I think you mean "Cue"angry responses".I find it both funny and sad that people would rather forego a benefit to themselves than allow the "outsider" to "bash" what they perceive as "theirs." Happens all the time (I believe this is how wars between countries start).
The smaller and the quirkier the camera system is, the more defensively its adopters act--just look at the EOS-M forum
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We are not foregoing a benefit - because we do not see it as a benefit if it affects IQ which it does, because it will require software correction to vignetting. Even if this were not the case, I see no need for it on short FLs. It is another easy option for those who would not have got past the - how to put film in a camera stage - back in the day and who cannot shoot without auto options for everything. There is nothing wrong with progress but - a poor workman blames his tools.
Before Fuji X, I shot Nikon and had one stabilised lens - a 28-300 walkabout - all those super zoom types were stabilised. My other lenses up to 500mm were non-stabilised. I'm just about to swap my 18-55 OIS for a 16-55 f2.8 non-stabilised which is the nearest I've found to carrying several prime-quality lenses in one. I also use a 3rd party 300mm f4 lens with TCs - no OIS or AF. Obviously I have to use a monopod and good technique - but it works.
If IBIS had no detrimental affect on IQ and only benefited, then I would see no problem with it but even so it would not be a must have for me.
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Message to Fujifilm: "Superb lens with camera shake = crap photo"
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Even the best IBIS system is crap if you have motion blur.
Not exactly. Fuji says it is possible, and to paraphrase slightly:
"we could [implement IBIS and correct for vignetting digitally] but we don't want to do it; we don't want to compromise our image quality."
Fuji Managers: "IBIS? Not compatible with X-mount (Read Why)! We are Observing the Progress of Organic Sensor" - Fuji Rumors
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I would love to believe this at face value. But Fuji markets its x-trans sensors as being a random array, even when it is clear that they are not. So now this makes me question their statement about IBIS degrading image quality!
Indeed. I am very happy with my new system and migrated knowing full well I would lose IBIS.
But why all this hate for the suggestion to offer a feature that might make us even happier?
Actually, they are saying "no" as emphatically as I've ever seen a Japanese person say.
Again, this appears to be a very Japanese way of saying "NO". Here is the whole quote:
IBIS has both advantages and disadvantages. IBIS moves the sensor in the mount to stabilize the image. To secure the amount of light at any position, the diameter of mount must cover the wider image circle considering the margin of sensor movement. The diameter of our mount was designed for the image circle without IBIS. It means the amount of light at the corners is reduced when the sensor is shifted. We could correct it digitally, but we don’t want to do it: we don’t want to compromise our image quality.
To cover the larger image circle, not only mount size (and body size), but also lens size must be bigger. We are pursuing the best balance of image quality, size and weight of both cameras and lenses, operability and performance. When we were deciding on the design of our mount, we decided to provide the best quality body and lens in comfortable small package as the best balance. And we don’t think this direction will be changed in the future. Our highest priority is always image quality. We hope you agree!”
It's not hate, it's weariness. You sound happy already, I don't find your approach bothersome. But the OP sounds like a child stomping his foot. He doesn't have Fuji now and he wants us to hear his childish rant to Fuji. Oh how fun.
But you see, that's what I don't understand. It seems like many people's argument is IBIS instead of a tripod.
There are situations where either a tripod OR IBIS could be beneficial, but there are a lot of situations where one does not replace the other. I think it shows a lack of your photographic experience to think that IBIS can replace a tripod. Sometimes this is true, but often it is not. There are also situations where IBIS is the better tool. Your argument seems to be that IBIS replaces the tripod, and again, I question your level of experience.
Christof21 wrote:
There are situations where either a tripod OR IBIS could be beneficial, but there are a lot of situations where one does not replace the other. I think it shows a lack of your photographic experience to think that IBIS can replace a tripod. Sometimes this is true, but often it is not. There are also situations where IBIS is the better tool. Your argument seems to be that IBIS replaces the tripod, and again, I question your level of experience.
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Pretty funny when you read the post immediately before this one by Hypoxic.
And Photodiod's comment about people on this thread not speaking the same language, even though it is all English.
MarcosV
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Sounds too old school.
Just because such techniques have worked with every non-crappy photo that has been made with every Fujifilm, Canon DSLR, Nikon DSLR, film camera ever made up until now --- aside from using lenses with image stabilization --- doesn't matter. It's got to have the latest tech and bling or else it sucks.
Seriously, technology improvements are great. It really amazes me how good out of camera jpegs look on my latest smartphone. One day we'll probably have cameras that you aim in the general direction of a subject; the camera will be able to instantly compare what is in that direction against a huge database and figure out the best shot that can be made ala Ansel Adams, Henri Cartier-Bresson, swivel the lens on its gimbal, click its own shutter button, post-process, crop, and load the image to your favorite site.
None of that is going to improve your creative skills as a photographer. I went with Fuji over Sony because I wanted the better tools that better improved my photography. While I wished Fujifilm would have gone with a larger lens mount to allow the possibility of future IBIS; I am still fine buying lenses with OIS where it makes sense.
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I hope IBIS eventually finds its way into Fujifilm X cameras. I also think it's become somewhat of a crutch and responsible for a lot of photographers' sloppy technique. It'd certainly be helpful at longer focal lengths.
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I thought they would have said "our lowest priority is IQ" !!!
This is marketing. Soon we will have to thank them for not making the effort to include IBIS in their camera....
I had the last word, nobody can contradict me
Good ! Just kidding.
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The Sony E mount is 46mm, and offers IBIS for a full frame sensor.
Fuji's X mount is 44mm (5% smaller), while the sensor is 50% smaller, I don't understand when Fuji claims their mount diameter is the limiting factor in their implementation of IBIS! If their reason was something more plausible, I wouldn't be here posting on this thread.
This claim, and the claim that their CFA is random, makes me question ALL claims from their marketing/PR departments, and kind of resonates with the OP's point;
"Fujifilm's almost brazen, arrogant Steve-Job's-like statement -- "Fujifilm knows better than its users, so suck it up. We can do IBIS but we're not going to" -- flies in the face of the recent survey where most people want IBIS."
Sure the tone is inflammatory, but the message kind of makes sense.
Fuji is a great company, their optics, body design and JPEG departments are genius. But their marketing and PR departments are making claims that don't make sense, and are kind of insulting the intelligence of their users.
Wanted to clarify that the hate comment wasn't directed at you. I think your responses have been fair and respectful
And about the OP's childish rant, to be fair his post would not have gotten this much attention if his tone wasn't exactly the way it was
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