EOS3D confirmed for September

Peter Phan · May 4, 2003

I am so pleased with this news. I have long considered the 1.3x format to be the ideal sized sensor for digital. It's the perfect compromise for maintaining wide angle perspective as well as still getting telephoto "magnification". It still gives you a good sized viewfinder image. It allows the autofocus sensor array to cover more of the viewfinder. And it isn't as expensive as full frame. Major kudos to Canon!!!

I agree that I doubt it will be called EOS 3D. I thought the naming scheme was going to be 1Ds> 1D> ?> 10D> 100D. My theory was that there was eventually going to be a 1Dn what was going to replace the 1D, but I don't know what a digital EOS 3 variant would be called.

Paul Pope said:
Was talking with my Canon source today at the Photoimaging
conference in Melbourne.

Can confirm to you that the EOS 3D is on schedule for a September
release.

Before you all ask a few things I DON'T know...

1) I don't know how many MP it will have but its more then the 10D

2) I don't know if its full frame or 1.3 but its one of the two not
1.6
A few things I do know
1) It will be released at the same time as a updated EOS 3 type
film camera
and it will be CMOS based
2) The name EOS 3 is not nessesarily going to be used but the
camera will slot in between the 1D and the 10D in price and feature
set.

A few other little things ....updated 1D due around the same time
with possibly the worlds first interleaved CMOS processor.
10D focusing issue is considered by Canon Japan to be a non issue
(I agree)
Totaly new injet Photo printing system due to be released before
end of year with 4800x4800 dpi and 8 more then 6 colors(never heard
of this mbefore myself?).
A few other things ...
The Kodak 14n is a joke ...the samples they had were awful and they
knew it ...
The Olydak 4/3 is a E-20 with a grip and a detatchable lens
..nothing much to write home about
Sigma lenses are noisy ...really noisy even their HSM which is
supposed to be like USM sounded really loud.

The new Sinar digital backs are really really really nice ....

Nikon had absolutly nothing to report ...no word on any D1x/H
update (these things are now older then Rome in digital camera
years)

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'Stop it now or you will go blind'

Phil Nicholls · May 4, 2003

That's a shame. I have dealt with B & H a few times on my frequent visits to NYC and would have no qualms about buying from them and paying duty/tax etc. on my return to the UK.

ATB,

Phil

DavidP said:
Other dealers will start a waiting list, I'm sure. But probably
only about a month before deliveries, if that early.

Phil Nicholls said:

Not as far as I know, but does anyone know how long in advance
they'll accept orders? I really need to be near the front of the
queue for this one as a new arrival to the family should be here in
October and this is an ideal way of justifying the purchase to the
nearest and dearest. I'm quite prepared to drop them a grand or two
as a deposit against a model with these specs.

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David Birkin · May 4, 2003

DavidP said:
The EOS-3 had a vertical grip for it, too.

I don't know why it couldn't use the same grip as the other bodies,
unless they just can't design a 1.3x chip inside a body that size.

If they're looking for upgraders, keeping BG-ED3 compatability
would be a good thing.

just because....don't argue.

Adam-T · May 4, 2003

DavidP #28649 said:
The EOS-3 had a vertical grip for it, too.

yeah but it didn't flex like the BG-ED3 does .. it was great compared to the jokes the ELANs had but not of EOS3 quality..

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Peter Phan · May 4, 2003

The EOS 3 has long been considered one of the louder bodies in the Canon stable, with a distinctly prominent mirror and shutter clack . If they could quiet that down significantly, as well as maybe giving it a swanky molded magnesium body, a viewfinder diopter, and an integrated viewfinder blind, I think there might still be a place for a new EOS 3.

Mickj said:
Rune Moberg said:

Mickj said:

I'm a bit surprised that they're updating the EOS 3.

The only improvement I can see, is maybe making it more quiet, and
possibly improving the weather proofing.

If I were to upgrade from my EOS 3, which camera would I
pick??.......I guess it depends on price.

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I don't see why you would want to upgrade your film based body at all?

Canon here in Norway increased the price of the 1V compared to last
year. I suspect they want people to buy the [updated] EOS 3 rather
than the 1V. Existing EOS 3 users are perhaps expected to stick
with their current EOS 3 or go digital, rather than forking out
extra dosh for the 1V.

--
Rune, http://runesbike.com/

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Will Perlis · May 4, 2003

I had one of each at the same time last year. I never could detect a difference, tho' as has been mentioned, the 1v has a faster processor.

I'd like Canon to come out with a better method of picking a desired AF sensor, but absent that the 45 point AF system on full auto select is still great. I choose between that and one center point depending on what's going on.

Rune Moberg said:
Paul Pope said:

1) It will be released at the same time as a updated EOS 3 type
film camera
and it will be CMOS based
2) The name EOS 3 is not nessesarily going to be used but the
camera will slot in between the 1D and the 10D in price and feature
set.

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I.e. we're led to believe/hope that the "3D" (I hope they won't
stick with that moniker) will be similar to the updated EOS 3?

How does EOS 3's AF system compare to 1V/1D? They all have 45 AF
points, but how about AI Servo performance? What improvements did
they hint were in store for the new EOS 3?

(Incidentally: Have the 1V become more expensive this year in
Australia as well? Over here the price went up slightly this year)

Rune Moberg said:

A few other little things ....updated 1D due around the same time
with possibly the worlds first interleaved CMOS processor.

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Hmm... IIRC, an interleaved CCD allowed digicam manufacturers to
gain a fast shutter speed by halving the resolution? Or put
differently: What the hull is an interleaved CMOS? ;-) (Perhaps a
way to achieve 1D like shutter speeds with a CMOS?)

Rune Moberg said:

Nikon had absolutly nothing to report ...no word on any D1x/H
update (these things are now older then Rome in digital camera
years)

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Bah, they'll release something next month! I'm sure of it!
Besides, the colour saturation is much better anyway! hehehe

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Petteri Sulonen · May 4, 2003

Michael Chamberlin said:
With a new camera in the lineup, what will happen to the 10D? Will
the price drop?

I'm wondering because I'm planning on purchasing the 10D in June.
Now, do I wait and buy the 10D in September, or even forego the 10D
and buy the new camera?

Thoughts? This is becoming worse than buying computers --- or I
should say "better." New advancements and lower prices!

When do I step into the mix?

It is like computers. Any time is a bad time to buy, only some times are worse than others -- such as happening to buy an outgoing model the week before the replacement is announced. The DSLR competition is heating up, with the Pentax *ist D aiming to undercut the 10D (unless they're utterly insane), the Fuji S3 in the rumors, now the 3D, rumblings even from Minolta... and despite the official silence, Nikon is surely not going to lie down and take it.

Historically, DSLR prices have held up pretty well for the lifetime of the model -- between 1 and 3 years... but I think the main thing is:

1. A DSLR is a pretty hefty investment (for most of us). I don't think we buy with the intention of switching within the year.

2. The D30 and its generation is about two and half years old. Seems like an eternity, but it's a short time. It's still a perfectly good camera -- in practice, 90% as good as the newest DSLR's, certain specific uses (like very big enlargements) aside. I don't expect the 10D to look any worse than that two and a half years from now, but...

3. ...two and a half years from now, something will be on the market that costs less than the 10D now, and delivers significantly more.

This, IMO, makes agonizing about the price rather moot. No matter when you buy, the price will drop. If you intend to keep the camera long enough to let the abrupt drops average out (you know, the ones caused after the initial rush is over, after a competitor undercuts the price, or after a competing model is announced), the depreciation will be pretty steady.

If there's something on the market now that delivers what you want, and you can afford it, spring for it and start taking pictures -- and stop looking at the current market price; it won't save you any money, it won't improve your photography, and it'll only give you a bellyache.

Just my nickle's worth,

Petteri
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Kjeld Olesen · May 4, 2003

... only compromises.

The best compromise depends on who is judging - for me it will be 1x, that is when not considering camera cost.

--
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http://www.acapixus.dk

DavidP #28649 · May 4, 2003

If you shoot lenses wide-open most of the time, the 1.3x is the perfect sensor size, to me.

Gets rid of those nasty edge effects at large apertures, and keeps the cost down, too.

Peter Phan said:
I am so pleased with this news. I have long considered the 1.3x
format to be the ideal sized sensor for digital. It's the perfect
compromise for maintaining wide angle perspective as well as still
getting telephoto "magnification". It still gives you a good sized
viewfinder image. It allows the autofocus sensor array to cover
more of the viewfinder. And it isn't as expensive as full frame.
Major kudos to Canon!!!

I agree that I doubt it will be called EOS 3D. I thought the
naming scheme was going to be 1Ds> 1D> ?> 10D> 100D. My theory was
that there was eventually going to be a 1Dn what was going to
replace the 1D, but I don't know what a digital EOS 3 variant would
be called.

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

DavidP #28649 · May 4, 2003

I agree about the coverage of the 45-pt AF, too. It's sooooo much better on the 1D than on a 1v or 1Ds.

The right-most point is actually USABLE in portrait mode on the 1D. Not so on the 1Ds, IMO. Unless you like to shoot really wide, that is. If you like to zoom in close like me, the 1D is much better in this regard.

Peter Phan said:
I agree that I doubt it will be called EOS 3D. I thought the
naming scheme was going to be 1Ds> 1D> ?> 10D> 100D. My theory was
that there was eventually going to be a 1Dn what was going to
replace the 1D, but I don't know what a digital EOS 3 variant would
be called.

Paul Pope said:

Was talking with my Canon source today at the Photoimaging
conference in Melbourne.

Can confirm to you that the EOS 3D is on schedule for a September
release.

Before you all ask a few things I DON'T know...

1) I don't know how many MP it will have but its more then the 10D

2) I don't know if its full frame or 1.3 but its one of the two not
1.6
A few things I do know
1) It will be released at the same time as a updated EOS 3 type
film camera
and it will be CMOS based
2) The name EOS 3 is not nessesarily going to be used but the
camera will slot in between the 1D and the 10D in price and feature
set.

A few other little things ....updated 1D due around the same time
with possibly the worlds first interleaved CMOS processor.
10D focusing issue is considered by Canon Japan to be a non issue
(I agree)
Totaly new injet Photo printing system due to be released before
end of year with 4800x4800 dpi and 8 more then 6 colors(never heard
of this mbefore myself?).
A few other things ...
The Kodak 14n is a joke ...the samples they had were awful and they
knew it ...
The Olydak 4/3 is a E-20 with a grip and a detatchable lens
..nothing much to write home about
Sigma lenses are noisy ...really noisy even their HSM which is
supposed to be like USM sounded really loud.

The new Sinar digital backs are really really really nice ....

Nikon had absolutly nothing to report ...no word on any D1x/H
update (these things are now older then Rome in digital camera
years)

--
'Stop it now or you will go blind'

Click to expand...

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Peter Phan · May 4, 2003

Kjeld Olesen said:
that is when not considering camera cost.

I was saying 1.3x was ideal in that it is the best compromise between cost, crop, viewfinder image, etc. Hey, if money is no object, you could just buy anything you wanted and have no compromises, right?

Kjeld Olesen said:
... only compromises.

The best compromise depends on who is judging - for me it will be
1x, that is when not considering camera cost.

--
Kjeld Olesen
http://www.acapixus.dk

DavidP #28649 · May 4, 2003

JMHO, but the only reason the EOS-3 had a different grip than the consumer bodies was that it also incorporated a power winder for greater FPS.

With digital, this isn't needed at all.

So, my money is on the EOS-3D + BG-ED3.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

The EOS-3 had a vertical grip for it, too.

Click to expand...

yeah but it didn't flex like the BG-ED3 does .. it was great
compared to the jokes the ELANs had but not of EOS3 quality..

--
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

JavierC · May 4, 2003

that assuming that what you say is true, and lets hope it is.
J.

Peter Phan · May 4, 2003

"Nikon had absolutly nothing to report ...no word on any D1x/H update (these things are now older then Rome in digital camera years)"

I think he meant that the Nikon source at the show had nothing to say about the D1x/h update.

JavierC said:
that assuming that what you say is true, and lets hope it is.
J.

Richard Smith41318 · May 4, 2003

Paul Pope said:
The Olydak 4/3 is a E-20 with a grip and a detatchable lens
..nothing much to write home about

If they can convert the E-20 into a detachable lens camera but keep all the E-20 features including live preview that's a big deal for a lot of people....

Diane B · May 4, 2003

DavidP said:
If you shoot lenses wide-open most of the time, the 1.3x is the
perfect sensor size, to me.

Gets rid of those nasty edge effects at large apertures, and keeps
the cost down, too.

That actually works for me. Hadn't thought of it, but that makes perfect sense in many ways and will keep me from waiting forever for a full frame that I can afford LOL.

Diane
--
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http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me

Diane B · May 4, 2003

Richard Smith said:
Paul Pope said:

The Olydak 4/3 is a E-20 with a grip and a detatchable lens
..nothing much to write home about

Click to expand...

If they can convert the E-20 into a detachable lens camera but keep
all the E-20 features including live preview that's a big deal for
a lot of people....

Yes, I think that's about what a lot of the Oly folks want (though faster review and loading). If this is what they get--with the 2 other features (speed), then I would bet it will be taken in with open arms in the Oly camp. BTW, I'm an old Oly shooter--just getting ready to complete the sale of my E10 and gear this next week.

My major concern always was--will Oly continue with it if it doesn't take off fairly early in the game. I felt not---I suspected that people would be left in the lurch with their new bodies and few lenses. I made the decision to go back to Canon where I knew my lenses would continue to be supported by bodies (bar something like the shift from EF to EOS--I still have an AE1 with lenses LOL).

Diane
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http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me

mal28 · May 4, 2003

I wonder if it will have eye control focus

Diane B · May 4, 2003

mal28 said:
I wonder if it will have eye control focus

I hope not--I think that would drive me daft though there are a number who really like it smile .
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http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me

Phillip Lynch · May 4, 2003

Is that Canon have plans for the 10D body there have to be a reason for them to make a new mold for a metal body to hold the same size sensor as the D60 and to leave some buttons and cf unused,as I pointed out in previous posts it did'n add up but now its becoming clearer 5D or what ever its called will be different from the 3D but we got to just wait and see any one needs older style BG-ED3 frip LOL

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