at different speeds - I haven't seen one
intelligent post where that was of consequence. Oh yeah, the D1x
can do an interpolated 10mp image. I've seen total of two posts
about that in the last year. Honestly, very little gets posted or
discussed here that's camera specific, and that's even with the d2h
and d1x on this forum - and IMHO, after using most of the Nikon
line in rentals or by owning them, the REAL split is between the
fast cameras (the d?H) and the slow ones. The H are really,
noticeably different from the others in a way that the D1x and D100
are not.

Either the D1x owners on this forum are awful dull and incompetent,
or the cameras - and the problems that shooters need to manage to
get great results - are more alike than the proud owner of a $4k
camera wants to admit. I find that there are just as many dull and
uninformed D1x posts here as there are d100, and that's with fewer
cameras sold.

I bought 2 D100 instead of 1 D1x, after shooting with both (and the
Fuji S2) - and I did that because the user interface and ergonomics
were better on the d100 to me, and having a backup seemed pretty
smart. I think a whole lot of people don't realize that a lot of
people are making their choices based on ergonomics, size, etc. If
they weren't, the Fuji S2 would have been DOA.

Honestly, as cheap as the D70 is, it sounds better spec than the
d100, so perhaps there'll be smarter people buying them than me.
TyKo said:
The point isn't about experience or talent as a shooter. The point
is about equipment. It doesn't matter wether you have all the money
in the world or hardly any. If you have a D100 and want information
about a D100, a forum dedicated to the D100 would aim your
questions and posts directly at those for whom it's intended. If
you think that a bunch of untalented, clueless people own D1x's,
just wait until the D70 hits the market. "Uninformed" will take on
a whole new meaning. Why make the rest of us suffer through that?

regards,
TyKo
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Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

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Thebear said:
Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?
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Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com
 
Thebear said:
Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?
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A resounding no, as it is always useful to have full spectrum (to use an analgy) of what is going on in the Nikon SLR field. One new feature in one new bodu maybe a new feature one day in the body your using and you might even miss it if you did not know it was there.

Kevin.
 
It is a technical forum so tests happen obviously ..
Simon said:
This forum has degraded into a dump and run gallery for peoples
pets, bird and holiday snaps
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simon said:
As a D1X user I find more useful info over on the Canon 1D / 1Ds
forum - hard to believe but it's right.
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Someone needs a Hug ....
simon said:
I would definately support a Pro Nikon dSLR area - not necessarily
governed by camera type but certainly by content.
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there is a Pro Forum too ... where pros can discuss
simon said:
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Thebear said:
Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?
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I think that a very high percentage of high end Nikon DSLR users will buy the D70 but I dont think that is true with the higher end Canon users and the digital Rebel.

So, for now, I think the list should NOT be split. I would suggest waiting at least a month after the D70 hits the streets before making any decision on splitting the forum.

Ron Schroeder
Owner of 3 Nikon mount DSLRs and soon to be owner of a D70
 
Who are you to impose a "don't keep asking"? some kind of minuscule dictator?

Raul
PaulT said:
joao sobral said:
Thebear said:
Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?
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Steven S said:
I hear what you're saying, man. Why do ppl always use the word
"then" instead of "than". Why don't ppl use commas more often? With
their run-on sentences, lacking any useful punctuation, it's hard
to figure out where to pause while reading it. Sometimes I find
myself having to go back an re-read the sentence to make sense of
it. Of course, no one's gonna change, but we can always hope ;
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
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You have p*ssed off the hawk! I haven't been here lately because I've had it with these types of posts. This one is sooooo pitiful, I couldn't let it go without comment. I know I'll take some heat, I really don't care anymore, if Phil wants to kick me off, fine, I'm all but gone now anyway. Now, to the issues at hand:

1. It's Phil's site, he makes the decisions, not you. You don't like it? Go away!

2. Stop the trolling posts! If you want Phil to consider something, e-mail him, don't post in the forums. READ the info here, it CLEARLY says Phil doesn't reply to questions to him in the forums. Assuming you are not an idiot, the only reasons for posting this kind of thing over and over and over and over and over and over (GET THE POINT?) again is to stir up trouble. See solution in #1 above!

3. If this is the biggest issue here, we all (and I include myself in this for lowering myself to this level of response) need to Get a Life!

Rant over, flame away!

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'I may not know much about art, but I know what I like' John Cleese
http://www.pbase.com/baywing
pbase supporter
 
I don't want to travel thru 3 or 4 forums to find an info or adress an info.

You will have people writing the same thread in ALL the forums

The split with Lens/camera body is already enough of a mess with almost everyone not following the rules, I don't want to see it happen in the NSLRTF

I want this place to stay as is, we do not need to repeat the Canon's mistake ... (not intented to the users or the camera itsefl).

Too many places to go, you lose interest quickly ...

Just identify the thread a little more carefully and that's it ...

BTW, a D-70 users might have an excellent question that could apply to the whole familly as well as the opposite. For me the camera body doesn't say anything about the photographer's ability to take pictures or write a decent thread.

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Which is ok, because how else do you know. It would really suck if all it took was an email to Phil and voila!, the forum was split.

Especially since the opinion is now running 27 to 10 against.
Baywing said:
You have p*ssed off the hawk! I haven't been here lately because
I've had it with these types of posts. This one is sooooo pitiful,
I couldn't let it go without comment. I know I'll take some heat,
I really don't care anymore, if Phil wants to kick me off, fine,
I'm all but gone now anyway. Now, to the issues at hand:
1. It's Phil's site, he makes the decisions, not you. You don't
like it? Go away!
2. Stop the trolling posts! If you want Phil to consider
something, e-mail him, don't post in the forums. READ the info
here, it CLEARLY says Phil doesn't reply to questions to him in the
forums. Assuming you are not an idiot, the only reasons for
posting this kind of thing over and over and over and over and over
and over (GET THE POINT?) again is to stir up trouble. See
solution in #1 above!
3. If this is the biggest issue here, we all (and I include myself
in this for lowering myself to this level of response) need to Get
a Life!

Rant over, flame away!

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'I may not know much about art, but I know what I like' John Cleese
http://www.pbase.com/baywing
pbase supporter
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Yves P. said:
I don't want to travel thru 3 or 4 forums to find an info or adress
an info.
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Agreed, and you will find that most won't spend the time to do so.
Yves P. said:
You will have people writing the same thread in ALL the forums
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I disagree, here. Respectfully to you, Yves, I think people will only go to 1 or 2 places. What that means is folks like Jarrell will stay with the D100 crowd, wherever they are, and the rest will miss out on his photos, stories and humor unless they visit where he is. I, even when I was here, would only post in one place, I dislike to repeat myself.
Yves P. said:
The split with Lens/camera body is already enough of a mess with
almost everyone not following the rules, I don't want to see it
happen in the NSLRTF
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Maybe, but I can see the point, Nikon glass can be used on Kodak and Fuji bodies, so there is some logic to it. There will always be mistakes and always a certain number of people who don't take the time to read the rules.
Yves P. said:
I want this place to stay as is, we do not need to repeat the
Canon's mistake ... (not intented to the users or the camera
itsefl).

Too many places to go, you lose interest quickly ...
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I agree, but there are many other factors that have made me loose interest.
Yves P. said:
Just identify the thread a little more carefully and that's it ...

BTW, a D-70 users might have an excellent question that could apply
to the whole familly as well as the opposite. For me the camera
body doesn't say anything about the photographer's ability to take
pictures or write a decent thread.
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I'm thinking of the D70 as backup for the D100, I don't consider myself a newbie at either digital or film photography. Whatever happens, I'll decide what I will do and what I won't. I've pretty much decided I'm gone from here anyway.........
Yves P. said:
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Yves,
Yves P. said:
I don't want to travel thru 3 or 4 forums to find an info or adress
an info.
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Personally, I don't want to have to pile through a million D70 threads to find info on a D1x.
Yves P. said:
You will have people writing the same thread in ALL the forums
The split with Lens/camera body is already enough of a mess with
almost everyone not following the rules, I don't want to see it
happen in the NSLRTF
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well, I don't think its that big of a mess. Personally, I've noticed a dramatic decrease in the amount of "Just bought a D100, what lens should I get" threads. And I'm very glad for that.
Yves P. said:
I want this place to stay as is, we do not need to repeat the
Canon's mistake ... (not intented to the users or the camera
itsefl).
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I guess "mistake" is relative to perspective.
Yves P. said:
Too many places to go, you lose interest quickly ...
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I already don't have very much interest in the D70.
Yves P. said:
Just identify the thread a little more carefully and that's it ...
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Which we know will never, ever happen.
Yves P. said:
BTW, a D-70 users might have an excellent question that could apply
to the whole familly as well as the opposite. For me the camera
body doesn't say anything about the photographer's ability to take
pictures or write a decent thread.
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Yes, that could happen. And of course equipment doesn't dictate skill. But the market that the D70 is intended for is not the skilled, knowledgable market. Does that mean that skilled, knowledgable people won't buy the D70? Of course not. But will tens of thousands of people who don't know much about both photography and digital imaging will buy the camera. How many "what's white balance?"; "What's spot metering" or "what metering mode is best"; "what settings will give me the best results" or "why isn't my camera giving me perfect pictures every time" threads do you want to endure?

Anybody w/ some money can by any camera they want. But you can't tell me that a camera aimed at the lower-end (in terms of skill) of the market isn't going to bring out a thousand questions that relate to really basic stuff covered in the manual or a decent book on photography. I'm not trying to say they shouldn't be allowed to ask them or that someonw who wants to take the time to answer them should be allowed to. But give it it's own forum.

"What's nikon capture?" "what's RAW/NEF?" Etc. We don't need to go through that every time Nikon introduces a new body?

In my opinion, of course.

Regards,
TyKo
Yves P. said:
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