1 XQD is better than...

The worst thing I can do is use the SD slot in my D850.

Rob
Absolutely true. There is nothing worse that you can do can do than use the backup feature of a secondary card slot. I made a list, spent a couple hours going through it, that was definitely the worst thing you can do with a D850.

I hope you're not a shooting professional, going on paid client jobs, never expecting a card failure.
LOL. I never once used a backup card. I better send all the money back!

Please get over it. Don't worry so much about how others work and just worry about yourself. And try not to dictate hysterical worries to people who know better and have been doing this for many years.

PS: I'm NEVER expecting a card failure or a lost photo. And after owning something along the lines of 50 digital cameras including Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Ricoh, Sony, Pentax and yes...even Casio...I think I know what I'm doing.

You know who also doesn't need your help? Nikon.

Rob
 
I had two lexar xqd fail in d500’s.
It's interesting that whenever someone says they had an XQD issue, it's often with a D500.

How much work did you lose?

Rob
 
One XQD slot is better than 2 SD slots. PERIOD. You're more likely to have TWO SD card failures in the Sony than a single XQD failure in the Nikon.
No one on this forum -- not a single one -- has the slightest bit of data to support anything on this subject.

Greg.
 
I had two lexar xqd fail in d500’s.
It's interesting that whenever someone says they had an XQD issue, it's often with a D500.

How much work did you lose?

Rob
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4249822
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4256663
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4023375
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4052413
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4000165
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3234361
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4132713


I cant believe these trolls made these XQD failure posts before the Z6 and Z7 was even a rumor....... just waiting for the day that Nikon would put one XQD card slot in their mirrorless camera's.

Seriously, its not hard to find XQD failures or XQD corruption examples.
 
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Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
I think it's brand loyalty clouding some people's judgement.

I'll happily admit Sony has it's fault, just like every other brand - including the Z6/Z7. To try and argue the single card slot isn't one of it's faults is just ridiculous.
Agreed. I also think people are trying to justify their decision... if they want to buy a Z6/Z7, they must rationalise that the single card slot is not a problem, apparently.
No rationalizing required because I RATIONALLY understand that it's such a tiny issue.
A tiny issue, but you have now devoted literally dozens of posts over multiple threads to arguing about it!!
 
The worst thing I can do is use the SD slot in my D850.

Rob
Absolutely true. There is nothing worse that you can do can do than use the backup feature of a secondary card slot. I made a list, spent a couple hours going through it, that was definitely the worst thing you can do with a D850.

I hope you're not a shooting professional, going on paid client jobs, never expecting a card failure.
LOL. I never once used a backup card. I better send all the money back!

Please get over it. Don't worry so much about how others work and just worry about yourself.
Says the man who has spent literally dozens of posts over multiple threads arguing with others about how they work and trying to convince them their preferences are invalid.
And try not to dictate hysterical worries to people who know better and have been doing this for many years.

PS: I'm NEVER expecting a card failure or a lost photo. And after owning something along the lines of 50 digital cameras including Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Ricoh, Sony, Pentax and yes...even Casio...I think I know what I'm doing.

You know who also doesn't need your help? Nikon.
They don't need yours either!
 
I don't take issue with and even agree that two slots are always better than one.
It's common sense.
But in some cameras that is just not as easy to accomplish like the Leica M10 so you have to weigh it out.
Indeed "you have to weigh it out", totally agree.
What I *do* take issue with is you or some other forum member inferring that I am less of a pro
Who meant anything of the sort and where ?
because I chose a different tool for a job I deem that tool perfect for. I don't do weddings, never will and thankfully don't have to. I mentor young photographers, I give them the advice that if you can, select a camera like the D750 as a sole body since it has two slots. You see?? I actually agree with you!
Again that's common sense.
What I don't agree with is the broad stroked and HIGHLY assumptive and uniformed brush that the Z series cameras are unsuitable cameras for pro use because of one slot being a "Deal Breaker".
My post never stated that Z series camera are unsuitable for pro use. Only not suitable for pictures of one in a lifetime events, like a wedding.
Since most of this hot air is coming from amateurs using these broad stroked brushes to say what pros use and why, well that is really the only reason I am posting here. They are highly uninformed and full of it.
Not sure what it is I wrote that made you upset. There was no offense intended in my message. But if I have worded my post clumsily and it lead to the wrong interpretation I apologize.
 
I don't take issue with and even agree that two slots are always better than one.
It's common sense.
LOL

But in some cameras that is just not as easy to accomplish like the Leica M10 so you have to weigh it out.
Indeed "you have to weigh it out", totally agree.
And if it weighs in favor of the Z6, that's a giant issue for those who need to be right, even when they're wrong.

What I *do* take issue with is you or some other forum member inferring that I am less of a pro
Who meant anything of the sort and where ?
because I chose a different tool for a job I deem that tool perfect for. I don't do weddings, never will and thankfully don't have to. I mentor young photographers, I give them the advice that if you can, select a camera like the D750 as a sole body since it has two slots. You see?? I actually agree with you!
Again that's common sense.
What I don't agree with is the broad stroked and HIGHLY assumptive and uniformed brush that the Z series cameras are unsuitable cameras for pro use because of one slot being a "Deal Breaker".
My post never stated that Z series camera are unsuitable for pro use. Only not suitable for pictures of one in a lifetime events, like a wedding.
Got that, everyone? All single slot cameras (which is MOST cameras) are unsuitable for lifetime events.

I just don't how people type these things and don't say,"Hey, that's really not true and I probably should probably take some photography classes."

Since most of this hot air is coming from amateurs using these broad stroked brushes to say what pros use and why, well that is really the only reason I am posting here. They are highly uninformed and full of it.
Not sure what it is I wrote that made you upset. There was no offense intended in my message. But if I have worded my post clumsily and it lead to the wrong interpretation I apologize.
Oh good lord. Maybe you missed the statement about hot air. Maybe you forgot that zillions of lifetime events were shot yesterday with single slot cameras. Maybe you forgot that you should stop trying to make everyone think like you do.

Don't buy the Nikon mirrorless. PLEASE. And that's it. What else is there to discuss or do you need to berate everyone who will buy one or see a good use for it?

Wow.

Rob
 
So, if they failed at the same rate as SD cards you’d basically never hear about it.

There is an order of magnitude greater numbers of SD cards in circulation of varying price and quality.
 
You mean the wrong tool that screwed up shooting a sailboat race when a A7rIII got splashed aboard our boat? Or do you mean the wrong tool when my friend's Sony fried on a hot day? The same guy also had a Canon go south, so wrong tool again. No cards went bad, so clearly avoiding Canon and Sony is the key to responsible shooting
I can find gazillions of threads in this forum alone where people narrates their misfortunes with a Nikon camera that got damaged by water. As for the Sony it should have shut down before becoming too hot. So it had a defect. Again I can find tons of threads about Nikon cameras which turned out defective.

A very few anecdotal stories prove nothing. They don't prove that Sony or Canon are less or more prone to failures. The fact is all manufacturers have failures. Goggle blinking green light of death and see how many cameras failed with that very same catastrophic failure and … oh,wait … these were all Nikon cameras. It was so bad that Nikon had to issue a service advisory for the D70.
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You can scream hysterically about two cards for the rest of your life, dude. I don't care. Most people who do care, only care because of the hysteria,
You only call it hysteria because it is a negative comment about a Nikon camera. If the Sony cameras were the one without the dual card slot you'd be writing pros will never use a Sony camera because it does not have that feature.
not from any real knowledge or experience.
I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company :-)
No amount of liability insurance would make for the loss. And negligence in handling a customer's images is negligence, regardless of the insurance.
Good lord. Such drama. My friends have shot thousands of events. No one's lost images or even film...what are you ON about?
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
BTW, I'm about to start working on my film shortly...using Arri cameras. No backup on those either.
And you would not consider another camera if a competitor offered a back up feature ? If so you have questionable work practices.
But you know that. Indeed you're saying it yourself: you have two back-up photogs (not just one!) if something goes wrong. So in fact you do take precautions against the remote chance of lost data. Does it matter if the images you give to the customer comes from your memory card or from your assistant. No, of course, it does not, as long as you don't come to that customer empty handed.
I don't shoot weddings. But my friends hire for COVERAGE, not backup. So silly. My friend recently shot a wedding that was on three floors of a building and required a lot of coverage. In spite of the blind terror of imminent card failure, it went pretty well.
Even when the risks are small they is no reason to take a chance. Many wedding photographers have not had a camera failure and yet they take precautions, including bringing with them a back-up camera. That's because anecdotical stories like the story you tell above proves nothing.
 
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I had two lexar xqd fail in d500’s.
It's interesting that whenever someone says they had an XQD issue, it's often with a D500.

How much work did you lose?

Rob
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4249822
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4256663
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4023375
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4052413
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4000165
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3234361https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4132713

I cant believe these trolls made these XQD failure posts before the Z6 and Z7 was even a rumor....... just waiting for the day that Nikon would put one XQD card slot in their mirrorless camera's.
Seriously, its not hard to find XQD failures or XQD corruption examples.
This thread, along with every other thread justifying the 1 XQD card slot, should've ended right here.

Nikon dropped the ball. For the Z7 atleast, because I can understand this for the Z6 at their aggressive spec/price range.

The other thing, which I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, is that the card door also acts as the thumb rest and I have concerns over the longevity of the hinge or mechanism being placed under constant pressure.
 
You mean the wrong tool that screwed up shooting a sailboat race when a A7rIII got splashed aboard our boat? Or do you mean the wrong tool when my friend's Sony fried on a hot day? The same guy also had a Canon go south, so wrong tool again. No cards went bad, so clearly avoiding Canon and Sony is the key to responsible shooting
I can find gazillions of threads in this forum alone where people narrates their misfortunes with a Nikon camera that got damaged by water. As for the Sony it should have shut down before becoming too hot. So it had a defect. Again I can find tons of threads about Nikon cameras which turned out defective.
I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
A very few anecdotal stories prove nothing. They don't prove that Sony or Canon are less or more prone to failures. The fact is all manufacturers have failures. Goggle blinking green light of death and see how many cameras failed with that very same catastrophic failure and … oh,wait … these were all Nikon cameras. It was so bad that Nikon had to issue a service advisory for the D70.
Yeah, you should sell your Nikon stuff. It's really much worse than Sony!

You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.

Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it. But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you?

It's hilarious, all this hysteria. I was recently on a set and some guy with a Canon is trying to explain to me how I might like Canon better. Meanwhile my day rate is 10 times what he makes. I think you'd be well served by letting people work the way THEY WANT. You're in no position to do otherwise.
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You can scream hysterically about two cards for the rest of your life, dude. I don't care. Most people who do care, only care because of the hysteria,
You only call it hysteria because it is a negative comment about a Nikon camera. If the Sony cameras were the one without the dual card slot you'd be writing pros will never use a Sony camera because it does not have that feature.
Sorry, but go find my 500 complaints about Sony card slots. BZZZZZZT! You lose again. My main complaint for Sony has been the same...lousy handling and build. They're excellent cameras that I don't care for. Do you see me posting about it in the Canon forums? NO. Do we have Sony people here bashing Nikon? Yup. Kinda obvious what the deal is.
not from any real knowledge or experience.
I take no offense: everybody who disagrees with you - is, in your words, "hysteric", and has "no real knowledge and experience". That's easily 90% of the members of this forum so at least I am in good company :-)
No amount of liability insurance would make for the loss. And negligence in handling a customer's images is negligence, regardless of the insurance.
Good lord. Such drama. My friends have shot thousands of events. No one's lost images or even film...what are you ON about?
There are enough reports of XQD failures - as others have shown you - therefore there is no reason to take the chance of losing data by using a camera without the dual slot feature. Failures are not common but not rare either, just like everything with electronics.
Okay, so you can buy into that and avoid all single slot cameras. Great! So....BYE!
BTW, I'm about to start working on my film shortly...using Arri cameras. No backup on those either.
And you would not consider another camera if a competitor offered a back up feature ? If so you have questionable work practices.
LOL. Here we go again. My "questionable work practices" allow me to be currently shopping for a new Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 sailing yacht. I'll pay cash.

Don't you think that I've done okay? Let me know when those double slots pay off for you. And by the way....with a D850 and Z6 in my bag, I'll have a backup camera AND an extra slot!
But you know that. Indeed you're saying it yourself: you have two back-up photogs (not just one!) if something goes wrong. So in fact you do take precautions against the remote chance of lost data. Does it matter if the images you give to the customer comes from your memory card or from your assistant. No, of course, it does not, as long as you don't come to that customer empty handed.
I don't shoot weddings. But my friends hire for COVERAGE, not backup. So silly. My friend recently shot a wedding that was on three floors of a building and required a lot of coverage. In spite of the blind terror of imminent card failure, it went pretty well.
Even when the risks are small they is no reason to take a chance. Many wedding photographers have not had a camera failure and yet they take precautions, including bringing with them a back-up camera. That's because anecdotical stories like the story you tell above proves nothing.
You really have me shaking in my boots, dude! My stories prove nothing. Your stories prove everything.

So...what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it? How is that an issue for you? Why not leave happy Nikon shooters and successful pros alone???

Hmmmm?

Wanna see the new yacht? It has TWO wheels! ;-)

Rob
 
My post never stated that Z series camera are unsuitable for pro use. Only not suitable for pictures of one in a lifetime events, like a wedding.
Got that, everyone? All single slot cameras (which is MOST cameras) are unsuitable for lifetime events.
Most cameras indeed are smartphones, point and shoot, low end dSLRs, and I would not use them for lifetime events. But to each his own.

Additionally you take my comments out of context - as usual. What I've meant is that if buying today a camera for shooting lifetime events in a world that offers choices, some with dual slot cameras and the Z6 / Z7 without it, the choice should be for a camera with a dual slotted camera.
Oh good lord. Maybe you missed the statement about hot air. Maybe you forgot that zillions of lifetime events were shot yesterday with single slot cameras.
Strangely enough Thom Hogan in his comparison of the Z6/7 against the A7R3 states the lack of a dual card capability is a minus for the Z6 / Z7. He must know nothing about cameras :-D .

I think if I were to take a photography class as you suggest I would take one of his classes :-D .
Maybe you forgot that you should stop trying to make everyone think like you do.
We have that in common then :-D
Don't buy the Nikon mirrorless. PLEASE. And that's it.
No, sorry. I'll buy it if it is of interest to me. In the meantime I'll continue to discuss the pros and cons.
What else is there to discuss or do you need to berate everyone who will buy one or see a good use for it?
Where did I "berate" anyone who will buy one?

Thierry - posted as regular forum member
 
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I know EXACTLY what happened to the Sony now. But I'm not a troll and I'll just say I'm not EVER buying a A7rIII. It's well documented that the Nikon pro bodies are better sealed and tougher than Sony's, so what are you on about now?
It's also well documented that all cameras from any manufacturer fail sometimes.
You like to draw a false equivalency between your berating cameras and buyers and my optimistic views on a camera NONE OF US HAVE SEEN TESTED.
We need to test it to know that it has one slot for a memory card and only one ? Nope, we only need to read the specs provided by Nikon.

However you claim in another thread that it is a "home run". I wonder how anybody can come up with the conclusion that it is a "home run" without testing it.

Incidentally, how do you know that Nikon's ML cameras are tougher than Sony's? Let me guess : you have no idea, just like the "home run".
Someone just posted a clip showing how a Z body does video. Looks pretty dang amazing. If the card issue is so huge for your "pro" work, then don't buy it.
Never claimed to do any pro work, again you are putting words in my writing that are not there

As for discussing the camera it is your right to look uniquely at the positives and it is my right to consider both the + and -.

Regarding whether I'll buy a Nikon ML camera this is none of your business. Did I ask for your permission to buy a D850? Nope, Same here.
But what's your end-game in bothering pros who can make profitable use of it?
Not bothering anybody but those who want to be bothered.. What is your end game in trying to bully people in ignoring the blatant mistake that Nikon made ?
How is that an issue for you?
It's hilarious, all this hysteria.
You should re-read your messages. Maybe my post are hysterical but I am in good company :-D

Enjoy the new boat (now why is this brought here I have no idea).
 
I had two lexar xqd fail in d500’s.
It's interesting that whenever someone says they had an XQD issue, it's often with a D500.

How much work did you lose?

Rob
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4249822
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4256663
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4023375
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4052413
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4000165
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3234361
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4132713

I cant believe these trolls made these XQD failure posts before the Z6 and Z7 was even a rumor....... just waiting for the day that Nikon would put one XQD card slot in their mirrorless camera's.
Seriously, its not hard to find XQD failures or XQD corruption examples.
I had a look at a few of those threads.
  • "UPDATE: So I sent my camera in and Nikon has replaced the image control printed circuit board. Should have it back Thursday."
  • "Changing card reader solved this problem for me on my D800."
  • "I had similar images with my D2X when it was brand new, in a city long long ago and far far away. I sent it in and Nikon gave the diagnosis faulty JPEG compression board."
  • "I've had similar looking pictures with my D800. Turned out to be the USB3 connection to my PC."
  • "After all the trials and formatting the card with the Image Rescue 5 the card is working properly. The Sony card was working all the time and sure I tried the Lexar in different card bays but nothing helped. Right now the card is working properly... Still a little confused" (i.e. operator error)
  • "I reported the same issue on this forum about a month ago. I had a Sony XQD and Sony card reader. I had color banding on 1 or 2 shots out of 1,000. No banding when viewed in camera. I swapped my card reader and have shot 10,000 frames since. No further instances of color banding." (ie card reader problem)
  • "Thom Hogan reports similar failures. The key is the LEXAR SD card, alone or with XQD. Shooting XQD-only eradicates the problem at its root." (Whoops, don't tell me 2-slot cameras are causing more card issues than one slot!)
Others from that list were completely inconclusive about cause, about whether images were lost or irretrievable, about pretty well anything except they had a problem uploading to their PC.

So, you're the one trolling by posting irrelevant threads, right? But you should be pleased, it's working. @Barple, for instance thought you had provided the definitive contribution. Now he should know better than to trust you!
 
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I had two lexar xqd fail in d500’s.
It's interesting that whenever someone says they had an XQD issue, it's often with a D500.

How much work did you lose?

Rob
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4249822
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4256663
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4023375
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4052413
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4000165
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3234361
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4132713

I cant believe these trolls made these XQD failure posts before the Z6 and Z7 was even a rumor....... just waiting for the day that Nikon would put one XQD card slot in their mirrorless camera's.
Seriously, its not hard to find XQD failures or XQD corruption examples.
I had a look at a few of those threads.
  • "UPDATE: So I sent my camera in and Nikon has replaced the image control printed circuit board. Should have it back Thursday."
  • "Changing card reader solved this problem for me on my D800."
  • "I had similar images with my D2X when it was brand new, in a city long long ago and far far away. I sent it in and Nikon gave the diagnosis faulty JPEG compression board."
  • "I've had similar looking pictures with my D800. Turned out to be the USB3 connection to my PC."
  • "After all the trials and formatting the card with the Image Rescue 5 the card is working properly. The Sony card was working all the time and sure I tried the Lexar in different card bays but nothing helped. Right now the card is working properly... Still a little confused" (i.e. operator error)
  • "I reported the same issue on this forum about a month ago. I had a Sony XQD and Sony card reader. I had color banding on 1 or 2 shots out of 1,000. No banding when viewed in camera. I swapped my card reader and have shot 10,000 frames since. No further instances of color banding." (ie card reader problem)
  • "Thom Hogan reports similar failures. The key is the LEXAR SD card, alone or with XQD. Shooting XQD-only eradicates the problem at its root." (Whoops, don't tell me 2-slot cameras are causing more card issues than one slot!)
Others from that list were completely inconclusive about cause, about whether images were lost or irretrievable, about pretty well anything except they had a problem uploading to their PC.

So, you're the one trolling by posting irrelevant threads, right? But you should be pleased, it's working. @Barple, for instance thought you had provided the definitive contribution. Now he should know better than to trust you!
Nice job of debunking!

There is a lot of emotion out there over this.

Take 'card recovery software'. This software primarily exists to assist in recovering accidentally lost (erased) data. Most of us, including myself, have had finger troubles and deleted images we wished to keep. This software is very good at data recovery on a working card. To my knowledge, this software cannot repair a hardware failure on a data card. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Anyway, lets look at the glass half full. What an opportunity for a third party simultaneous external card writer to attach to the Z series. Please make sure that they are stackable so that there can be many simultaneous back-ups for the really nervous :-)

Disclosure: I have never had a card fail nor do I know of anyone who has had a card fail. And that goes all the way back to my first Sony Memory Stiks in kilobyte sizes!

Cheers, Andrew
 
Lets keep it simple.

You either need to use a second card as back up at the shooting stage, or you do not.

If you do need second card back-up then wait for a Z mount body with 2 cards, likely in time for the 2020 Olympics.

If you do need card backup you ideally need a second body in case the first camera develops a fault not caused by a card.

If you only use the second slot as overflow (I do) then you should know from the top screen when you need to insert a new card on a single slot body.

Waterproof shock resistant multi card holders are often under $10.

I prefer the trade offs of up to 3 stops VR equivalent with lenses without VR, etc, etc, etc to the lack of a second card slot.

XQD seem to be the most reliable type of card currently available.
 
1 slot = smaller camera and longer battery life.
Removing all airbags and seat belts from a car also makes it lighter and run longer on a tank of fuel.

Priorities?
 
Removing all airbags and seat belts from a car also makes it lighter and run longer on a tank of fuel.

Priorities?
Yes - carrying a tiny puncture repair outfit when riding my pedal cycle rather than attaching a spare wheel ;-)

A repair outfit is enough for most cyclists, just as a spare card in a pocket is enough for most photographers.
 

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