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pretty much exactly what it looked like in life.
It was beautiful. Bright sunny day, flowers everywhere.
The Canon may be a much better camera than the E-10,
but one thing you can't pick on is the color rendition of
the E-10. Not legitamately at least![]()
LOL - I can see the cat and chicken from where I am, and I can assure you that they're okay.The first shot is really nice, the second one is noisy and the
colors seems to be off.
Noise was always the problem - acknowledged, I think, by everyone. Colours was not.I am sure E-10 gives good photos, but I
have heard that it is difficult to get it (i.e. the constraint is
pretty large on what shutter speed to use etc.)
Well, let's just agree that colours are, on the whole, a matter of taste (when not obviously wrong).By default, 10D colors will look pretty bland, because i don't
think the normal mode in Canon does any type of post processing.
If you set it to "NORMAL" saturation and "NORMAL" contrast, you'll
end up with a fairly flat image. The good news is, you can adjust
it alot and it'll still be noise free. Since we all know you can
tweak colors in photoshop, the important thing (to me) for a
camera's image quality is NOISE, and ease of adjustments without
introducing noise. Crank up +1 on both, and you'll get better
photos (however, i typically adjust them in photoshop, mainly only
on saturation levels and kept contrast as is, and i convert the
images with the right "tone" (white balance)) D30 however, have
vivid colors after the conversion, but leaves you little room to
adjust later.
They are talking about twice the dynamic range, and almost no noise - from what I hear from users who've tried a pre-production model, this would appear to be true.I'll have to say, if E-1 images can be adjusted the same way 10D's
images could (or better, as they claimed),
Certainly as far as noise is concerned - a function of the small CCD, (and 3 year old technology indeed) I'll stick to my contention that the colours are excellent, though (whilst agreeing that the noise was not!).. But I really don't think that you can use the Exx series as a yardstick for the E1 - the body may be similar, but nothing else is.i'll be very very
impressed. I mean, if you can adjust the contrast/saturation/etc
with th wide latitude that 10D has and not introduce noise at ISO
100, it'll be a camera to reckon with. Also, if it truly have more
sampling points in HIGHLIGHTS (i.e. take a 1/2 - 1 stop overexposed
photo and adjust it down), then it'll be truly revolutionary. But
as far I can tell with E-10/E-20, there really isn't anything
"special" about the colors they produce compared to the slew of
DSLR out there currently. In fact, the noise level on them is
comparable to consumer cameras such as G2 or F717.
True, but the CCD should be able to handle it: the upper limit on the resolution of the E-1's sensor with its 6.8 micron photo-sites is the Nyquist frequency of about 73lp/mm, so it should be able to handle up to 60lp/mm fairly well.Unless the ccd can use it it is useless. I recall the hype Olympus
pulled over ED glass in the Exx: it was functionally useless
according a lens designer who studied their patent...
you're making me glad I bought an E-10![]()
Hahahaha! The C750 has a 10x zoom lens, not something that you'd expect to have amazing macro performance since it hasn't a dedicated macro lens. The only thing that the photographer did to help his cause was to enlist the help of a screw on doublet, certainly not the best way to obtain the absolute best closeup performance.The photo i took wasn't a macro glass, FYI, and I didn't crop
Besides, this is no counter. The insect looks fake (very metallic
colors, similar to many consumer digicams). it lack soul.
Impressive as a photographer's feat, but quality wise it lacked
something that most DSLR can produce. Besides, my photo is much
more interesting than just a macro photo of an insect.
--CCD, (and 3 year old technology indeed) I'll stick to my contentionCertainly as far as noise is concerned - a function of the small
that the colours are excellent, though (whilst agreeing that the
noise was not!).. But I really don't think that you can use the Exx
series as a yardstick for the E1 - the body may be similar, but
nothing else is.
kind regards
jono slack
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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--you're making me glad I bought an E-10![]()
--Here's one for color:
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Sharpened just a little (straight from camera with no sharpening)
in PS.
Tony
--you're making me glad I bought an E-10![]()
Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery
--Hahahaha! The C750 has a 10x zoom lens, not something that you'dThe photo i took wasn't a macro glass, FYI, and I didn't crop
Besides, this is no counter. The insect looks fake (very metallic
colors, similar to many consumer digicams). it lack soul.
Impressive as a photographer's feat, but quality wise it lacked
something that most DSLR can produce. Besides, my photo is much
more interesting than just a macro photo of an insect.
expect to have amazing macro performance since it hasn't a
dedicated macro lens. The only thing that the photographer did to
help his cause was to enlist the help of a screw on doublet,
certainly not the best way to obtain the absolute best closeup
performance.
It's funny how you like to shift your arguments when you realise
you don't have a point. Your original post was:
"Bigger glass = more light through the lens = more contrast. It's
true for medium format versus 35 mm, it'll be true for 10D versus
smaller glass SLR's.
Beat this with your Olympus E-10: " and you then proceeded to
attempt to prove the point with your desperately low contrast
picture.
Good grief, when someone shows you that you're wrong (those
closeups ARE contrastier and they were taken a camera with
waaaaaaaayy smaller glass than your 50mm prime), even to the extent
of taking you up on YOUR ludicrous proposition in the first place
("Bigger glass = more light through the lens = more contrast.), you
just weasel your way to another point!
You're definitely more entertaining than "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"
tonight!
Thanks for the good laugh.
--Hahahaha! The C750 has a 10x zoom lens, not something that you'dThe photo i took wasn't a macro glass, FYI, and I didn't crop
Besides, this is no counter. The insect looks fake (very metallic
colors, similar to many consumer digicams). it lack soul.
Impressive as a photographer's feat, but quality wise it lacked
something that most DSLR can produce. Besides, my photo is much
more interesting than just a macro photo of an insect.
expect to have amazing macro performance since it hasn't a
dedicated macro lens. The only thing that the photographer did to
help his cause was to enlist the help of a screw on doublet,
certainly not the best way to obtain the absolute best closeup
performance.
It's funny how you like to shift your arguments when you realise
you don't have a point. Your original post was:
"Bigger glass = more light through the lens = more contrast. It's
true for medium format versus 35 mm, it'll be true for 10D versus
smaller glass SLR's.
Beat this with your Olympus E-10: " and you then proceeded to
attempt to prove the point with your desperately low contrast
picture.
Good grief, when someone shows you that you're wrong (those
closeups ARE contrastier and they were taken a camera with
waaaaaaaayy smaller glass than your 50mm prime), even to the extent
of taking you up on YOUR ludicrous proposition in the first place
("Bigger glass = more light through the lens = more contrast.), you
just weasel your way to another point!
You're definitely more entertaining than "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"
tonight!
Thanks for the good laugh.
----CCD, (and 3 year old technology indeed) I'll stick to my contentionCertainly as far as noise is concerned - a function of the small
that the colours are excellent, though (whilst agreeing that the
noise was not!).. But I really don't think that you can use the Exx
series as a yardstick for the E1 - the body may be similar, but
nothing else is.
kind regards
jono slack
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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery
--lot's of people liked the Exx - for lots of reasons (although
probably none of them were to do with noise or write times ;-).
kind regards
jono slack
----CCD, (and 3 year old technology indeed) I'll stick to my contentionCertainly as far as noise is concerned - a function of the small
that the colours are excellent, though (whilst agreeing that the
noise was not!).. But I really don't think that you can use the Exx
series as a yardstick for the E1 - the body may be similar, but
nothing else is.
kind regards
jono slack
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--that second photo you posted is hopeless.
There is no detail in "out of focus" pictures.
I know you used F1.8, but c'mon, where is the
detail in something that is beyond the DOF?
Besides, we are arguing about color, remember?
That second shot does not show good color either.
So far in what you've shown me, my E-10's color rendition
is much better.
Regards
Joe