X2D is real??

[David Mantripp]

That shutter release with the embossed H is ghastly bling. Seems a step back towards the Lunar atrocity…. I guess this is what will sell in the Chinese bling DjI Hasselblad boutiques

The color of the shutter is Hasselblad's "traditional" color. It has been used in H6D and X1D cameras. LGTM.

He was talking about the embossed H, which is not something hasselblad does. And seeing how ergonomic the X1D is, you can bet they'd never do.

Exactly, the X1D is beautifully usable, close to pure form follows function. This X2D leak, if correct, looks like they are throwing this away and capitulating not only to the "Feature-Peepers", but also the ornament collectors. That really would be a massive miscalculation, imho.

In the X1D concept that top LCD panel is totally pointless.

 

[mdavidp]

Appears to be poor photoshop job.

MP

 

[AudiiDudii]

On the other hand, I am a tripod shooter and don't really like either the sensor or some groups of elements rattling around. I would prefer a camera without IS, most of the time.

I used to feel the same way, as I not only work from a tripod nearly all the time, but also use long exposures and median-blend multiple files to minimize noise, which requires a steady, rigid tripod for a camera / lens combo to perform well.

Then there's also the fact that keeping a moving sensor cool during long exposures isn't an easy task, because this prevents it from being directly mounted on a large, rigid heat sink.

In practice, though, I am not finding any of these things to be significant issues, at least for the type of photography I prefer to do (long exposures at base ISO taken at night) so maybe the technology of today has made these issues of the past?

 

[Erik Kaffehr]

The way I would see it, Hasselblad needs to move on.

I also think that megapixels are part of that. All MFD vendors seem to rely on Sony for sensor technology, except Leica S.

Sony will not develop sensors for a small market. The GFX 100 sensor is with all probability the same pixel design you see in the Fujifilm XT4, Sony A7rIV, GFX 100/GFX100S and the Phase One IQ 4150.

My understanding is that the 50 MP Sony sensor employed in Pentax 645, GFX 50/*, Phase One IQ350 et al. was not designed for mirrorless.


When Hasselblad developed the X1D, they were fully aware of the 102 MP sensor from Sony being on the horizon, and in all probability that is the sensor that the X system was designed for.


For some time, Hasselblad employed Ming Thein as director for strategy, I would recall. Min Thein discussed some of the related issues on his blog.


Just to say, any camera I had since 2009 was good enough for my needs. The reason I bought new cameras was not a need for image quality, but enabling technology:

• Focusing at magnified live view
• Electronic first shutter curtain
• Enabling tilt and shift capability

All those things could be done with large pixels, of course.

But, I don't see large pixels having any benefits. Distributing information on more pixels makes sense.
Best regards

Erik

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[Erik Kaffehr]

On the other hand, I am a tripod shooter and don't really like either the sensor or some groups of elements rattling around. I would prefer a camera without IS, most of the time.

I used to feel the same way, as I not only work from a tripod nearly all the time, but also use long exposures and median-blend multiple files to minimize noise, which requires a steady, rigid tripod for a camera / lens combo to perform well.

Then there's also the fact that keeping a moving sensor cool during long exposures isn't an easy task, because this prevents it from being directly mounted on a large, rigid heat sink.

In practice, though, I am not finding any of these things to be significant issues, at least for the type of photography I prefer to do (long exposures at base ISO taken at night) so maybe the technology of today has made these issues of the past?

Could be! I don't know.

Best regards

Erik

 

[etto72]

When Ming Thein was working at Hasselblad in his blog he mentioned that, phase detection AF and a joystick were among the most likely addition to a future 100MP new X1D model.

am I wrong or in this picture the camera doesn’t appear to have a joystick?


Cheers,

E

 

[gameshoes3003]

Looks good to me. I'm interested to see what the launch price would be. If a reasonable number leaks, I would try to sell off my X1Dii before the used value inevitably tanks when the X2D gets announced.

 

[David Mantripp]

Looks good to me. I'm interested to see what the launch price would be. If a reasonable number leaks, I would try to sell off my X1Dii before the used value inevitably tanks when the X2D gets announced.

I think the used price has already tanked. The reason for that starts with « F ».

I would want at least two things: a joystick, and adjustable brightness EVF. Seems not so much to ask, so I might also have the nerve to ask for actually useful distance scale, and even a live histogram or exposure warning of some kind. I guess 100Mp is non- negotiable, but I don’t need it. And please, don’t mess with the fundamentals.



Also some evidence that the system has a real future, like a lens or two, or lens roadmap.

 

[Harold66]

In the X1D concept that top LCD panel is totally pointless.

I disagree . As a matter of fact , now that I have tasted the benefits of top LCD on my Fuji GFX50SII and G9 I do not think I could buy another ILC without a top LCD ;-)

Harold

 

[bokesan]

Also some evidence that the system has a real future, like a lens or two, or lens roadmap.

I've been thinking that, too. But then I find myself wondering which possible lens I actually miss and would buy. And come up with nothing.

But re-releases of existing focal lengths (e.g. the 45P) might interest me - smaller, lighter, closer focusing, new shutter. Or a macro giving more magnification than 1:2.

 

[maxnardi]

Actually i think in Hasselblad mind… X and V sistema are the future, unfortunately i’ve not a great hope for H system (as a H6D-100c user i’m sorry about that)…

so i see H going all in with X1d and (hope) 907x successors.

i’m pretty sure (but don’t say that to anyone) of a new lens coming with X2D

 

[Jer81]

Actually i think in Hasselblad mind… X and V sistema are the future, unfortunately i’ve not a great hope for H system (as a H6D-100c user i’m sorry about that)…

so i see H going all in with X1d and (hope) 907x successors.

i’m pretty sure (but don’t say that to anyone) of a new lens coming with X2D

I don’t know. Is the X (and V) system such a commercial success that they can drop the H system? As a outsider (that would love to own a X1D) I have the impression the Fuji is eating them with the GFX system. Hope Hasselblad will fight back and takes a great piece of marketshare.

 

[Harold66]

I think it is very much the case

As much as I like the X1D aesthetics and feeling the hand, the camera was ridiculously flawed and the price of the lenses is waaayy up there when Fuji offers much cheaper lenses and focal lengths much suited to my work

so I got a Fuji Gfx 50SII which is a much better camera than the X2D in almost every respect

 

[franticskwerrel]

Actually i think in Hasselblad mind… X and V sistema are the future, unfortunately i’ve not a great hope for H system (as a H6D-100c user i’m sorry about that)…

so i see H going all in with X1d and (hope) 907x successors.

i’m pretty sure (but don’t say that to anyone) of a new lens coming with X2D

I don’t know. Is the X (and V) system such a commercial success that they can drop the H system? As a outsider (that would love to own a X1D) I have the impression the Fuji is eating them with the GFX system. Hope Hasselblad will fight back and takes a great piece of marketshare.

They're dropping the H. I ordered an H6D and was told later that they stopped production, so I had to go the used route.

 

[Erik Kaffehr]

Actually i think in Hasselblad mind… X and V sistema are the future, unfortunately i’ve not a great hope for H system (as a H6D-100c user i’m sorry about that)…

so i see H going all in with X1d and (hope) 907x successors.

i’m pretty sure (but don’t say that to anyone) of a new lens coming with X2D

I don’t know. Is the X (and V) system such a commercial success that they can drop the H system? As a outsider (that would love to own a X1D) I have the impression the Fuji is eating them with the GFX system. Hope Hasselblad will fight back and takes a great piece of marketshare.

Hi,

It is hard to know about Hasselblad sales.




Lensrentals statistics may give a glimpse of the US market. Would indicate GFX is around 4X Hasselblad X. Hasselblad H is not on the list. Note that all but big four have small market shares.

Best regards

Erik



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[Jer81]

I think it is very much the case

As much as I like the X1D aesthetics and feeling the hand, the camera was ridiculously flawed and the price of the lenses is waaayy up there when Fuji offers much cheaper lenses and focal lengths much suited to my work

so I got a Fuji Gfx 50SII which is a much better camera than the X2D in almost every respect

The X2D isn't real yet, so sure any existing camera is better.

The X1D-II is €6k and the GFX 50SII €4k. Hasselblad is worth a light premium price I think, If they can bring it down to €5k it would stand a better change. Maybe they can lower the price with the introduction of the X2D. For the rest it's a great camera.

The real pain is in the lenses. But the XCD 45P shows the way, €1200 for a good quality MF lens is a price people looking for MF are willing to pay I think. It's also quite small. So Hasselblad need to release some more P lenses. If they do that I think it works out just fine for them.

 

[Harold66]

I think it is very much the case

As much as I like the X1D aesthetics and feeling the hand, the camera was ridiculously flawed and the price of the lenses is waaayy up there when Fuji offers much cheaper lenses and focal lengths much suited to my work

so I got a Fuji Gfx 50SII which is a much better camera than the X2D in almost every respect

The X2D isn't real yet, so sure any existing camera is better.

Yes indeed you got me there ;-) Of course meant to write X1D-II

The X1D-II is €6k and the GFX 50SII €4k. Hasselblad is worth a light premium price I think, If they can bring it down to €5k it would stand a better change. Maybe they can lower the price with the introduction of the X2D. For the rest it's a great camera.

the black curtain between each picture , the fact that you can get full jpegs with raw , the lack of IS..

but hey if you think the issue is just the price , be my guest

The real pain is in the lenses. But the XCD 45P shows the way, €1200 for a good quality MF lens is a price people looking for MF are willing to pay I think. It's also quite small. So Hasselblad need to release some more P lenses. If they do that I think it works out just fine for them.

Yes Fuji already has a small lens . Most Fuji lenses get great reviews and are significantly cheaper than the ones for the Hasselblad

the Hasselblad is supposed to have great, more neutral color tones but this is a very high price to pay for an advantage which is not that difficult to reduce in post

Harold

 

[maxnardi]

I'm reasonably sure that X2D has 100Mp WItH IBIS.


I bet even on better AF, maybe with eye af.
Hope on some sort of video RAW output.

 

[maxnardi]

I think it is very much the case

As much as I like the X1D aesthetics and feeling the hand, the camera was ridiculously flawed and the price of the lenses is waaayy up there when Fuji offers much cheaper lenses and focal lengths much suited to my work

true if you don't need leaf shutter and VERY good color reproduction: in my (and my client's) opinion and the best in the market (they don't know which camera I use but they recognize the accuracy).

so I got a Fuji Gfx 50SII which is a much better camera than the X2D in almost every respect

 

[JimKasson]

I'm reasonably sure that X2D has 100Mp WItH IBIS.

How do you know that?

I bet even on better AF, maybe with eye af.
Hope on some sort of video RAW output.