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1 XQD is better than...
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In 2015 there were no other FF alternatives that offered that type of resolution, DR, 4k video and 5 axis IBIS(Not that I would have suggested it).
Now there are alternatives that offer Full Frame Mirrorless with Dual card slots.
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MrHollywood
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Sounds rational to me, especially since you already have a good mirrorless that works for you.
Rob
MrHollywood
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At the level of these cameras, especially given the failures I just witnessed, I will choose weather sealing and build over 2nd slot.
Card failures and lost pics - ULTRA rare.
Rain & dust and humidity - ULTRA common.
I'll also choose the best viewfinder, which is pretty important as well.
Rob
No, Thom calls it a minus, not a marketing minus. Quote:
"I can try to get the feature advantages/disadvantages right"
as unambiguous wording as they come
Let's compare your vision to reality. Who started a thread pointing to a favorable review of the Z6/Z7
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Who started a thread pointing to Thom's page mentioning the plus and minus of each system
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Who is arguing that we should not jump to conclusions until further testing regarding what Sony calls the eye-AF feature
Who proposes a justification about why the Z6/7 have only one card slot which is not a criticism of Nikon
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Who likes the design
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Finally apart from the one card slot I haven't not written one negative comment about the Z6 /Z7. None nada zip. I challenge you to prove otherwise using links.
And, yes, I do comment on the absence of a 2nd card slot because, after all, there is only one :-D
Wait, that sounds all too familiar. I've heard all the same arguments about the D850 from you.
I stand corrected. I do berate people. I'll find a link right away to my post to prove it. While I am on it I'll link to the post where I've written it's some sort of disaster. Searching searching searching
Strange, are you sure about that alternate reality ?
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I bet wedding photography is the #1 money maker for photographers and I bet they would choose a 2nd slot over weather sealing.
New Day Rising
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I am not arguing about it at all. I have no strong view on whether one XQD or two SD card slots is better - different people have different needs and preferences. I am asking you why you are arguing - that is not the same as arguing myself. The closest I have come to arguing with you is querying your apparent inability to get basic probability principles.Hmmm. Why are YOU arguing about it?Good for them. And good for you for having so many wealthy friends.LOL! If I happened to be "insecure" I'd be telling you much more. The fallacy of questioning my successful work practices is what the post is all about. To some of my friends, that sailboat is a "starter yacht."It really is SO sad that you felt the need to tell everyone that. All that money and still insecure. Sad.--I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
Yeah, you should sell your Nikon stuff. It's really much worse than Sony!
You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.
Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it. But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you?
It's hilarious, all this hysteria. I was recently on a set and some guy with a Canon is trying to explain to me how I might like Canon better. Meanwhile my day rate is 10 times what he makes. I think you'd be well served by letting people work the way THEY WANT. You're in no position to do otherwise.
Sorry, but go find my 500 complaints about Sony card slots. BZZZZZZT! You lose again. My main complaint for Sony has been the same...lousy handling and build. They're excellent cameras that I don't care for. Do you see me posting about it in the Canon forums? NO. Do we have Sony people here bashing Nikon? Yup. Kinda obvious what the deal is.
Okay, so you can buy into that and avoid all single slot cameras. Great! So....BYE!I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
LOL. Here we go again. My "questionable work practices" allow me to be currently shopping for a new Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 sailing yacht. I'll pay cash.
"We need a bigger boat."
Yet still you feel the need to make literally dozens of posts over multiple threads arguing with complete strangers about the merits of cameras with two slots. If the issue is trivial, why invest so much energy into arguing about it?
Before you go too far down the rather lame path of stereotyping people based on the cameras they own:
- Yes, I have a Sony A7ii that I bought recently. It's a good camera, aside from its poor battery life, but I have no emotional attachment to it or to the Sony brand.
- I used Nikon DSLRs for many years and also had a nice set of 1 series gear. I recently sold a lot of the Nikon gear to save bulk (rather than weight) but have kept some bits and pieces.
- I have a set of Olympus m4/3 gear, that together with the Sony covers most of my day-to-day use.
- A while back I sold a Tamron 150-600, the only bit of gear I have ever regretted selling. I recently bought another one. The one I got a good deal on was Canon mount, so I bought a cheap 700D for it, with a couple of other lenses. I don't think any of that is in my gear list yet.
For the record, if I was in the market for a new FF MILC, which I'm not, and had plenty of money, which I don't, I would look very closely at the new Zs. When the time comes, I will. I have no particular brand loyalty, but enjoyed my Nikons over many years.
MrHollywood
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Nope. Wedding photography is a far FAR 2nd place to product/advertising work. It's not even close. As good as my friend is at wedding work, she can't touch my buddy who previously shot for Rolex.
2.5 millions weddings per year in the USA is a mere fraction of product photography. One personal observation...most product shooters I've known or met are good at what they do, but most wedding shooters (in my experience) are not very skilled.
Rob
MrHollywood
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You are. Right now.I am not arguing about it at all.Hmmm. Why are YOU arguing about it?Good for them. And good for you for having so many wealthy friends.LOL! If I happened to be "insecure" I'd be telling you much more. The fallacy of questioning my successful work practices is what the post is all about. To some of my friends, that sailboat is a "starter yacht."It really is SO sad that you felt the need to tell everyone that. All that money and still insecure. Sad.--I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
Yeah, you should sell your Nikon stuff. It's really much worse than Sony!
You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.
Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it. But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you?
It's hilarious, all this hysteria. I was recently on a set and some guy with a Canon is trying to explain to me how I might like Canon better. Meanwhile my day rate is 10 times what he makes. I think you'd be well served by letting people work the way THEY WANT. You're in no position to do otherwise.
Sorry, but go find my 500 complaints about Sony card slots. BZZZZZZT! You lose again. My main complaint for Sony has been the same...lousy handling and build. They're excellent cameras that I don't care for. Do you see me posting about it in the Canon forums? NO. Do we have Sony people here bashing Nikon? Yup. Kinda obvious what the deal is.
Okay, so you can buy into that and avoid all single slot cameras. Great! So....BYE!I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
LOL. Here we go again. My "questionable work practices" allow me to be currently shopping for a new Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 sailing yacht. I'll pay cash.
"We need a bigger boat."
Yet still you feel the need to make literally dozens of posts over multiple threads arguing with complete strangers about the merits of cameras with two slots. If the issue is trivial, why invest so much energy into arguing about it?
I've stated clearly: If you MUST have two slots, buy something else. Pretty fair and clear, no? But stop pretending that a single slot ruins the usability of a camera. That's absurd.
Okay, I redact that comment.
Okay.
Rob
It doesnt matter if it was the card, or the slot, or the camera, or even the user. The point is, people have had corrupted images on their XQD card. If they didnt have a second slot, they wouldnt have usable images.
People here want to rationalize that single XQD cards by suggesting that they are impervious to corruption problems. They simply are not.
ALSO, many of the posts you quoted are not from the Original posters of their issues. IE people saying the fix was something on their D800(which dont have XQD slots), are not the posters complaining about their XQD issues.
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New Day Rising
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Ummm, no. I'm not. You have caught me into your little trap of now having to argue with you about the fact that I am not arguing with you. I feel like I've stumbled into a Monty Python sketch.You are. Right now.I am not arguing about it at all.Hmmm. Why are YOU arguing about it?Good for them. And good for you for having so many wealthy friends.LOL! If I happened to be "insecure" I'd be telling you much more. The fallacy of questioning my successful work practices is what the post is all about. To some of my friends, that sailboat is a "starter yacht."It really is SO sad that you felt the need to tell everyone that. All that money and still insecure. Sad.--I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
Yeah, you should sell your Nikon stuff. It's really much worse than Sony!
You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.
Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it. But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you?
It's hilarious, all this hysteria. I was recently on a set and some guy with a Canon is trying to explain to me how I might like Canon better. Meanwhile my day rate is 10 times what he makes. I think you'd be well served by letting people work the way THEY WANT. You're in no position to do otherwise.
Sorry, but go find my 500 complaints about Sony card slots. BZZZZZZT! You lose again. My main complaint for Sony has been the same...lousy handling and build. They're excellent cameras that I don't care for. Do you see me posting about it in the Canon forums? NO. Do we have Sony people here bashing Nikon? Yup. Kinda obvious what the deal is.
Okay, so you can buy into that and avoid all single slot cameras. Great! So....BYE!I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
LOL. Here we go again. My "questionable work practices" allow me to be currently shopping for a new Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 sailing yacht. I'll pay cash.
"We need a bigger boat."
Yet still you feel the need to make literally dozens of posts over multiple threads arguing with complete strangers about the merits of cameras with two slots. If the issue is trivial, why invest so much energy into arguing about it?
How do you get from "I have no strong view on whether one XQD or two SD card slots is better - different people have different needs and preferences" to "If you MUST have two slots..."?
I have never said that a single slot ruins the usability of a camera. At all. I have never said anything like it.
You seem to have gotten yourself so caught up in arguing that you are know seeing arguments where they don't exist.
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MrHollywood
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Did you want the 5 dollar argument or the 10?Ummm, no. I'm not. You have caught me into your little trap of now having to argue with you about the fact that I am not arguing with you. I feel like I've stumbled into a Monty Python sketch.You are. Right now.I am not arguing about it at all.Hmmm. Why are YOU arguing about it?Good for them. And good for you for having so many wealthy friends.LOL! If I happened to be "insecure" I'd be telling you much more. The fallacy of questioning my successful work practices is what the post is all about. To some of my friends, that sailboat is a "starter yacht."It really is SO sad that you felt the need to tell everyone that. All that money and still insecure. Sad.--I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
Yeah, you should sell your Nikon stuff. It's really much worse than Sony!
You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.
Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it. But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you?
It's hilarious, all this hysteria. I was recently on a set and some guy with a Canon is trying to explain to me how I might like Canon better. Meanwhile my day rate is 10 times what he makes. I think you'd be well served by letting people work the way THEY WANT. You're in no position to do otherwise.
Sorry, but go find my 500 complaints about Sony card slots. BZZZZZZT! You lose again. My main complaint for Sony has been the same...lousy handling and build. They're excellent cameras that I don't care for. Do you see me posting about it in the Canon forums? NO. Do we have Sony people here bashing Nikon? Yup. Kinda obvious what the deal is.
Okay, so you can buy into that and avoid all single slot cameras. Great! So....BYE!I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
LOL. Here we go again. My "questionable work practices" allow me to be currently shopping for a new Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 sailing yacht. I'll pay cash.
"We need a bigger boat."
Yet still you feel the need to make literally dozens of posts over multiple threads arguing with complete strangers about the merits of cameras with two slots. If the issue is trivial, why invest so much energy into arguing about it?
From Thom Hogan...
"I keep reading "pros require two slots." I'm a pro, I don't require it. Do I prefer two slots? Absolutely. But I don't see one slot as a huge drawback, particularly for an XQD camera, where card failures are extremely rare (no cheap body to break, no sloppy protect pin, no pins to bend)"
So that'll be the 10 dollar argument?
Rob
Hilifer
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Having two slots is only redundancy if you are mirroring. Otherwise, it’s the same as having one slot and a backup card in your pocket. Anyway, until you can accurately quantify the probability values, and define “better” in that context, you’re just begging the question. It’s like saying two heads are better than one (which, of course, depends in great part on whose heads we’re talking about).
Laslo Varadi
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you mean Mr. Hollywood who keeps posting this nonsense and no data.
And why would I have the backup card in my pocket when I have 2 slots?
Hilifer
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True also, but there is now an alternative with better ergonomics, weather sealing, etc. I think people are making too much of this. Important for some, yes, for all, no.
i haven't had a flat tire in a very long time. Should i throw out my spare tire to make room in my trunk?
As for XQD reliability I had a new one crap out during a historic assignment in Nov 2016. Luckily I was just testing it before the assignment when I got the card error. Went back to BH next day and got a refund. Lexar 64gb card.
As for XQD reliability I had a new one crap out during a historic assignment in Nov 2016. Luckily I was just testing it before the assignment when I got the card error. Went back to BH next day and got a refund. Lexar 64gb card.
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Hilifer
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Why not, if you have AAA?
For the record, a spare tire is no more than a convenience; it offers zero contribution to driving safety.I have no expert knowledge of the reliability of either the XQD or SD cards. That said, in 15+ years shooting Nikon DSLRs, including pro and prosumer, I’ve never had a card (or camera) fail. I did have a camera stolen from my vehicle in the Andes (along with its single card), but I had a point and shoot in my pocket which I promoted to an unexpected backup.
I’m glad to hear that you practice safe shooting and tested your gear before an important assignment.
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MrHollywood
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Throw it out to save weight, like several excellent sports cars sold today.
Lucky...sort of.
Rob
In another thread, someone mentioned a hope that Nikon could one day add a second card slot via battery grip... This made me really wonder if that's a possibility. Afterall, we've seen wifi grips for certain models in past.
Is this something that Nikon could do? Here's hoping, even if it's long shot.
Is this something that Nikon could do? Here's hoping, even if it's long shot.
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