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Hi,

Well, the Kodak CMOS 14 MP wasn't a good replacement for their 6 MP CCD. That one tended to be a bit blotchy such that I chose not to buy one at the time. Good thing, too as that 14 MP sensor had more issues to come....

I did buy a Canon 1Ds instead but then found I preferred that 6 MP Kodak CCD over the Canon 1Ds 11 MP CMOS. I did like the higher resolution for printing, so I sold the Canon and bought a 16 MP CCD Pro Back and a Contax 645.

Stan
Was that on Kodak 14N, also Kodak slrC slrN.

I had Kodak slrC as well as 1Ds back in the day around 2010 2011. Have a couple of my favourite monochrome with M42 lenses on Kodak slrC.

As with any digital camera I've had (101 thus far) I utilise them for certain purposes.

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Hi,

Well, the Kodak CMOS 14 MP wasn't a good replacement for their 6 MP CCD. That one tended to be a bit blotchy such that I chose not to buy one at the time. Good thing, too as that 14 MP sensor had more issues to come....

I did buy a Canon 1Ds instead but then found I preferred that 6 MP Kodak CCD over the Canon 1Ds 11 MP CMOS. I did like the higher resolution for printing, so I sold the Canon and bought a 16 MP CCD Pro Back and a Contax 645.

Stan
The Kodak 14n was the most expensive camera I have ever bought. It also contended for being the worst with the Sigma SD14. Neither camera were ready for market IMO and essentially represented rip offs. The Canon 5D was a somewhat later near contemporary that was vastly superior.

Sigma eventually sorted out the SD14 debacle when they replaced it with the quite good SD15. I have an SD15 for old times sake and it is a decent camera although the files are far too small.

I said to my Kodak forum pals at the time, that as soon as Nikon brought out a 12MP model, Kodak was dead. And so it proved.

I still have my Kodak, never could bring myself to pass the monster on to some other unsuspecting fool. Sadly, it will no longer start up properly, just reboots every few seconds.

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I said to my Kodak forum pals at the time, that as soon as Nikon brought out a 12MP model, Kodak was dead. And so it proved.
Nikon D700 35mm dslr when it was released 2008 I recall handling it in Jessops just felt right in my hands. It's one dslr I wish I had picked up. Instead excitedly happily went mirrorless EP1, Nex5, thousands of photos with adapted lenses, a few longish exposures as well with Nex5. D700 does 14bit raw as well. You know what sometime this summer I might just do that pick up a D700 only if around £125 ish.

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Hi,

Yes. But with a second generation Fill Fsctory sensor. All the 14n units were recalled to have the sensor changed and were then called the 14nx. After which the SLR/n replaced the 14nx. The SLR/c came after that. And then thr end came and Kodak quit making DSLRs.

Stan
 
Hi,

Yes. But with a second generation Fill Fsctory sensor. All the 14n units were recalled to have the sensor changed and were then called the 14nx. After which the SLR/n replaced the 14nx. The SLR/c came after that. And then thr end came and Kodak quit making DSLRs.

Stan
Not completely accurate. None of the original 14n were recalled. It was a paid upgrade to have the guts of the 14n replaced.
 
Hi,

It has been a topic around here since the early days of the sensor.

I tend to jump ISO in full stops and so go from 200 to 500 and skip 400....

Stan
Been umming and aahing which Gfx having handled them all in photography stores. Settled on original 100 even though 100S has useful features, 50R I can make look "less intimidating" "more friendly" out and about in London. Will still take me another perhaps 4 5 years to save up mpb with warranty 100 + lenses + adapter for other glass.
This makes you somewhat unusual on this forum where there seem to be lot of fairly casual remarks along the lines of "I popped into a store and picked up a RF on the way home to see what it was like". I can say things like that about cameras that cost £100, but not about cameras that cost £5000 or £7000. Buying a medium format camera, even an older used one, was a once in a lifetime purchase for me made possible by my retirement cash lump sum. The very obvious difference between my income and many others here has always made me feel a bit like I don't belong in this community, that MF is strictly for wealthier people, and I must be a fraud. My feelings, not something anyone has ever said, but the seemingly casual splashing of large amounts of cash, has always intimidated. Good luck on getting into MF even if it's going to take a long while.
 
Hi,

It has been a topic around here since the early days of the sensor.

I tend to jump ISO in full stops and so go from 200 to 500 and skip 400....

Stan
Been umming and aahing which Gfx having handled them all in photography stores. Settled on original 100 even though 100S has useful features, 50R I can make look "less intimidating" "more friendly" out and about in London. Will still take me another perhaps 4 5 years to save up mpb with warranty 100 + lenses + adapter for other glass.
This makes you somewhat unusual on this forum where there seem to be lot of fairly casual remarks along the lines of "I popped into a store and picked up a RF on the way home to see what it was like". I can say things like that about cameras that cost £100, but not about cameras that cost £5000 or £7000. Buying a medium format camera, even an older used one, was a once in a lifetime purchase for me made possible by my retirement cash lump sum. The very obvious difference between my income and many others here has always made me feel a bit like I don't belong in this community, that MF is strictly for wealthier people, and I must be a fraud. My feelings, not something anyone has ever said, but the seemingly casual splashing of large amounts of cash, has always intimidated. Good luck on getting into MF even if it's going to take a long while.
☕️ David.

You are never a fraud not in a million years.

I just look at cameras as instruments even if £100K. I remember handling Leica S2 45x30 sensor in 2012 in London. It's price perhaps £10K at the time I just thought it's just a camera.

As you wrote in another Dpr MF forum thread, words to the effect any Tom **** n Harry can do digital photography. I agree I find digital photography a piece of cake 🎂 lol for types of photography I do from 35mm dslr to aps-c m4/3 1inch 2/3 1/1.7" 1/2.5" sensor cameras I've had adapting manual lenses to dslrs, mirrorless.

44x33 Gfx another piece of 🎂😹 for photography I do.

Bellows film MF, TLR MF I have photographed I'm just quite useless as a film photographer for the types of creativity I'd like to do, I saw in photography books in my teens.

I enjoy cameradarie of this MF forum, the deeper discussions on photography here. Also because there are several experienced persons here I feel I can write things here I wouldn't on other Dpr forums.

Most I ever spent on a digital camera is close to £500. I purchase sometimes over a decade after release, certainly mostly years after release that's how I've afforded 101 digital cameras except recent Chuzhao baby fake tlr £40. I am fairly close to the bread line currently which is still miles better of than billions of folk on earth.

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Most I ever spent on a digital camera is close to £500. I purchase sometimes over a decade after release, certainly mostly years after release that's how I've afforded 101 digital cameras. I am fairly close to the bread line currently which is still miles better of than billions of folk on earth.
You've done well. I've bought loads of cheap cameras, too. I'm kind of comfortable spending a couple of hundred quid on a used camera, not so much larger sums.

25 years ago I bought an Oly E10, a Nikon D100 and a Kodak 14n (over 5 years or so). All of these cameras were too expensive for me and put a ridiculous strain on my finances at the time, but I was keen/desperate and it was early adopter days.

I justified those purchases on a fairly rudimentary financial basis: it would cost me about £1 a shot for medium format Velvia film, so as long as I took enough £1-a-go shots to cover the camera purchase price, I was quids in. It was psychological game playing and I eventually realised I couldn't afford this kind of outlay to maintain a hobby. It left me flat broke without a penny to my name.

I've not fallen into that trap since, and although I have in recent years got into MF and FF, I did so with used purchases of older gear I had the money for, and I'll never pay unaffordable money for a camera again, especially silly money I don't have. Cameras are all so good now, there is no need for top end stuff for most people.

This forum still leaves me feeling a bit like I've accidentally walked into the exclusive golf country club, though, when I read people talking about spending £10k like it was peanuts. Some people here seem to have unimaginable sums of disposable income. I don't think I'll ever shed that feeling unless I win the lottery I don't play :-)

I think the great thing about digital photography today is the very wide range of used equipment at low prices that is available. It's not like the film era, once you have your cheap used camera, there are no running costs. Looking on MPB, just about the cheapest camera you can get is the Nikon D3000. £60 for a 10MP sensor good enough for A3 prints. I find it kind of gobsmacking when you consider I originally paid £1630 for my 6MP D100. That D100 is £3000 in today's money, and you can get a superior used D3000 with 10k clicks on the shutter for £60. Kinda of mind blowing value for money. If you are really, really strapped, or a kid just getting into photography, you can get the Canon equivalent of that D100 for £24! For £90 you can get a very capable Nikon D90. If you can't make excellent photos with one of those, gear isn't your problem...
 
Hi,

The sensor was on Kodak's dime. To get the rest of the SLR/n upgrades, such as memory, added to the 14n was an extra charge.

Not that any of this matters these days.

Stan

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Hi,

The sensor was on Kodak's dime. To get the rest of the SLR/n upgrades, such as memory, added to the 14n was an extra charge.

Not that any of this matters these days.

Stan
In the UK, at least, the sensor change was a £1200 upgrade package. I know this because I just looked back through the Kodak forum and found posts confirming this. If it had been free I would have had my own camera upgraded.

And from Imaging Resource review:

But the very best news for current Pro 14n owners is that Kodak is offering an upgrade program, by which existing 14n models can be upgraded to nearly full SLR/n functionality and image quality, by swapping out the sensor and analog electronics board. Referred to as "14nx" models, the upgraded cameras will lack only the SLR/n's power management, and the slight processing speed resulting from the new model's higher processor bus speed. All other features and functions of an upgraded 14n will be identical to those of a new SLR/n.) This is unprecedented in the d-SLR world, and should give great comfort to current and future Kodak pro SLR owners. While not cheap, at a projected price of $1,495, the upgrade program is certainly a better deal than simply scrapping a current camera and buying a whole new one. (And given what I've seen of the SLR/n's improved performance, I'd say that the 14n upgrade constitutes a very worthwhile investment.)
 
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Hi,

Here, in the US, a new sensor was free as the original ones simply fell apart. What I can't recall is if there was a serial number break for the 14n to be a swap out. There probably was.

The rest of the changes from 14n to 14nx had to be paid for.

Stan

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Hi,

Here, in the US, a new sensor was free as the original ones simply fell apart. What I can't recall is if there was a serial number break for the 14n to be a swap out. There probably was.

The rest of the changes from 14n to 14nx had to be paid for.

Stan
I don't recall there being any kind of component failure issue, the upgrade was literally that, a reworked camera that could be retrofitted to existing bodies. There was even speculation this might herald the start of a new business model but it never happened.

You appeared to believe it was a paid upgrade at the time :-)



and here is confirmation by Jono Slack of the price he paid to get his 14n upgraded to a 14nx:


And the N American price was $1500:

 

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