No image stabilization?

[RAD]

Nice job of trolling... you've got them all stirred up....

 

[grazuncle]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Not while the picture is being taken.

That's what I said

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

Err - how many decades is many? My first VR lens was a Nikon 18-200 on a D70 - introduced late 2005.

Canon did their first in 1995. Things will have been learned since then.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

What makes you think they haven't?

It was sarcasm, Vic.

I get that you don't like IS.

I respect that

 

[grazuncle]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Yes, I don't mind shaking my camera to clean it.

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

You mean my lens elements are wobbling too! That can't be good.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Probably already has!

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

Agreed! Too much technology for its own sake.

Yes these manufacturers are all idiots.

 

[kirkmc]

I'm sorry, I thought I was posting in a forum about the Fuji X 100 f. That's the camera I was referring to.

 

[kirkmc]

No, I have a tremor so this is quite important to me. I'm interested in the X 100f but the lack of IS could be a deal breaker.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Not while the picture is being taken.

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

Err - how many decades is many? My first VR lens was a Nikon 18-200 on a D70 - introduced late 2005.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

What makes you think they haven't?

Ever heard of the Nikon D800 left focus issue - if it were properly tested it would have never happened. Ever heard of the Nikon D600 oil on the sensor problem. If there had been adequate testing it would have never happen.

Nikon is not alone in this. Just because a camera company has blessed a product doesn't really mean they have tested it.

And for Fuji - I have seen their poor testing protocol with their PCAutoSave S/W. Yep that is a top notch piece of garbage. Camera companies are in business to make money. They love to generate fanboys because they make a lot of money off of fanboys.

Camera companies don't make money by extensive testing they make money getting products on the market.

 

[Jerry-astro]

I'm sorry, I thought I was posting in a forum about the Fuji X 100 f. That's the camera I was referring to.

No worries. As you can see from the forum title, all Fuji cameras, excepting the FinePix series, are covered here. So, you'll need to specifically refer to the model or series of the camera when asking questions, just so people have an idea as to what you're using and where the issues might be.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

 

[VisualFX]

I'm surprised that a camera like this doesn't have IS. Is there any specific reason why it's not on this camera?

https://www.slrlounge.com/why-fuji-cant-add-ibis-to-x-systemdaily-roundup/

Fuji's excuse. Interesting. Well, they could always go the digital route with IBIS, crop the image a bit and stabilize. Use that in conjuntion with IBIS and the corners won't be any less quality then the rest of the photo.

 

[kirkmc]

Yes, I know. But it seems I can't edit the original post to correct it...

 

[Jerry-astro]

Yes, I know. But it seems I can't edit the original post to correct it...

If you run into the problem again, just send a PM to Bob or me and we can make any edits necessary on your behalf using our magical Mod toolset.

 

[John Carson]

IS for stills will either be a huge advantage for some or an extra feature they don't need for others. For video, however, it's VERY important and, with Fuji adding 4K on recent bodies, not having IBIS is a real deal breaker to most who would love to use their system. Unless you're planning on carrying around a large and expensive gimbal system, the Fuji system isn't really practical over the competition for anyone wanting to shoot lots of video, no matter how good they make the quality and AF.

The zooms are stabilised, with one exception.

 

[Vic Chapman]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Not while the picture is being taken.

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

Err - how many decades is many? My first VR lens was a Nikon 18-200 on a D70 - introduced late 2005.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

What makes you think they haven't?

Ever heard of the Nikon D800 left focus issue - if it were properly tested it would have never happened. Ever heard of the Nikon D600 oil on the sensor problem. If there had been adequate testing it would have never happen.

Nikon is not alone in this. Just because a camera company has blessed a product doesn't really mean they have tested it.

And for Fuji - I have seen their poor testing protocol with their PCAutoSave S/W. Yep that is a top notch piece of garbage. Camera companies are in business to make money. They love to generate fanboys because they make a lot of money off of fanboys.

Camera companies don't make money by extensive testing they make money getting products on the market.

 

[Todd Jones]

No, I have a tremor so this is quite important to me. I'm interested in the X 100f but the lack of IS could be a deal breaker.

 

[nixda]

No, I have a tremor so this is quite important to me. I'm interested in the X 100f but the lack of IS could be a deal breaker.

If you need IS and you still want to go Fuji, the X-Pro2 or X-E2 with the 18-55mm lens would be options. If that won't do it, then you'll need to look elsewhere.

 

[Midwest]

Agree about the overuse of IS. It can certainly be useful but I always try and turn it off as much as possible. As an old film guy, we never had all this whiz-bang stuff that exists today and while IS is useful in some instances, it's overuse is often just a crutch for poor technique.

Oh, for heaven's sake. I'm an "old film guy" as well, but I also really appreciate the advantages that technology brings to the game. If "overuse" consists of being able to handhold a camera with a 100-400+TC lens at 560mm with a 1/100s (or longer) exposure and still get a sharp result... well, I'll be happy to be accused of using that "poor technique." Using a tripod is not always feasible, and that "whiz bang" technology available is an enabler for getting shots that otherwise would be completely impossible. I'm reminded of that all the time as I often find myself shooting in very challenging light.

Yes, many photographers do rely too heavily on tools like OIS, but it's also good to recognize that they can change the game in terms of enabling shooting situations that previouslyl weren't possible. I suspect your definition of "overuse" might be very different from mine.

I think in-body metering is just a crutch for those too lazy to use hand held meters.

 

[JoshDubya]

Agree about the overuse of IS. It can certainly be useful but I always try and turn it off as much as possible. As an old film guy, we never had all this whiz-bang stuff that exists today and while IS is useful in some instances, it's overuse is often just a crutch for poor technique.

I think in-body metering is just a crutch for those too lazy to use hand held meters.

Thank god you made this comment.

Every IBIS discussion gets the the "bring a tripod" or "get better technique" comments.

Those arguments are on a slippery slope. Why use a camera at all, bring your brushes and canvas and get better at painting!

 

[JoshDubya]

I'm surprised that a camera like this doesn't have IS. Is there any specific reason why it's not on this camera?

https://www.slrlounge.com/why-fuji-cant-add-ibis-to-x-systemdaily-roundup/

Fuji's excuse. Interesting. Well, they could always go the digital route with IBIS, crop the image a bit and stabilize. Use that in conjuntion with IBIS and the corners won't be any less quality then the rest of the photo.

Sadly I agree that it sounds like an excuse.

As I mentioned in a previous post :

The Sony E mount is 46mm, and offers IBIS for a full frame sensor.

Fuji's X mount is 44mm (5% smaller), while the sensor is 50% smaller, I don't understand when Fuji claims their mount diameter is the limiting factor in their implementation of IBIS! If their reason was something more plausible, I wouldn't be here posting on this thread.

Unless I am missing something here, they could go physical IBIS and not have to resort to digital IBIS.

 

[Sonamair]

Tell me your feelings for the differences in shooting that Sony compared to the T2 as well as the image quality

 

[dv312]

So far I think lack of IBIS (or OIS) is hurting my 60mm macro on the XT20

I can see shake under low light and lack of sharpness

Yes, IBIS would be useful with longer lenses and under less than optimal light

No matter what naysayers proclaim or claim

Been a long time Olympus user and IBIS does help more than hurt in most if not all situations

Cheers,