Most are missing why the E-M1 mark II sensor is often better than even APSC or FF

[FLruckas]

This is not a global shutter.

 

[FLruckas]

There are 2 versions of the URSA mini.

One has global shutter.



Your stats are for the that doesn't have global shutter.

 

[Tommi K1]

This is not a global shutter.

No it ain't.... I didn't say it is. But next best thing is a global shutter sensor....

We are already so marginal rolling shutter effects that it doesn't matter. But the global shutter would open a lot about flashes and many other things.

 

[FLruckas]

This is not a global shutter.

No it ain't.... I didn't say it is. But next best thing is a global shutter sensor....

We are already so marginal rolling shutter effects that it doesn't matter. But the global shutter would open a lot about flashes and many other things.

He should have pointed out that the URSA mini number he posted was for the 4.6 camera and he should have included the USRA 4k that has a global shutter and therefore 0 rolling shutter.

It was misleading.

I've had a BMPC for 2 years.

I specifically bought it because it had global shutter.

I looked at the Digital Bolex but decided to pass on it.

It is good that the EM1 II has low rolling shutter.

I'm all for that.

But it's still not global shutter.

 

[Paul De Bra]

If indeed Sony were to apply the same technology to an apc-s and a full field, sensor, wouldn't sensor readout speed still be faster with the M43 sensor as readout speed would necessarily decrease in proportion to sensor size?

True, but the speed of light is still high enough to enable improvement in all sensor sizes.

For me improvement in sensors in a digital *photo*camera is all about image quality. I do not care about video or taking pictures in such rapid succession that it could just as well be video.

 

[FLruckas]

But everyone else did.

The number of people who don't care about video in their SLR is becoming less than a single percentile.....

Just kidding...

Well....

Sort of...

And the OP was about significant video performance of this sensor....

 

[Fun 4 all]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

 

[Fun 4 all]

I posted links to the cameras in question so there would be no doubt in the OP.

It is sad you had to make up misleading statements about things I never said. Everything I posted was factual.

 

[Fun 4 all]

I even posted a link to the camera I mentioned in the OP.

But at least you agree I was right about it.

 

[FLruckas]

• The E-M1 mark II scored ----------------10ms.
• Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4.6k ---14ms.
• Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4k --- 0ms (Global shutter)
• a7s II FF 4K ------------------30.4 ms (30.2-30.6)
• XT2 4k ------------------------ 30.7 ms
• a7R II--------------------------- 33.3 ms (35.6-32.2-32.8-35.3-32.6-31.1)
  RX100 IV 4K ----------------- 36.6 ms (36.4-36.7)
  a6300/a6500 4K 24fps --- 39.0 ms (39.2-38.9)

You were misleading....

Your table did NOT include the URSA mini 4k and the fact that it has global shutter and 0 rolling shutter.

Saying that users can go to the camera website while you provide misleading information is bogus.

You leave it to them to find your deception.



And to top it off, you knew what you were doing.

Trying to make your post look better.....

What a shmuck.

Just kidding about the schmuck part.....

Well sort of.....

;-)

 

[JakeJY]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

--
One of the last Samsung Zombie system users. And still waiting for something to come close.

with the speed of the e shutter read out? what about the Nikon 1 series?

I believe it's 1/80 (12.5 ms) for the v3 with 18.4MP. It's also one of the best in the ILC market, but the 20.4MP EM1 apparently beats it if 10ms is true.

Keep in mind that there will not be a generic time applicable to the entire Nikon 1 series. The MP it has to read out (some of the earlier cameras like the J1 only had 10.1MP) and differences in the sensor design will change the numbers.

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

 

[JakeJY]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

This is not a global shutter.

It beats some dedicated video cameras that some thought had global shutters. It has many of the benefits we wanted a global shutter for.

A global shutter is the goal, but this is very close and there is no other ILC on the market that can compete today.

 

[Adrian Harris]

No need to use mechanical shutter any more!

Don't you pay an exposure penalty when using the electronic shutter? That has been the case with every other camera so far.

I have used electronic shutter almost exclusively for over 3 years (Panasonic gx7 then gx8) no exposure penalty whatsoever with the gx8.

I was particularly interested in the OP's comments as the 20ms (I believe) readout on the gx8 does warp helicopter rotor blades and most annoyingly is susceptible to banding in certain sports halls.

Can I assume that the em1-mk2 electronic shutter is not susceptible to banding with any types of artificial lighting?

 

[Okapi001]

Can I assume that the em1-mk2 electronic shutter is not susceptible to banding with any types of artificial lighting?

No, you can certainly not assume that.

 

[mcabato]

And some say that it is Sony designed and fabricated sensor.... While it just magically beats all the sensors Sony has put out? Well known that Sony puts out best sensors for itself when new ones.

one thing is to deign a senso rand another thing is to just produce the sensor.

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[Fun 4 all]

My table didn't include the T2i nor the Fz1000.

It is hilarious you are so upset I didn't list every camera ever made. DVXuser.com was rating CMOS cameras and you appear to be extremely upset that few care about non-stills cameras in a photography forum

Nice try though.

 

[JakeJY]

• The E-M1 mark II scored ----------------10ms.
• Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4.6k ---14ms.
• Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4k --- 0ms (Global shutter)
• a7s II FF 4K ------------------30.4 ms (30.2-30.6)
• XT2 4k ------------------------ 30.7 ms
• a7R II--------------------------- 33.3 ms (35.6-32.2-32.8-35.3-32.6-31.1)
  RX100 IV 4K ----------------- 36.6 ms (36.4-36.7)
  a6300/a6500 4K 24fps --- 39.0 ms (39.2-38.9)

You were misleading....

Your table did NOT include the URSA mini 4k and the fact that it has global shutter and 0 rolling shutter.

Saying that users can go to the camera website while you provide misleading information is bogus.

You leave it to them to find your deception.



And to top it off, you knew what you were doing.

Trying to make your post look better.....

What a shmuck.

Just kidding about the schmuck part.....

Well sort of.....

;-)

I think what you are posting is misleading. A global shutter does not mean a 0ms readout speed. Global shutter only means that the entire sensor is read out at once, but there is still a readout speed. That readout speed will limit the max full sensor fps your camera can do.