Is 7d2 Game Changing? Does it get 10 fps?

[Thunder123]

tell that to my A77ii that can shoot 13FPS, and yes with conditions - anything above roughly 8 FPS comes with conditions no matter what make of Camera

Why don't you head over to the Sony forum - you have nothing to contribute here!

Sadder still, he owns a Sony and he's got nothing to contribute there either, unless they WANT to see 11FPS shots of pictures on his wall.

He can probably shoot 30 FPS if all that's wanted is a soft clicking noise.

another poor attitude poster.

when they have nothing else to contribute - insult the poster

 

[Midwest]

tell that to my A77ii that can shoot 13FPS, and yes with conditions - anything above roughly 8 FPS comes with conditions no matter what make of Camera

Why don't you head over to the Sony forum - you have nothing to contribute here!

Sadder still, he owns a Sony and he's got nothing to contribute there either, unless they WANT to see 11FPS shots of pictures on his wall.

He can probably shoot 30 FPS if all that's wanted is a soft clicking noise.

another poor attitude poster.

when they have nothing else to contribute - insult the poster

I'm asking you to contribute more than quotes from owners manuals. And more than photos of static objects on your wall. Seriously, I'd be pleased to see what your camera can do.

 

[Thunder123]

tell that to my A77ii that can shoot 13FPS, and yes with conditions - anything above roughly 8 FPS comes with conditions no matter what make of Camera

Why don't you head over to the Sony forum - you have nothing to contribute here!

Sadder still, he owns a Sony and he's got nothing to contribute there either, unless they WANT to see 11FPS shots of pictures on his wall.

He can probably shoot 30 FPS if all that's wanted is a soft clicking noise.

another poor attitude poster.

when they have nothing else to contribute - insult the poster

I'm asking you to contribute more than quotes from owners manuals. And more than photos of static objects on your wall. Seriously, I'd be pleased to see what your camera can do.

why are you are so concerned about my picture of the wall, that showed 12 FPS rate in dim lighting

Do you have any requests of what I should shoot next in dim lighting?

 

[elfroggio]

Doesn't that make it a game changer? Suddenly, lots of people who would never have considered buying a camera with pro-level AF can now get one. I'm not sure what a game-changer would be, if that isn't one.

No, not for me. A game changer is a camera that will make better photos.

Now the Jay Maisel's: Light, Gesture, and Color http://www.amazon.com/Light-Gesture-Color-Voices-Matter/dp/0134032268 that is a game changer in my books (pun intended)

It's a great camera...

 

[Karl Gnter Wnsch]

that is really a poor attitude, I thought you had more knowledge to share

I have quite a lot more knowledge to share - more than you can for the 7DII about which this thread is about. The Sony performance has no relevance in this context and thus your whole trolling has no place here.

 

[rrccad]

With fixed focus on the first shot like the 7Dii the A77ii beats it with 12 FPS

The 7D2 does not have to fix focus or aperture to obtain 10 fps, nor does the aperture have to be f/3.5 or faster. It continuously AF tracks at 10 fps. In aperture priority mode it will adjust the exposure via aperture, also at 10 fps.

Canon has said that iTR tracking, which is a specific type of AF tracking, will slow the rate to 9.5 fps.

I'll be up front that I do not have an A77ii in hand to test, so if Sony's literature is incorrect or misleading then my next statement is wrong. But from their literature it would appear that the A77ii cannot AF track or adjust exposure while shooting at 12 fps. Else where it has been mentioned that the aperture must be f/3.5 or faster, though it does not say that on this particular page.

You seem to forget that in order to get 10FPS - the 7D needs the widest aperture and AF tracking turned off

no it doesn't. it needed wide open aperture on some select 15-20 year old lenses to maintain 10 fps on those specfic lenses.

 

[K E Hoffman]

The manual wording is really bad. What it is saying is the camera in AF-C keeps "locked on" Focus.. and updating exposure while shooting. IE it tracks

Fair enough.

But being forced to use the lens' widest aperture (or at least f/3.5) is a limitation that would render it an 8 fps camera...for me at least...for many situations. I would be frustrated with that and would probably call it an 8 fps camera that can sometimes do 12 fps.

I can see that.. though in general the distances I am shooting at with tuned AF F3.5 - 5.6 is fine is fine. But it does take some options away.

I feel like 8/12 vs. 10 is half dozen of one vs. 6 of the other.

In AF-C it tracks .. and I have ALL my tracking modes available .

Nice. Sony should correct/improve the manual page.

Keep in mind I am not being locked into 1/1000 or faster to do it.

Just in case this is a reference to Gary Fong's interpretation of Canon's manual, the 7D2 does not need 1/1000 or faster to hold 10 fps. Nor is the 7D2 locked to the widest aperture.

If I want continuous tracking at the 3.5 or lens minimum aperture. I have ALL my tracking options available not a limited set.

You have all the 7D2's tracking options all the time, though iTR on can slow it down to 9.5 fps.

BTW the Canon manual says the lens should be wide open and 1/1000 to get to 10 FPS and we all know that also means if you do everything the manual says.. the camera may still find a reason to slow down.

You are misinterpreting the manual. Canon did not say you must use those settings to achieve 10 fps. They said those were they settings they used in testing. That's a big difference.

Sounds like Both Sony and Canon need to put more attention into well written manuals.. because I read it the same say Gary did. though as a professional marketer what that tells me is that its under 9.5 FPS a lot of the time so they gave you the situation that they told legal allowed them to claim 10 FPS. 9FPS vs 10 FPS not a big deal except in the marketing numbers game.

I use the 12 FPS sometimes grabbing things like kids jumping the extra 3-4 FPS actually helps in capturing some parts of the action I would have missed . but in general use the 8 FPS for cross country etc.

There are plenty of 7D2 owners here to test, but I would guess the shutter would slow down the fps at 1/125 or slower...possibly 1/250. The aperture will depend on the lens, but with a 300 f/4L IS I would bet it doesn't slow down until f/11 if not f/16.

I can tell you have pulled 11.9 FPS at 1/60 on the Sony.. But would I use it in that case.. rarely.. again just looking at numbers..

There are some features on the 7DII I would love to have.. but more I would not give up.. but we get trained to a system so that is not a surprise.

 

[rrccad]

For $1799 on Sony
I can get a Sony A77M2, Amazing weather sealed 16-50 F 2.8 lens, a vertical battery grip the replicates the main control set on the grip.. and Still have enough to pick up a very nice 55-300mm Refurb tele-zoom online to get me going.

how's that advantage when you want to purchase a 500mm 4.0?

 

[K E Hoffman]

I just tried my 7D2 at 1/100 of a second at f/9 (the lens's max aperture is f/5.6). 10 fps, just like all the other settings I've used. AI Servo, by the way. Look, I don't know much about your Sony, but for all practical intents and purposes, the 7D2 is a 10 fps camera.

FF

Sounds to me like a badly written manual (Sony manuals SUCK too ) and some marketing people who had to document a situation they got 10 FPS because it will vary a lot. But many read that as a rule vs a tested situation and created confusion..

I can tell you the Sony has been tested to almost 14 FPS under perfect conditions.. we choose cameras for a lot more than 1-2 FPS.. so its not a big deal just measuring the sticks for no good reason

 

[Karl Gnter Wnsch]

we choose cameras for a lot more than 1-2 FPS.. so its not a big deal just measuring the sticks for no good reason

Comparing apples and oranges: The Sony not only locks down the aperture it also doesn't even meter when in this moronic implemented speed mode - no wonder that it achieves it's speed in low light, it doesn't do anything between shots!

 

[K E Hoffman]

For $1799 on Sony

I can get a Sony A77M2, Amazing weather sealed 16-50 F 2.8 lens, a vertical battery grip the replicates the main control set on the grip.. and Still have enough to pick up a very nice 55-300mm Refurb tele-zoom online to get me going.

how's that advantage when you want to purchase a 500mm 4.0?

I can get two bodies for the price of one .. mount one on the Big 500mm and the other on a sporty 70-200 F28.

http://store.sony.com/500mm-f4-g-ss...All-Full-Frame-A-Mount-Lenses?_t=pfm=category

We all know that when one pulls out the $10K lens example you had nothing else to offer.

the A77M2 matches up well to the 7DII for half the price.. Each they have enough in common to be compared and enough different that different photographers will like one camera over the other.

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K.E.H. >> Shooting between raindrops in WA<<
Don't Panic!.. these are just opinions... go take some pictures..

 

[DaveInMD]

I've enjoyed the several threads on the 7DII frame rate debate. There seem to be three opinions, and I don't think any of them will budge.

1) Mr. Fong has not been able to achieve Canon's claimed 10 fps with his 7DII.

2) DP forum members have achieved 10 fps with their 7DIIs

3) Thunder123 points out the A77ii achieves 10+ fps.

If these threads go on until next Christmas, I bet we'll find the majority of owners' 7DIIs do come at least reasonably close to 10 fps, Mr. Fong will continue to demonstrate that his camera will not, and Thunder will continue the non-sequiturs, using the A77ii frame rate as bait for trolling. I think we've reached an equilibrium.

And I'll continue enjoying it

Merry Christmas, everyone

 

[Calliope]

I've enjoyed the several threads on the 7DII frame rate debate. There seem to be three opinions, and I don't think any of them will budge.

1) Mr. Fong has not been able to achieve Canon's claimed 10 fps with his 7DII.

2) DP forum members have achieved 10 fps with their 7DIIs

3) Thunder123 points out the A77ii achieves 10+ fps.

If these threads go on until next Christmas, I bet we'll find the majority of owners' 7DIIs do come at least reasonably close to 10 fps, Mr. Fong will continue to demonstrate that his camera will not, and Thunder will continue the non-sequiturs, using the A77ii frame rate as bait for trolling. I think we've reached an equilibrium.

And I'll continue enjoying it

Merry Christmas, everyone

Merry Christmas!

 

[Bravoexo_pxb]

what do you think?

For years, especially after getting my 40D, that it had a 6.5fps burst shot speed... that everyone, every reviewer, would 'test' the continuous shooting mode with a moving object... Gary even mentioned the train set he wanted to use for his firs encounter w/ the 7D2.

I think it's a clash of sport/event/action/wildlife photographers...who live and shoot w/ continuous burst all day/night ... and find value with everything that happens to get as many of those shots in those bursts to be in focus, in proper exposure, in satisfactory ISO levels.... as oppose to those who think shooting at a still subject is the same thing and it's a numbers game.

I dread to hear about the next thing they find misrepresented or disappointing with the Canon 7D Mark II. Anyone getting a cut off Lens Flare, perhaps? I heard Gary Fong was going to get a new card to test the buffer count...

 

[Flying Fish]

All I was saying is that the "information" you posted about the Canon 7D2 was completely wrong.

FF

 

[steelhead3]

we choose cameras for a lot more than 1-2 FPS.. so its not a big deal just measuring the sticks for no good reason

Comparing apples and oranges: The Sony not only locks down the aperture it also doesn't even meter when in this moronic implemented speed mode - no wonder that it achieves it's speed in low light, it doesn't do anything between shots!

 

[MAC]

12FPS with Continuous AF with tracking available - it only locks the Aperture

That's enough to render it useless - because if you need f/1.8 indoors to get the background out of focus or the required shutter speed you are out of luck, as much as you are out of luck stopping down to f/13 because you need the DOF...

- you can adjust exposure and ISO to set your shutter speed

Not really.

Plus the sensor is the leading one in this category.

That lead is non existant for higher ISO settings than ISO-200 - and overall it lost it's advantage due to the mirror taking 2/3rd of a stop away in the light path.

And given all these hypothetical advantages it still sucks at tracking because of the lack of a viewfinder image...

exactamundo - pros don't use electronic viewfinders nor sony's nor mirrorless for action photography

and

sony only has about six native lenses - all expensive...and the alternative is an adapter at $350

they are releasing a new iteration every six months - which will frustrate users

the sony will do some nice stills and have good IQ for stills, but none of the sports pros I know will use one for action/sports -

optical viewfinder and tracking - canon and nikon dominate sports and action

don't think body -- a body doesn't take a shot -- - think system

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regards
Karl Günter Wünsch

 

[rrccad]

For $1799 on Sony

I can get a Sony A77M2, Amazing weather sealed 16-50 F 2.8 lens, a vertical battery grip the replicates the main control set on the grip.. and Still have enough to pick up a very nice 55-300mm Refurb tele-zoom online to get me going.

how's that advantage when you want to purchase a 500mm 4.0?

I can get two bodies for the price of one .. mount one on the Big 500mm and the other on a sporty 70-200 F28.

http://store.sony.com/500mm-f4-g-ss...All-Full-Frame-A-Mount-Lenses?_t=pfm=category

We all know that when one pulls out the $10K lens example you had nothing else to offer.

not really .. but for what canon is at least gearing the 7DII is the focal limited cropped camera, a wide angle lens isn't usually what's attached. so yeah .. the 70-400/300-600mm telephotos are most assuredly to be considered.

sony may have a cheaper body - but the kit afterwards isn't much cheaper. the A77II was 1199 at release, the 7DII, 1799.

just because sony can't even give them away and dumped the price after a 8 months isn't exactly indicative of much.

 

[Endos]

12FPS with Continuous AF with tracking available - it only locks the Aperture

That's enough to render it useless - because if you need f/1.8 indoors to get the background out of focus or the required shutter speed you are out of luck, as much as you are out of luck stopping down to f/13 because you need the DOF...

- you can adjust exposure and ISO to set your shutter speed

Not really.

Plus the sensor is the leading one in this category.

That lead is non existant for higher ISO settings than ISO-200 - and overall it lost it's advantage due to the mirror taking 2/3rd of a stop away in the light path.

And given all these hypothetical advantages it still sucks at tracking because of the lack of a viewfinder image...

exactamundo - pros don't use electronic viewfinders nor sony's nor mirrorless for action photography

and

sony only has about six native lenses - all expensive...and the alternative is an adapter at $350

they are releasing a new iteration every six months - which will frustrate users

the sony will do some nice stills and have good IQ for stills, but none of the sports pros I know will use one for action/sports -

optical viewfinder and tracking - canon and nikon dominate sports and action

don't think body -- a body doesn't take a shot -- - think system

 

[jeminijoseph]

I just bought this body as a companion to the 1DX I own. While I've only had it a few days, it has quite a bit of similarity with the 1DX especially in the AF system (7DII has a few more AF points). Also the menu options are very close to the 1DX, so if you don't want the $$ outlay of the 1DX, this should do nicely. So in this respect it's a game changer at cost/benefit.

I plan on using it to extend the "reach" (FOV, actually) of an EF 500mm and Tamron 150-600 I own for wildlife shooting. I tested the frame rate and it buffers about 20 raws @ 10 FPS very nicely and drains quickly to the cards (1066 lexar and 600x UHS-1 SD).

Preliminary tests look good, but until the bad weather we've been having decides to leave, I can't give it a full field test. I'll try and do this in the next week or so at my favorite wildlife refuge (Bombay Hook).

I can say the AF system behaves just like my 1DX, so I expect a high "hit" rate with this body.

(I shoot 2 bodies when in the field, one with the fixed length 500mm and 1.4xTC and with the Tamron).

--dennis

I was waiting for an opinion of a 1DX user. I have D4 and bought 7DII as second body. Anyhow after using it for a while it does't give me the confidence of D4. In theory both have same FPS and 7DII have enough buffer. But the issue is the success rate of the AF especially in a sequence or a quick snapshot of a bird flying by. In a sequence (bird flying towards you), I get fewer in focus shots. I assume 1Dx will have same or better success rate than D4. If u can give us your honest opinion we'd appreciate it.
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Thanks
Jemini Joseph

www.wildbirdimages.com