JPEG only work flow...

[Thirsty_Fox]

I've been using Sony mirrorless since around 2011 and I have to say, the latest bodies with the AI processor have by far the nicest JPEGs of any of them, and some of my favourite of any cameras. The a6700 and A7RV with its white balance sensor, at least.

It's only since getting these that I shoot JPEG quite a bit. You can still get away with small tweaks to colours if needed, especially with 61mp and downscaling for social media anyways. Always RAW for client work but that's partially for editing, and partially for having the 'digital negatives' that seem to imply property rights to the photos.

I'd have to double-check but I'm pretty sure the JPEGs in the A7RV are always 61mp for normal shooting and 26mp in Super35mm APSC crop mode, unlike RAW where you can select the RAW to be 26mp for both cases. Very handy.

Double check but I set jpegs to medium 26MP in FF mode and leave jpegs set to the default in apsc mode which is 26MP.

Thirsty Fox is mistaken.

https://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/2230/v1/en/contents/TP0003057051.html

You have a choice of aspect ratio and image size for JPEG.

In FF, assuming 3:2 aspect ratio:

L = 60 megapixels

M = 26 megapixels

S = 15 megapixels

(exactly the same sizes as you get for lossless compressed RAW - RAW-L, RAW-M, and RAW-S).

In APS-C, assuming 3:2 aspect ratio you get the M and S sizes (no L for obvious reasons).

Yes you are correct. I remember reading it some time ago, but I can't remember well at this point. I love the JPEGs from the A7RV but I only use it with RAW (for work).

I do love that you can set it to shoot in 26MP (RAW or JPEG) whether it's FF or Super35mm APSC crop mode. It's like having two lenses in one without necessarily having to deal with the larger files.

I do seem to recall the 61 MP JPEGs in XtraFine had a lot of room to tweak in post, especially if you're downsampling to a smaller output resolution afterwards.

Another reason I don't traditionally use JPEG for work shots is colour consisitency throughout an event, since the camera isn't constantly changing it. It's probably a non-issue with this particular camera with the WB sensor and AI chip, but in general that was the case.

If you're good at nailing exposure in-camera and like your JPEG settings, absolutely shoot in JPEG. I think some people would be surprised how much you can do in post on a low-compression and high-res JPEG.

 

[AlephNull]

I'm really thinking if an HEIF workflow would not be the ideal solution, to still keep the speed and give some room for editing just in case.

It's 10bit, right? Way better (4x better) than 8bit from JPEG but of course still not to the level of RAW, but it would be like a JPEG workflow on steroids.

Of course the main issue is the lack of HEIF support, but if the editors are open source, it's easy to add support (I can add it myself if you want!). I already created my own file viewer with HEIC support (iPhone) and I'm curious if I can support the Sony HEIF files too.

And honestly, companies need to start adding AVIF support in addition (or instead of) HEIF. It's royalty free, and it's a superior format.

I stopped using HEIF, because I use Dropbox to save and watch my pictures if I am on my smartphone or iPad, I use the iPad a lot. No HEIF support. It’s a loose-loose with innovations: people don’t use it, because it’s not supported in their software, and the software developers don’t integrate it, because it isn’t broadly used. Damn.

I admit I haven't tried it, but I'm surprised iPad doesn't support HEIF - Apple has been behind HEIF.

I looked it up - it's supported by iOS (from version 11), iPadOS, and MacOS (from High Sierra). I wonder if they have some wrinkle to their version of HEIF?

 

[DirkPeh]

I'm really thinking if an HEIF workflow would not be the ideal solution, to still keep the speed and give some room for editing just in case.

It's 10bit, right? Way better (4x better) than 8bit from JPEG but of course still not to the level of RAW, but it would be like a JPEG workflow on steroids.

Of course the main issue is the lack of HEIF support, but if the editors are open source, it's easy to add support (I can add it myself if you want!). I already created my own file viewer with HEIC support (iPhone) and I'm curious if I can support the Sony HEIF files too.

And honestly, companies need to start adding AVIF support in addition (or instead of) HEIF. It's royalty free, and it's a superior format.

I stopped using HEIF, because I use Dropbox to save and watch my pictures if I am on my smartphone or iPad, I use the iPad a lot. No HEIF support. It’s a loose-loose with innovations: people don’t use it, because it’s not supported in their software, and the software developers don’t integrate it, because it isn’t broadly used. Damn.

I admit I haven't tried it, but I'm surprised iPad doesn't support HEIF - Apple has been behind HEIF.

I looked it up - it's supported by iOS (from version 11), iPadOS, and MacOS (from High Sierra). I wonder if they have some wrinkle to their version of HEIF?

But the Dropbox app on iOS doesn’t support it and the photos app doesn’t fit my workflow at all, I need to watch my dropbox files.

 

[MyReality]

I'm really thinking if an HEIF workflow would not be the ideal solution, to still keep the speed and give some room for editing just in case.

It's 10bit, right? Way better (4x better) than 8bit from JPEG but of course still not to the level of RAW, but it would be like a JPEG workflow on steroids.

Of course the main issue is the lack of HEIF support, but if the editors are open source, it's easy to add support (I can add it myself if you want!). I already created my own file viewer with HEIC support (iPhone) and I'm curious if I can support the Sony HEIF files too.

And honestly, companies need to start adding AVIF support in addition (or instead of) HEIF. It's royalty free, and it's a superior format.

I stopped using HEIF, because I use Dropbox to save and watch my pictures if I am on my smartphone or iPad, I use the iPad a lot. No HEIF support. It’s a loose-loose with innovations: people don’t use it, because it’s not supported in their software, and the software developers don’t integrate it, because it isn’t broadly used. Damn.

I admit I haven't tried it, but I'm surprised iPad doesn't support HEIF - Apple has been behind HEIF.

I looked it up - it's supported by iOS (from version 11), iPadOS, and MacOS (from High Sierra). I wonder if they have some wrinkle to their version of HEIF?

But the Dropbox app on iOS doesn’t support it and the photos app doesn’t fit my workflow at all, I need to watch my dropbox files.

I think you can convert HEIF to JPEG.

 

[DirkPeh]

If conversion is needed to see my pictures on a device I could as well shoot only RAW. This thread is about convenience too.