If 5dmk4 has no new sensor

[Digitalis32]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

I'm sure the photographic community will be simply crushed if you did that, and Canons finances will be dealt a devastating blow, they might have to lay off a few thousand workers to keep their stockholders happy....by the way, who are you again?

/sarcasm

i dont think your tone helps....its post like this that is the start of getting a thread locked and is no way go towards a healthy debate

I know, you're right. I just get very tired of people expecting a huge company like Canon to pander to their specific needs, and when Canon doesn't deliver they threaten to change systems. Economically, people switching mounts on a whim is just a drop in the ocean.

It's not on a whim. I've been shooting Canon for nearly 40 years and would really like a FF higher res camera for landscape and street work. I've not taken the plunge simply because Canon over the past few models has not shown a camera that truly interests me and the low ISO DR issue is a part of it. I don't like Nikon's ergo's, UI or lens offerings so they've never been an option and to me Sony is an entertainment company, not a camera company and I don't trust them. I've also had several Sony product disasters and I'm not interested in going there again.

I'm a quad system shooter, Canon, Nikon, Leica, Pentax. To be honest the Canon 1 series cameras have been seeing the least amount of work the past few years. I don't trust Sony either, they have taken Minolta - but they will never get the same respect that I held for Minolta (RIP).

So I got tired of waiting and bought big into a Fuji XT1 system last year and am now dual system. The Fuji has at least a stop better shadow performance than any Canon APS C (7D my latest) and probably even Canon FF and I've come to appreciate the flexibility of the Fuji raw files. I made the move for the smaller & lighter size, retro controls and excellent optics but once I worked raw files in post and experienced the clean shadows I'm even less enthusiastic about Canon's offerings but I appreciate that YMMV.

Camera form factors and sensor architecture are going to be the new battleground once the MP wars reach a plateau - though with current trends it seems likely Hades will freeze over before that ever occurs. I enjoy working with my M9 and Monochrom, though I admit: I love the Monochrom more than my M9. The Pentax 645Z and Leica S suit my commercial studio and on location duties, the Nikon is for action and sports and the Leica Ms and Pentax K DSLRs are for travel.

That was $5000+ of my money that Canon didn't get and I'm sure they don't care or at least that's the way they act. Now much of the Canon gear is getting sold so even if they do come out with a better sensor it's probably too little too late for me but again, Canon probably doesn't care but maybe they should.

Bob

They still don't care, and they probably will never care - Canon can recoup that lost $5000 in an instant.

 

[Studiosheep]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

Another gear head. You just want new technology. I shoot with 5d2 and it still produces quality photos.

 

[davev8]

its just not acceptable that I will have to pay so much for a camera which is already beaten by smaller sensors and cheaper cameras, and the leaps in sensor tech and what will soon come from panasonic have me worried

I always find comments like this amazing -- and the reason why I tend to think that most of this DR discussion is driven by nothing more than DR envy on the part of many Canon users. There is nothing said about photography here, it looks like you just want a better number on some spec sheet or a higher rating in a review.

you do have to wonder.

how on earth did we take photos with digital cameras when there was only 9EV of DR instead of even the miniscule 11EV on canon sensors?

with out looking is the 6D 12EV?

 

[Nick5]

I do not drink the "Dynamic Range" Kool-Aid.

I look at the entire "Body" of work and support system.

 

[ppires85]

its just not acceptable that I will have to pay so much for a camera which is already beaten by smaller sensors and cheaper cameras, and the leaps in sensor tech and what will soon come from panasonic have me worried

I always find comments like this amazing -- and the reason why I tend to think that most of this DR discussion is driven by nothing more than DR envy on the part of many Canon users. There is nothing said about photography here, it looks like you just want a better number on some spec sheet or a higher rating in a review.

you do have to wonder.

how on earth did we take photos with digital cameras when there was only 9EV of DR instead of even the miniscule 11EV on canon sensors?

with out looking is the 6D 12EV?

Well, everybody worked in the past with 1MB hd, why can't we just keep that way? .

 

[Light Pilgrim]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

Another gear head. You just want new technology. I shoot with 5d2 and it still produces quality photos.

In this case, Canon should have stopped developing their cameras....because 5D MKII produces great photos Mission accomplished-)

 

[NancyP]

Will it be the Perfect (Tm) sensor? Who knows? I am just plodding along with my 6D, which is a better camera than I am a photographer.

 

[gavin]

I will just stick with my 5DII since I thought the 5DIII was not a big enough improvement. However since they already made the 50Mp 5Ds/r I am pretty sure they will make a new sensor. I don't need the 50Mp but I would like better noise at high ISO and DR too which are my main purchase criteria.

 

[KatManDEW]

its just not acceptable that I will have to pay so much for a camera which is already beaten by smaller sensors and cheaper cameras, and the leaps in sensor tech and what will soon come from panasonic have me worried

I always find comments like this amazing -- and the reason why I tend to think that most of this DR discussion is driven by nothing more than DR envy on the part of many Canon users. There is nothing said about photography here, it looks like you just want a better number on some spec sheet or a higher rating in a review.

you do have to wonder.

how on earth did we take photos with digital cameras when there was only 9EV of DR instead of even the miniscule 11EV on canon sensors?

with out looking is the 6D 12EV?

Well, everybody worked in the past with 1MB hd, why can't we just keep that way? .

I agree. After all, Microsoft said that no one will ever need more than 640 kilobytes of system memory.

 

[Paul B Jones]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

Why will you have no choice? You currently have one of the greatest kits ever assembled in the history of photography. What difference is the sensor on the 5D4 going to make to your craft?

 

[rwbaron]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

Another gear head. You just want new technology. I shoot with 5d2 and it still produces quality photos.

In this case, Canon should have stopped developing their cameras....because 5D MKII produces great photos Mission accomplished-)

And those Packards were great cars too. ;-)

 

[rrccad]

its just not acceptable that I will have to pay so much for a camera which is already beaten by smaller sensors and cheaper cameras, and the leaps in sensor tech and what will soon come from panasonic have me worried

I always find comments like this amazing -- and the reason why I tend to think that most of this DR discussion is driven by nothing more than DR envy on the part of many Canon users. There is nothing said about photography here, it looks like you just want a better number on some spec sheet or a higher rating in a review.

you do have to wonder.

how on earth did we take photos with digital cameras when there was only 9EV of DR instead of even the miniscule 11EV on canon sensors?

with out looking is the 6D 12EV?

Well, everybody worked in the past with 1MB hd, why can't we just keep that way? .

not the same thing.

did the sun or atmospheric conditions change dramatically in the last 5 years that all of a sudden we need higher amounts of DR?

All of a sudden higher DR is absolutely mandatory to the pursuit of the craft of photography?

 

[ppires85]

its just not acceptable that I will have to pay so much for a camera which is already beaten by smaller sensors and cheaper cameras, and the leaps in sensor tech and what will soon come from panasonic have me worried

I always find comments like this amazing -- and the reason why I tend to think that most of this DR discussion is driven by nothing more than DR envy on the part of many Canon users. There is nothing said about photography here, it looks like you just want a better number on some spec sheet or a higher rating in a review.

you do have to wonder.

how on earth did we take photos with digital cameras when there was only 9EV of DR instead of even the miniscule 11EV on canon sensors?

with out looking is the 6D 12EV?

Well, everybody worked in the past with 1MB hd, why can't we just keep that way? .

not the same thing.

did the sun or atmospheric conditions change dramatically in the last 5 years that all of a sudden we need higher amounts of DR?

All of a sudden higher DR is absolutely mandatory to the pursuit of the craft of photography?

It has been throughly discussed how useful that would be. I'm not even necessarily talking about that actually.

What I meant is that you can be forgiving with technology when it is not available yet, but after that... It is something hard to consider. Specially since that's not the cheapest gadget out there.

 

[rwbaron]

Canon is in the business to sell cameras and make a profit to satisfy investors. They've lagged behind the competition for several years on both resolution and low ISO DR and their strategy is brilliant when you think about it. They have this massive pent up demand for both with their customer base but they intro the ultra high res camera first without any significant improvement to low ISO DR because they know people will still flock to buy them like Hershey bars. They wait a bit and then intro a low (by todays' standards) resolution FF but with new sensor architecture and state of the art low ISO DR and probably other benefits and sell even more boatloads of cameras. Then a few years from now they announce they finally put it all together in one camera and everyone again beats their door down to get one. Why sell people only 1 camera now when you can sell them 3 over several years.

Don't think for one moment that Canon can't produce the uber high res high DR camera today.

Canon plays the market like a fiddle and much better than the competition when you think about it.

Bob

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[Midwest]

What is wrong with 5D MKIII? Where is 5D MKIII limiting you from taking winning photographs?

His is defective. His whole gallery is full of totally black photos.

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

 

[Midwest]

Will you leave Canon? I think I will have no choice!

I'm sure the photographic community will be simply crushed if you did that, and Canons finances will be dealt a devastating blow, they might have to lay off a few thousand workers to keep their stockholders happy....by the way, who are you again?

/sarcasm

I doubt he has a 5D Mk III. Reading his other posts he seems to be like a cheerleader for negativism for Canon.

 

[steelhead3]

By your timeline, Sony probably moved away from Bayer sensors and into some exotic new way of capturing light. Supposedly, the next generation will be coming in April.

 

[rwbaron]

By your timeline, Sony probably moved away from Bayer sensors and into some exotic new way of capturing light. Supposedly, the next generation will be coming in April.

You could be right.

Isn't Sony the one that had the recent announcement of a photon counting sensor?

 

[pwilly]

By your timeline, Sony probably moved away from Bayer sensors and into some exotic new way of capturing light. Supposedly, the next generation will be coming in April.

You could be right.

Isn't Sony the one that had the recent announcement of a photon counting sensor?

 

[rrccad]

By your timeline, Sony probably moved away from Bayer sensors and into some exotic new way of capturing light. Supposedly, the next generation will be coming in April.

You could be right.

Isn't Sony the one that had the recent announcement of a photon counting sensor?

not really - it's a patent application for one.