EOS-1D Mark II sharp, no worries here

[Pekka Saarinen]

http://www.dpreview.com/temp_img/GR2O0135.JPG

2.9 MB. In-camera sharpening level 2, 28-70 mm F2.8 L.

Good example.

(Q: why those examples have added saturation, too? Is it part of your workflow?)

But with Mark II images I see no need to use any complex sharpening tools (with masked sharpening and other common tricks) because the noise is low, and even on high ISO the noise does not produde artifacts when sharpened.

Try e.g. 100/.3/0 + 100/.3/0 with plain old Unsharp mask: you can pull out crisper image than workflow in above example.

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[Juli Valley]

I don't know whether I'd like to return to London or get a 1D mkII more. Lovely shots.

 

[Adam-T]

And shoot the lovely USA / canada - you don't want to waste your money coming to this rainy smog filled dump of a country - Grab that Mk2 and head for Daniellaland ;-)

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[David Martin]

SMOG??

What have you got there, Adam, a time-machine? I thought it was a Mk2 you were getting, not the Tardis!

And shoot the lovely USA / canada - you don't want to waste your
money coming to this rainy smog filled dump of a country - Grab
that Mk2 and head for Daniellaland ;-)

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[Adam-T]

What have you got there, Adam, a time-machine? I thought it was a
Mk2 you were getting, not the Tardis!

LOL Dave - I've not "Been down the smoke" for ages as you can tell ;-) Hardly the beautiful scenes of Juli-Valley-Land or where Daniella comes from though Scotland has some wonderful countryside when it stops raining long enough ;-) ..

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[Daffy_Duck]

Well, London may not have much smog but I still remember sore throats and breathing trouble from the car emissions during my stay in London in '95. Nice city though.

What have you got there, Adam, a time-machine? I thought it was a
Mk2 you were getting, not the Tardis!

LOL Dave - I've not "Been down the smoke" for ages as you can tell
;-) Hardly the beautiful scenes of Juli-Valley-Land or where
Daniella comes from though Scotland has some wonderful countryside
when it stops raining long enough ;-) ..

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EOS-1D & Sigma SD9 - Sharper than a Saville Row Suit!

 

[David Martin]

That probably wan't the car emissions, it was the inhabitants, especially Arsenal supporters!

What have you got there, Adam, a time-machine? I thought it was a
Mk2 you were getting, not the Tardis!

LOL Dave - I've not "Been down the smoke" for ages as you can tell
;-) Hardly the beautiful scenes of Juli-Valley-Land or where
Daniella comes from though Scotland has some wonderful countryside
when it stops raining long enough ;-) ..

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EOS-1D & Sigma SD9 - Sharper than a Saville Row Suit!

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[Daffy_Duck]

Speaking of interpolation, does anyone know of a photoshop interpolation plugin that can do downward interpolation (smaller size for web display)?

Downsized the original with PhotoBrush using Lanczos 3
interpolation, and it looks very impressive to me.

 

[Kev - UK South Coast]

Pekka, the mkii should be no less accurate than a 1ds/1d on a static subject. canon inc say to 1/3rd depth of field. I have tested mine with several lenses and found some lenses to be highly accurate and very consistent. I am so far very very pleased with the af - i should say though that my lenses were calibrated in a very questionable way, so any that weren't prefect i am blaming on the poor calibrations recently done on them. Once those lenses are back to normal, i expect the mkii af to be perfect across the board.

For moving subjects the mkii is supposed to be better than 1d.

regards,
kev

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few

Phil,

Have you any comments on claims about Mark II focusing accuracy
being not as good as with 1D? I'm referring to
http://www.digitale-slr.net/foren/canon/index.php click
"gäste-login" (and go to forum "EOS 1D, EOS 1D Mark II und EOS 1Ds
" and header "MKII Tag II (gestern)").

(In short: poster said about Mark II that about 70% of shot AF was
not hitting the subject. 1D was 100% accurate. He took the camera
to repair for check but they could not check it yet because it is
so new.)

I'm quite sure that was only a defective unit, or bad lenses.

I wonder what happens after people have got their lenses adjusted
to 10D and then put them on Mark II?

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[Barry Anderson]

Definately overdone. Seeing some halo's where the dome's touch the sky!!

Barry

http://images5.fotki.com/v59/photos/1/167259/867682/CROP1-vi.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/temp_img/GR2O0135.JPG

2.9 MB. In-camera sharpening level 2, 28-70 mm F2.8 L.

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[Barry Anderson]

Is it just me ... or is this starting to look more like a very good drawing than a photograph ??!! ??

Barry

Downsized the original with PhotoBrush using Lanczos 3
interpolation, and it looks very impressive to me.

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Barry in Frederick, Md.

 

[bryce07]

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

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Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Barry Anderson]

The "SE" version is 1/2 the price of the pro ($500) and it will work with the 1DMkII.

Barry

Teski

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

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Barry in Frederick, Md.

 

[Gandalf89279]

bryce07 check out Phil's signature line.

Phil Askey
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digital camera reviewer in the world. And a pretty
darn good programmer and DBA as he programed the
code and data bases that run this site.

--
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[bimmerman]

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Amac]

Which I find hard to believe. I suspect they are people who can't afford the 1D Mk II and want to freak out those who can.

But based on the above crops, my 2 odd years with digital are telling me that these will sharpen up very, very nicely.

I've got to wait until the next tax year here in Australia, before I can buy, though.

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[Yohan Pamudji]

bryce07 check out Phil's signature line.

Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

He is your host at this site. Also in my opinion the best
digital camera reviewer in the world. And a pretty
darn good programmer and DBA as he programed the
code and data bases that run this site.

--
George Guinn

 

[Matthew Smith]

I must admit it looks like this camera is going to cost me a switch from my current system path. I think I have seen enough but will eagerly monitor the MKII until they become readily available. I don't see how anyone can say something bad from the reports I'm reading. Especially since we don't own one. If we had a descent camera dealer in this crappy area I live in, I could put my hands on one and have more input. We have a so called Nikon authorized dealer in Baton Rouge that doesn't even have a 50 1.8 in stock, let alone a Canon dealer with an MKII. Ha! He did offer to order me a D2H since they didn't have one in stock if I payed for it in advance(premium price) and it would only take 2 weeks to come in, plus shipping mind you. No SHI!. Gee Whiz, with a deal like that, I should order a dozen. I am checking around in New Orleans for a possible arrival of Canon bodies.
If someone knows any dealers around South Louisiana, I would appreciate a word.
Matthew

But based on the above crops, my 2 odd years with digital are
telling me that these will sharpen up very, very nicely.

I've got to wait until the next tax year here in Australia, before
I can buy, though.

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Cheers

Andrew McGregor

My site: http://www.englishclubonline.net/melbournegallery.htm

 

[T3]

Issue mongers? This might be an example: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=8545799 . It's all really rather unrealistic, this desire for perfection. Heck, even a new $70,000 BMW will have "issues". But so far, it appears the 1D MKII is the new king of DSLR cameras, and delivers as advertised.

 

[Riaan Jutte]

Unfortunately "sharpness" depends very much on the quality of your monitor. On my 19" Mitsubishi/NEC Diamond Pro 930SB running at 1152x864 & 100Hz refresh rate with 0.24 flat aperture grille it is tack sharp with no halo's. However, it would certainly appear less than perfect when viewed on a cheaper monitor that is not capable of resolving the micro detail. ;-)

Is it just me ... or is this starting to look more like a very good
drawing than a photograph ??!! ??

Barry