Once again! Please Phil, split this forum..

[TyKo]

ya, there's something to that. Traditionally the divide has been money, in that nobody would spend $3500 on a camera if they didn't have a fair amount of photographic knowledge. Of course, there's going to be a bunch of people who will say that's not true, I know so-n-so who's clueless but just bought a d1x blah blah blah. But as a general rule, it holds true. As for not seeing very many good D1x photos posted...well, what can I say? Most people who buy that level of camera don't spend their time in newsgroups. They spend it working w/ their camera, making themselves a living.

And while there's still going to be a pretty large range of experience/talent/skill that buys the D100, the buyer of the D70 is going to be much more homogenis, and it's going to consist mostly of less-experienced users. There's going to be a billion and a half posts from people who are too lazy to read their instruction manuals, or who simply don't have enough experience/knowledge to grasp what is in their manuals. That's why, at the very least, it needs its own forum. I don't really care if the d100 gets split off or not, but I suspect that when they replace it (say the "d200"), the board will be flooded with stuff that isn't really relevant to anyone who doesn't own one, and I'll probably wish it had its own forum too. But at least that class of camera has something in common with the D1/D2 series.

regards,
TyKo

1) you can read and post anywhere you want--anyone can

2) much of the information and posts in these forums revolve around
equipment--these are technical questions. Even those posts w/
pictures still relate to the equipment that took them.

3) Splitting the forums isn't about exclusion or hierarchy. It's
about organzing information so that a person can read (and post)
what they actually want or need to. Why do you think Libraries use
the dewey decimal system? Not to keep people from reading any book
they want. Rather, so they can actually find the book they want,
when they want it.

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

--
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[Phil Flash]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

--
Phil Flash
SF, CA USA
'Trust the 'kon!'

Stuff I own in my profile.

 

[Chris101]

Charge him a lot per hour and talk real slow.

just because you've got the money to buy the top of the line
doesn't mean you know what you're doing. I had a great time as an
instructor at the ferrari club events running down the 400
horsepower $200K cars in my 200 horsepower $30K car...

If Nikon only sold D1x and D2x to pro photogs, they'd be out of
business. 99% of them are bought by schmoes like us. the only
reason i don't own a d1x is because i found the d100 plus some
large and medium format gear got me a better working set of tools.

. . . and coming under the category of "I wish I'd said that."

--
Mike
----------
coupla cameras
some lenses
three bicycles
used Jeep
the love of a good woman

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

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[StevenN]

I intend to purchase the D70 as soon as it hits the streets and I would like to have available to me the expertise of all Nikon DSLR owners without jumping back and forth between two forums.

There is one forum for all Nikon Coolpix cameras, why split up the DSLR forum?

--StevenN

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

 

[Ed Nazarko]

I've shot with both the d1x and the d100. They're a whole lot more alike than different - how they white balance, use of Capture, etc. At the level where they differ, you're into taking the guts out of them, not shooting with them.

Oh yeah, they sync at different speeds - I haven't seen one intelligent post where that was of consequence. Oh yeah, the D1x can do an interpolated 10mp image. I've seen total of two posts about that in the last year. Honestly, very little gets posted or discussed here that's camera specific, and that's even with the d2h and d1x on this forum - and IMHO, after using most of the Nikon line in rentals or by owning them, the REAL split is between the fast cameras (the d?H) and the slow ones. The H are really, noticeably different from the others in a way that the D1x and D100 are not.

Either the D1x owners on this forum are awful dull and incompetent, or the cameras - and the problems that shooters need to manage to get great results - are more alike than the proud owner of a $4k camera wants to admit. I find that there are just as many dull and uninformed D1x posts here as there are d100, and that's with fewer cameras sold.

I bought 2 D100 instead of 1 D1x, after shooting with both (and the Fuji S2) - and I did that because the user interface and ergonomics were better on the d100 to me, and having a backup seemed pretty smart. I think a whole lot of people don't realize that a lot of people are making their choices based on ergonomics, size, etc. If they weren't, the Fuji S2 would have been DOA.

Honestly, as cheap as the D70 is, it sounds better spec than the d100, so perhaps there'll be smarter people buying them than me.

regards,
TyKo

just because you've got the money to buy the top of the line
doesn't mean you know what you're doing. I had a great time as an
instructor at the ferrari club events running down the 400
horsepower $200K cars in my 200 horsepower $30K car...

If Nikon only sold D1x and D2x to pro photogs, they'd be out of
business. 99% of them are bought by schmoes like us. the only
reason i don't own a d1x is because i found the d100 plus some
large and medium format gear got me a better working set of tools.

. . . and coming under the category of "I wish I'd said that."

--
Mike
----------
coupla cameras
some lenses
three bicycles
used Jeep
the love of a good woman

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

 

[Ed Nazarko]

he still owes me for the last month i worked with him, and for two weeks of restructuring consulting since then... you can bet i'll be charging a lot per hour, UP FRONT.

just because you've got the money to buy the top of the line
doesn't mean you know what you're doing. I had a great time as an
instructor at the ferrari club events running down the 400
horsepower $200K cars in my 200 horsepower $30K car...

If Nikon only sold D1x and D2x to pro photogs, they'd be out of
business. 99% of them are bought by schmoes like us. the only
reason i don't own a d1x is because i found the d100 plus some
large and medium format gear got me a better working set of tools.

. . . and coming under the category of "I wish I'd said that."

--
Mike
----------
coupla cameras
some lenses
three bicycles
used Jeep
the love of a good woman

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

--
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

 

[Ed Nazarko]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

--
Phil Flash
SF, CA USA
'Trust the 'kon!'

Stuff I own in my profile.

--
Ed

Make pictures, don't take them - it leaves more for others.

http://www.onemountainphoto.com

 

[Iliah Borg]

The point isn't about experience or talent as a shooter. The point
is about equipment.

For some reason best advices about equipment I've ever get in my life are from good photographers, not from just anybody "technically educated". I guess it is because they know what exectly are the problems while shooting.

It doesn't matter wether you have all the money
in the world or hardly any. If you have a D100 and want information
about a D100, a forum dedicated to the D100 would aim your
questions and posts directly at those for whom it's intended. If
you think that a bunch of untalented, clueless people own D1x's,
just wait until the D70 hits the market. "Uninformed" will take on
a whole new meaning. Why make the rest of us suffer through that?

There is a good chance D70 would have more in common with D2h, than D2h and D1x

--
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[Sean Keegan]

Those b@stard Sigma lens users. Who wants to read through all their cr@p when they are obviously not good photographers since they have sigma lenses. How dare they clog up MY FORUM with stuff to wade through, since I am a real photographer and only own Nikon lenses.

In case you have not figured it out, I am completely against splitting the forums.

 

[Michael Worley]

. . . I mean, who would pay $8,000 for a camera and then post nonsense? Indeed, who?

Mike
----------
coupla cameras
some lenses
three bicycles
used Jeep
the love of a good woman

 

[gheijnen]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

 

[dave newton]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

--
Imagination Rules The World!

 

[JimmyL]

As long as I'm preaching, how 'bout ppl kindly remove the

"NT" from the subject line, in followup messages, when in fact
there IS text inside.

Well, I must admit guilt here, but, I never noticed it in my replies.......

I have however noticed it in others and was embarrassed to ask what nt meant.......duh, talk about brain failure..........

Best Regards. Jimmy

pbase supporter

 

[Rory]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

--
Rory

 

[Bill Moss]

if this forum isn't meeting your needs and is a source of frustration to you, maybe there is somewhere else that will make you happy.

Leave the forum as is. How many times are you going to rerun this thread?

Bill
--
http://www.pbase.com/mngatorguy

 

[NeilCam]

And stop this whiny asking every second week. If this is too busy for you go start your own forum.

Neil
--
http://www.motifwebs.com/gallery/

 

[TyKo]

No I I don't think the two cameras are that different. I used the d100 as an example, just to throw a model number out there. I'd go so far as to say the D2h is far more different from from the 1x/1h/100 than the 100 is from the x/h. But come on, do you really want to see a bunch of posts w/ bad photos where someone says, "what happened?" and some else says "white balance" and the original poster responds "what's white balance?" I can't image anybody wants go through that. But it seems to me that the D70 is going to inevitably bring a huge amount of that to the forums.

My desire to see the forum split is not about flash sync speeds or frame rates of buffer depths. It's about the unavoidable fact that that the D70 will bring a vast amount of people who are new to photograhy and digital cameras. The combination will bring a lot of questions and threads that just aren't relevant to a huge percentage of the people who currently utilize the forum.

The reason you don't see very many good d1x pictures is that the people who buy those cameras and use them are busy making a living, not posting messages. Why post a photo to a news group when you coudl be making money from it in a magazine, stock, etc.? Ever seen Thom post a photo here? Yet he uses a D1x. (How can that be?) Seriously--Thom and Ron Reznick both have financial incentive to post and hang out here. I'm not at all suggesting that their motives are tainted, but show many the many other serious pro shooters who post here. They don't, because they're off making a living, and when they aren't doign that, they're learning how to use their equipment. Rather than sit around and wait for someone else to explain what their camera(s) can or can't do, they go out and use them and learn first hand. (A novel idea, I know.)

The specs fo the d70 have got to be wrong. Nikon isn't going to make a camera w/ twice the featurs (an exageration) and sell it for half or two-third's the price as the d100. It would utterly kill the 100. So either the specs are wrong, or we can expect an upgrade to the d100.

I'll go so far as to say that if the D2h threads had wandered too far off into things specific to the d2h, I'd be in favor of giving it a forum too. But so far, noise has been about the only topic. There's been a little bit about the new AF, but not much else. The noise topic remains relevant because it would seem that it's Nikon's technology that they plan to implement into their future bodies. I-TTL is a similar situation.

I just want to avoid the "what's white balance" or "what's spot metering" types of threads. I mean, how long has the D100 been out and we still get an occasional thread about "are d100 images soft?" Do you remember how many of those posts went around the first time? And kept going around, and around, and around. I'd just like to see that not happen again with whatever characteristics prove to be unique to the D70 and its images.

regards,
TyKo

Oh yeah, they sync at different speeds - I haven't seen one
intelligent post where that was of consequence. Oh yeah, the D1x
can do an interpolated 10mp image. I've seen total of two posts
about that in the last year. Honestly, very little gets posted or
discussed here that's camera specific, and that's even with the d2h
and d1x on this forum - and IMHO, after using most of the Nikon
line in rentals or by owning them, the REAL split is between the
fast cameras (the d?H) and the slow ones. The H are really,
noticeably different from the others in a way that the D1x and D100
are not.

Either the D1x owners on this forum are awful dull and incompetent,
or the cameras - and the problems that shooters need to manage to
get great results - are more alike than the proud owner of a $4k
camera wants to admit. I find that there are just as many dull and
uninformed D1x posts here as there are d100, and that's with fewer
cameras sold.

I bought 2 D100 instead of 1 D1x, after shooting with both (and the
Fuji S2) - and I did that because the user interface and ergonomics
were better on the d100 to me, and having a backup seemed pretty
smart. I think a whole lot of people don't realize that a lot of
people are making their choices based on ergonomics, size, etc. If
they weren't, the Fuji S2 would have been DOA.

Honestly, as cheap as the D70 is, it sounds better spec than the
d100, so perhaps there'll be smarter people buying them than me.

The point isn't about experience or talent as a shooter. The point
is about equipment. It doesn't matter wether you have all the money
in the world or hardly any. If you have a D100 and want information
about a D100, a forum dedicated to the D100 would aim your
questions and posts directly at those for whom it's intended. If
you think that a bunch of untalented, clueless people own D1x's,
just wait until the D70 hits the market. "Uninformed" will take on
a whole new meaning. Why make the rest of us suffer through that?

regards,
TyKo

 

[Chris101]

One digital and one film SLR Nikon forum!!

--
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/

 

[NNS]

Now that the D70 will shortly hit the streets and the D2X is going
to be announced very soon, I think it's high time to split this
forum into two seperate forums: D1/D2 series forum and
D100/D70/D100X(whatever?) forum. It's not the first time I'm
raizing this appeal to Phil Askey but IMHO now is the time. What do
you think?

 

[Steven S]

--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone