Passing on the GR IIIx

Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
 
Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used
This one i wanted to reply in a separate post because , while sounding like a valid argument on the face of it , it is actually ignoring a basic fact

I am going to give you a few examples to show while this argument should not apply here

The Gr3 also removed the built-in flash present in the older models . Personally i never use a built-in flash in ANY cameras i have ever owned

Now suppose that you are a Gr user who uses the built in flash on most of your images. Then when you see the features of the new model, you therefore do not want to buy the camera and say the new model is USELESS FOR ME because it does not have the built in flash

SO in this case would you say that one needs to buy a camera before expressing an opinion EVEN IF you know already that the new model does not have a feature essential for the way you use the camera ?

The GR3 lacks a feature which i use ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time .This is why saying i would need to buy the GR3 to be able to say that the new model does not work for me is preposterous 🤨

Different people have different needs . I have never said that nobody should like this Gr3 . I have just explained why people should be aware of the differences between both models 😌
Harold, apologies for interrupting your conversation with reeluff,
No problem and tbh I am not even sure that this even qualifies as a conversation :-O
but I wanted to comment on the GRIII touchscreen for a moment.

I really have to remind myself to use the touchscreen more often but the one area I do use it for touch focusing on off-center items. It does have the capacity to touch focus and shoot as well but I use the shutter button to shoot.

Just a personal preference.
exactly that . Personally , the only area where I like to use a touchscreen is for review and playback mode but as you said it is good to have the option for those who like it
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Also, if you tend to shoot people the eye/face detection comes in handy as part of the newer software. I'm not sure this was or is available in the GRII.
You are right , I forgot about that . This is definitely a plus in some situations . so that makes Three things of the GRIII that I would like to get from my GR2 :-D:-D

Harold
I got to thinking about what you've said about many of the hard buttons being removed from the GR when they released the GRIII.

Perhaps we "old school" guys just prefer hard buttons to menu systems. Would that be a fair statement?

I'm kind of torn between form and function. I like the streamlined look of the GRIII but would probably prefer more buttons, levers, etc.

Why? Because that's what I'm used to. For instance, most "stereo" systems back in the stone age had a button or lever for everything. Nothing was performed thru a menu system. If you wanted Dolby C or whatever you had to press a hard button. I liked that.

Anyway, I'll stop reminiscing and get back to enjoying my "streamlined" GRIII. Times they are a changin'.
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
Thank you. But this is only a few months after release since the thread is from 2019. Also, the pitch comes from within Ricoh so maybe a tad biased. ;) Hope it's true.
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
Thank you. But this is only a few months after release since the thread is from 2019. Also, the pitch comes from within Ricoh so maybe a tad biased. ;) Hope it's true.
Well data could be biased too… if released by Ricoh …and a few months after they already were selling at a rate 7-8 times the norm. They released a 40mm version recently in two colors. They wouldn’t do that if it wasn’t selling.
 
what do you prefer to use now? Still have a GR?
Hi again

To ask me that , you must be relatively new here :-D:-D;-)

To answer your question , once I saw the way the GR III was designed , I bought two more GR2 . then my GR2 broke (the stuck lens syndrome ) so I got another Gr2 so that I can have one in use AND TWO NEW back ups

The reason for that is that I do not believe that I will ever see a compact camera , regardless of the brand , with a rather large sensor and such amazing ergonomics

Contrary to popular belief , the GR 2 offers several advantages over the GR outside the wifi function ( that I never use btw) , including a small one , a large one and a HUGE one at least for street photography and events

so I should be set for a decade at least ;-)

Harold
 
what do you prefer to use now? Still have a GR?
Hi again

To ask me that , you must be relatively new here :-D:-D;-)

To answer your question , once I saw the way the GR III was designed , I bought two more GR2 . then my GR2 broke (the stuck lens syndrome ) so I got another Gr2 so that I can have one in use AND TWO NEW back ups

The reason for that is that I do not believe that I will ever see a compact camera , regardless of the brand , with a rather large sensor and such amazing ergonomics

Contrary to popular belief , the GR 2 offers several advantages over the GR outside the wifi function ( that I never use btw) , including a small one , a large one and a HUGE one at least for street photography and events

so I should be set for a decade at least ;-)

Harold
I also bought backup GRII. Still the best camera I have ever used.
Well , there are of course always limitations to a camera with only one lens but yes the GRII is the best fixed lens camera I have ever used too..

For film cameras , I guess my vote would have gone to my Pentax 6x7

and for the best digital ILC without a doubt this is the Panasonic g9 :-D

Harold
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
Thank you. But this is only a few months after release since the thread is from 2019. Also, the pitch comes from within Ricoh so maybe a tad biased. ;) Hope it's true.
Well data could be biased too… if released by Ricoh …and a few months after they already were selling at a rate 7-8 times the norm. They released a 40mm version recently in two colors. They wouldn’t do that if it wasn’t selling.
I would personally like to keep the GR line a sleeper. It seems that only a few people know about it. Most don't even know that Ricoh makes a camera outside of the forums. I was at a function in the late fall with maybe 30 people there. Not one had ever heard of my camera, or even cared quite frankly.
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
I think the best GR to date is the GR III and the sales number support it.

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Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
I think the best GR to date is the GR III and the sales number support it.
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more. I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio, raw files looks better, way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on. I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is. Ricoh finally succeeded in creating a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells. It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users seem to like the GRII more.
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DPReview Quote: Ricoh GR III shooting experience: "Shut up and take my money"
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Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
I think the best GR to date is the GR III and the sales number support it.
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more. I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio, raw files looks better, way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on. I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is. Ricoh finally succeeded to created a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells. It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users still like the GRII more.
I could not agree more .. I wrote all of that and boy did I get in trouble here for saying the same thing

I think the GRIII has actually three "advantages " over the GRII ( which in a perfect world I would like to be included in a GRII limited edition LOL ) but still does not change that I agree with rest of what you wrote ;-)

Harold
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
I think the best GR to date is the GR III and the sales number support it.
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more. I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio, raw files looks better, way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on. I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is. Ricoh finally succeeded to created a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells. It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users still like the GRII more.
I could not agree more .. I wrote all of that and boy did I get in trouble here for saying the same thing

I think the GRIII has actually three "advantages " over the GRII ( which in a perfect world I would like to be included in a GRII limited edition LOL ) but still does not change that I agree with rest of what you wrote ;-)
what are the other two advantages?:)
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
Everyone keeps suggesting that the GRIII is selling very well.

How are the sales of the III vs. the II?

Any data?

I realize the III has only been out since 2019.
Data no…but there’s this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4447992
I think the best GR to date is the GR III and the sales number support it.
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more. I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio, raw files looks better, way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on. I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is. Ricoh finally succeeded to created a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells. It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users still like the GRII more.
I could not agree more .. I wrote all of that and boy did I get in trouble here for saying the same thing

I think the GRIII has actually three "advantages " over the GRII ( which in a perfect world I would like to be included in a GRII limited edition LOL ) but still does not change that I agree with rest of what you wrote ;-)
what are the other two advantages?:)
one is the newer sensor with the higher MP count (useful especially when using the 4.3 ratio like I ALWAYS DO)

The other one , maybe less important but still pretty unique to the GR, is the larger internal memory very useful sometimes if you run out of space on the sd card or if a card fails ...

Like the 4.3 ratio option , these kind of unique features are part of what made the Ricoh GR line so special

OH and as someone else mentions the addition of face detection could be useful too

Harold
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I considered GR's from the beginning. (film days) I sold the originals. They quickly got a reputation for being delicate, compared to the Olympus Stylus family. (I went for a Yashica T4, at the time) Over the years, I didn't see much that durability had improved, so I never bought one. In the digital days, folks had to REALLY be in it for the compactness and large sensor, to spend that kind of money.

As recently as the GR II, it was just not compelling enough at the $1k price point without IBIS and with the lower resolution. It's not that I need 24 MP, it's just that I need that for to make it versatile when cropped, if I have only a wide prime lens! The body also seemed a bit long, due to the wimpy built-in flash.

The addition of IBIS and 50% more resolution, along with making it more compact by eliminating the flash finally made it worth paying the price. (and let's be honest, they're quite expensive for their feature set) Oh, and the (already great) lens was improved, too.

With the additional resolution, I can just shoot all the time now at 24 MP and crop down to 50 mm eq. with no problems. When I DO need the full 28 mm angle of view, I just reduce the JPG to 1800p or so on the long edge for sharing.

I LOVE IBIS, since I got my Olympus E-M10.3. It really is a game-changer when shooting in available ambient light. Even more so on a wide angle lens, as it is not typically considered an "action lens".
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more.
IBIS is a huge advantage in its own right. (not just for noise reduction) It can make the difference between shooting wide open at max ISO and still having camera shake motion blur and not.
I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio,
Crop to 4:3; what's the problem?
raw files looks better,
I don't care, but it can't be much! What I want is good jpgs, so I don't need to screw around editing raws.
way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on.
I don't know about the II, but I like the layout fine on the III; no complaints. It sounds like it is your preference because you've gotten used to it, and now you don't want to change. Also, the wheel that some people find flakey has a D-pad too, so what's the problem?
I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is.
Here, you're 100% wrong. Sales numbers mean EVERYTHING to Ricoh, and so it should mean something to you, since they won't keep making them if they don't sell! When they sell more, it is their feedback that they did a good job and made the right decisions. There might be 100 people who feel like you do, but if there are 800 people who feel the III is more compelling, guess who they're going to listen to?
Ricoh finally succeeded in creating a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells.
Nope, you're not giving people enough credit. It sells because it is finally compelling enough to a wider market of potential buyers. I've been a digital photographer for a long time, but the GRs just weren't compelling enough to justify the price until the III. They either had to be cheaper or have features that more people want.
It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users seem to like the GRII more.
I think you're right about finding new GR shooters, but old GR users are a much smaller pool than all the potential new customers. (as evidenced by the 800% increase in sales in Europe!)
 
Each one is entitled to their opinion but your post contains several FACTUAL errors 🤔

1/ i am pretty sure that when the GRII came out the asking price was NOT 1,000 usd like you claimed and like it is the case for the GR3

2/ going from 16mp sensor to 24mp sensor does NOT correspond to 50% increase in resolution 😜

3/ yes ibis is nice but comparing the 3 axis ibis of this GR3 with Olympus much better ibis is either ignorant or disingenuous. And for street photographers who shoot people moving , walking in the frame, ibis use is limited

4/ please tell us what are your sources for coming up with that 800% increase in sales

contrary to your condescending claim , preferring the GRII to the three has nothing to do with refusing to accept changes

tell you what if Ricoh was to produce a limited edition of the GR2 with the 4 or 5 things useful that the GRIII brings, i would not hesitate to buy it

Glad the Gr3 and its 50% more resolution 😜🤣🤓 works for you. You know what works for you but you shouldn’t try to second guess why it does not work for some of us

Harold
 
I considered GR's from the beginning. (film days) I sold the originals. They quickly got a reputation for being delicate, compared to the Olympus Stylus family. (I went for a Yashica T4, at the time) Over the years, I didn't see much that durability had improved, so I never bought one. In the digital days, folks had to REALLY be in it for the compactness and large sensor, to spend that kind of money.

As recently as the GR II, it was just not compelling enough at the $1k price point without IBIS and with the lower resolution. It's not that I need 24 MP, it's just that I need that for to make it versatile when cropped, if I have only a wide prime lens! The body also seemed a bit long, due to the wimpy built-in flash.

The addition of IBIS and 50% more resolution, along with making it more compact by eliminating the flash finally made it worth paying the price. (and let's be honest, they're quite expensive for their feature set) Oh, and the (already great) lens was improved, too.

With the additional resolution, I can just shoot all the time now at 24 MP and crop down to 50 mm eq. with no problems. When I DO need the full 28 mm angle of view, I just reduce the JPG to 1800p or so on the long edge for sharing.

I LOVE IBIS, since I got my Olympus E-M10.3. It really is a game-changer when shooting in available ambient light. Even more so on a wide angle lens, as it is not typically considered an "action lens".
Best how? IMO the GRIII only has one advantage, noise at high ISO. Nothing more.
IBIS is a huge advantage in its own right. (not just for noise reduction) It can make the difference between shooting wide open at max ISO and still having camera shake motion blur and not.
I have owned the old Ricoh GR digital line, Ricoh GR, Ricoh GRII and the Ricoh GRIII, I think the GRII is superior to the GRIII. It has 4:3 ratio,
Crop to 4:3; what's the problem
I know there is a new generation of people with cameras that don’t care at all about getting it right in camera. They take half descent photos and try to save them in post.

I like to be 99% done in camera, seeing the correct ratio helps a lot. I don’t make my pictures in a computer, I make them in my camera.
raw files looks better,
I don't care, but it can't be much! What I want is good jpgs, so I don't need to screw around editing raws.
way better ergonomics, better button layout, flash and so on.
I don't know about the II, but I like the layout fine on the III; no complaints. It sounds like it is your preference because you've gotten used to it, and now you don't want to change. Also, the wheel that some people find flakey has a D-pad too, so what's the problem?
I sold my GRIII after about a month an bought a second GRII. Sales numbers means nothing when deciding how good something is.
Here, you're 100% wrong. Sales numbers mean EVERYTHING to Ricoh, and so it should mean something to you, since they won't keep making them if they don't sell! When they sell more, it is their feedback that they did a good job and made the right decisions. There might be 100 people who feel like you do, but if there are 800 people who feel the III is more compelling, guess who they're going to listen to?
Ricoh finally succeeded in creating a hype around the GRIII, that’s why it sells.
Nope, you're not giving people enough credit. It sells because it is finally compelling enough to a wider market of potential buyers. I've been a digital photographer for a long time, but the GRs just weren't compelling enough to justify the price until the III. They either had to be cheaper or have features that more people want.
It’s finding a way to new Ricoh GR shooters. But most old Ricoh GR users seem to like the GRII more.
I think you're right about finding new GR shooters, but old GR users are a much smaller pool than all the potential new customers. (as evidenced by the 800% increase in sales in Europe!)
 
I like to be 99% done in camera, seeing the correct ratio helps a lot. I don’t make my pictures in a computer, I make them in my camera.
Same for me ;-)

Harold
 
Each one is entitled to their opinion but your post contains several FACTUAL errors 🤔

1/ i am pretty sure that when the GRII came out the asking price was NOT 1,000 usd like you claimed and like it is the case for the GR3
It was launched at $800 US in 2015. Correcting for inflation, that would be $948 today, so the GR III effectively costs only $50 more than the GR II did at launch. (SOURCE)
2/ going from 16mp sensor to 24mp sensor does NOT correspond to 50% increase in resolution 😜
Better check your math.
3/ yes ibis is nice but comparing the 3 axis ibis of this GR3 with Olympus much better ibis is either ignorant or disingenuous. And for street photographers who shoot people moving , walking in the frame, ibis use is limited
I didn't say it was as good as Olympus' 5-axis, just that it is effective and a game-changer. It's easily good for 2 stops; 1/10 sec. hand-held is not a problem. (DPR test confirms this)
4/ please tell us what are your sources for coming up with that 800% increase in sales
Translated from an interview with Philippe Farreng, General Sales Manager for Europe, Ricoh Imaging.

Read more: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/11/23...neral-sales-manager-for-europe/#ixzz7Nd5MsPnF

"One of the most important products of our group is the Ricoh GR, the ideal device for street photography. We launched the Ricoh GR III 6 months ago and we are enjoying an extraordinary success: compared to the sales we made with the GR II we have had an absolutely incredible jump, especially in Europe where we have multiplied our sales by 7 or 8. It’s therefore one of the pillars of the group today and one of the areas Ricoh are investing heavily in. In the future, many developments in the GR range are to be expected."

Read more: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/11/23...neral-sales-manager-for-europe/#ixzz7Nd56sQQQ"

Before you latch onto the "rumours" part of the website name, let's note that this is not a rumor, but a translated quote directly from Ricoh.
contrary to your condescending claim , preferring the GRII to the three has nothing to do with refusing to accept changes
OK, fair enough. That was speculation on my part and I'm sorry to have offended.
tell you what if Ricoh was to produce a limited edition of the GR2 with the 4 or 5 things useful that the GRIII brings, i would not hesitate to buy it

Glad the Gr3 and its 50% more resolution 😜🤣🤓 works for you. You know what works for you but you shouldn’t try to second guess why it does not work for some of us
Well, you have SOME nerve, lecturing ME on being condescending! ;-)

Please educate me, as I seem to be missing something: Why is it so funny that 24 MP is 50% more resolution than 16 MP?
 
Each one is entitled to their opinion but your post contains several FACTUAL errors 🤔

1/ i am pretty sure that when the GRII came out the asking price was NOT 1,000 usd like you claimed and like it is the case for the GR3
It was launched at $800 US in 2015. Correcting for inflation, that would be $948 today, so the GR III effectively costs only $50 more than the GR II did at launch. (SOURCE)
that argument would have had more weight if you had explained from the start instead of waiting to be called on it
2/ going from 16mp sensor to 24mp sensor does NOT correspond to 50% increase in resolution 😜
Better check your math.
NO , why don t you ask other people in this forum ?
3/ yes ibis is nice but comparing the 3 axis ibis of this GR3 with Olympus much better ibis is either ignorant or disingenuous. And for street photographers who shoot people moving , walking in the frame, ibis use is limited
I didn't say it was as good as Olympus' 5-axis, just that it is effective and a game-changer. It's easily good for 2 stops; 1/10 sec. hand-held is not a problem. (DPR test confirms this)
as I said I am not saying that it cannot be useful at times . every statement you make was vague and disingenuous . I am just stressing the limitations of such ibis
4/ please tell us what are your sources for coming up with that 800% increase in sales
Translated from an interview with Philippe Farreng, General Sales Manager for Europe, Ricoh Imaging.

Read more: https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/11/23...neral-sales-manager-for-europe/#ixzz7Nd5MsPnF

"One of the most important products of our group is the Ricoh GR, the ideal device for street photography. We launched the Ricoh GR III 6 months ago and we are enjoying an extraordinary success: compared to the sales we made with the GR II we have had an absolutely incredible jump, especially in Europe where we have multiplied our sales by 7 or 8. It’s therefore one of the pillars of the group today and one of the areas Ricoh are investing heavily in. In the future, many developments in the GR range are to be expected."
Again not exactly what you said . the figure was Only for Europe .Rather vague and disingenuous from you:-x

That being said , I would not be surprised that the GRIII outsells the GRII. there are numerous reasons for that . ONE of them is the dumbing down of the camera to reach a wider customer base
contrary to your condescending claim , preferring the GRII to the three has nothing to do with refusing to accept changes
OK, fair enough. That was speculation on my part and I'm sorry to have offended.
tell you what if Ricoh was to produce a limited edition of the GR2 with the 4 or 5 things useful that the GRIII brings, i would not hesitate to buy it

Glad the Gr3 and its 50% more resolution 😜🤣🤓 works for you. You know what works for you but you shouldn’t try to second guess why it does not work for some of us
Well, you have SOME nerve, lecturing ME on being condescending! ;-)
No , I stand by what I wrote
Please educate me, as I seem to be missing something: Why is it so funny that 24 MP is 50% more resolution than 16 MP?
as I said there are numerous knowledeable people on this forum . They can explain to you the difference between increase in Megapixel count versus resolution :-D

Harold
 

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