EOS-1D Mark II sharp, no worries here

[George D Feucht]

Perfect!

Considering that I skipped replacing my D30 with a D60 or 10D or 1D: I was waiting for the mythical "3D" to be introduced. As Paul Pope put it a while back, the 1Dmk2 IS the 3D for all intents and purposes.

I don't think I'll have a problem adjusting to image workflow (like many 1D people seem to be experiencing going from CCD to CMOS).

-George

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canond30/page16.asp

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

Sure, I think Phil is a Legend too, however, I am going to disagree
with him in saying that these photo's are sharp. Given that +2
sharpening has been applied, I still see quite a 'softness' in his
images. I know that this setting can be changed further but what is
this saying about the RAW images which would be produced or at a
setting of '0'.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Teski]

Between the MKII and a lesser camera from a competent individual?

Teski

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy.

I was referring to variance between copies and QC. Just about every
Canon DSLR/lens combo is capable of stellar AF and excellent images
provided QC during manufacture was up to standard. When you see
complaints about MKII images still looking soft, after
post-processing (sharpened to the onset of visible artifacts), from
competent individuals after comparing them with images from their
lesser cameras, using the same lens, then only one thing comes to
my mind.

I'm convinced that less than stellar AF performance is the source
of most sharpness complaints. One would think that this would be
confined to Canon's entry level DSLRs but sadly this doesn't seem
to be the case.

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy. For example, using my 300f4 with a 2x
convertor, focusing is much faster and more accurate than my D60
with just the 300 ... oh, and here's a surprise - in my quest to
find the limits of this camera, I stacked both my 2x and 1.4x
convertors on the the 300 f4 - guess what - AF still works - a bit
slower, but still very useable, and capable of tracking a 3/4 angle
aircraft landing approach in AI Servo mode.

Cheers,

Colin

 

[BanLecter]

now everyone will be on about how wonderful it is...

like there was any doubt....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cogito ergo sum
Caveat Lector

 

[Teski]

THis will only curb this subject for a while. You know as well as I that there will be many more complainers about many things.

Teski

now everyone will be on about how wonderful it is...

like there was any doubt....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cogito ergo sum
Caveat Lector
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[BanLecter]

and I cannot type... lol

I love my 1D and I love my 1Ds.... I will love my 1D Mark II when it arrives. As sure as the sun rises and sets.

yee haa

THis will only curb this subject for a while. You know as well as
I that there will be many more complainers about many things.

Teski

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cogito ergo sum
Caveat Lector

 

[Masterdeath]

Put the camera on +5 sharpening then..

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

Sure, I think Phil is a Legend too, however, I am going to disagree
with him in saying that these photo's are sharp. Given that +2
sharpening has been applied, I still see quite a 'softness' in his
images. I know that this setting can be changed further but what is
this saying about the RAW images which would be produced or at a
setting of '0'.

 

[aevoegels]

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Teski]

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[MIB]

http://www.dpreview.com/temp_img/GR2O0135.JPG

2.9 MB. In-camera sharpening level 2, 28-70 mm F2.8 L.

--

--
'MIB'

 

[Jim Simmons]

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Melanie Kipp]

Yeah, they do, don't they? And that's awesome. These are 100% crops... and the sharpening was at the LOWEST level....
I love it...

http://www.dpreview.com/temp_img/GR2O0135.JPG

2.9 MB. In-camera sharpening level 2, 28-70 mm F2.8 L.

--

--
'MIB'

--

 

[David Martin]

SNIP

PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

Now let's see, at the moment Phil gets to play with a camera that he clearly loves, and after the review is published nasty men will come and take it away from him!

Now if I were in his shoes, you could expect the review in May......of around 2006, that is!
--
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment

 

[Teski]

Ya...Maybe he'll take a week or two longer before he posts the review just to keep it. Although I have a feeling if he likes it that much, he'll pick one up for himself.

My guess...2nd week of May...2 - 3 weeks from now.

Teski

SNIP

PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

Now let's see, at the moment Phil gets to play with a camera that
he clearly loves, and after the review is published nasty men will
come and take it away from him!
Now if I were in his shoes, you could expect the review in
May......of around 2006, that is!
--
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment

 

[Teski]

I do like Adobe RAW myself, but C1 is really sweet. I'm just not willing to shell out the $500 for it at this point...Of course they haven't finished the update for MKII support yet but Adobe has.

Teski

Having just started to evaluate the Mark II I'm surprised to read
questions over this camera's sharpness.. There are a few important
points to remember:

1. The image processing for the 1D series apperas to be different
(to a higher standard) than other EOS digitals, tonal transitions
are smoother, sharpening artifacts virtually non-existant.

2. An eight megapixel sensor is going to pick out any sharpness /
resolution issues with the lens and focusing. A good lens,
accurately focused and with the correct DOF is needed for 1:1 pixel
sharpness.

3. This is the most important point - The default sharpening on
the EOS-1D Mark II is a very conservative level 0 (zero), this is
the same as the EOS-1D and 1Ds. It's a much lower sharpening level
than most other digital SLR's and provides you with noise free and
sharpening artifact free images. HOWEVER if you prefer your images
sharper out of the camera just increase sharpening to around level
2.

I went out on my first shoot with the camera the other day and
before even starting created a parameter set with sharpening level
'2', I'm pretty pleased with the results.

The images below are 100% crops from some 1D Mark II JPEG images.
Lens used was the EF 28-70 mm F2.8 L.







PS. Please don't ask me when the review will be posted.

--
Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com

 

[Riaan Jutte]

Downsized the original with PhotoBrush using Lanczos 3 interpolation, and it looks very impressive to me.

 

[kanefsky]

I do like Adobe RAW myself, but C1 is really sweet. I'm just not
willing to shell out the $500 for it at this point...Of course they
haven't finished the update for MKII support yet but Adobe has.

C1 SE will support the Mark II and is only $249.

--
Steve

 

[RickS170293]

Reichman did one. Oh, sorry - you said COMPETENT...

(just kidding Mel)

Rick

Teski

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy.

I was referring to variance between copies and QC. Just about every
Canon DSLR/lens combo is capable of stellar AF and excellent images
provided QC during manufacture was up to standard. When you see
complaints about MKII images still looking soft, after
post-processing (sharpened to the onset of visible artifacts), from
competent individuals after comparing them with images from their
lesser cameras, using the same lens, then only one thing comes to
my mind.

I'm convinced that less than stellar AF performance is the source
of most sharpness complaints. One would think that this would be
confined to Canon's entry level DSLRs but sadly this doesn't seem
to be the case.

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy. For example, using my 300f4 with a 2x
convertor, focusing is much faster and more accurate than my D60
with just the 300 ... oh, and here's a surprise - in my quest to
find the limits of this camera, I stacked both my 2x and 1.4x
convertors on the the 300 f4 - guess what - AF still works - a bit
slower, but still very useable, and capable of tracking a 3/4 angle
aircraft landing approach in AI Servo mode.

Cheers,

Colin

 

[Teski]

I do like Adobe RAW myself, but C1 is really sweet. I'm just not
willing to shell out the $500 for it at this point...Of course they
haven't finished the update for MKII support yet but Adobe has.

C1 SE will support the Mark II and is only $249.

--
Steve

 

[Teski]

(just kidding Mel)

Rick

Teski

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy.

I was referring to variance between copies and QC. Just about every
Canon DSLR/lens combo is capable of stellar AF and excellent images
provided QC during manufacture was up to standard. When you see
complaints about MKII images still looking soft, after
post-processing (sharpened to the onset of visible artifacts), from
competent individuals after comparing them with images from their
lesser cameras, using the same lens, then only one thing comes to
my mind.

I'm convinced that less than stellar AF performance is the source
of most sharpness complaints. One would think that this would be
confined to Canon's entry level DSLRs but sadly this doesn't seem
to be the case.

Not sure where the less than stellar preformance comes from - I
find it excellent on my copy. For example, using my 300f4 with a 2x
convertor, focusing is much faster and more accurate than my D60
with just the 300 ... oh, and here's a surprise - in my quest to
find the limits of this camera, I stacked both my 2x and 1.4x
convertors on the the 300 f4 - guess what - AF still works - a bit
slower, but still very useable, and capable of tracking a 3/4 angle
aircraft landing approach in AI Servo mode.

Cheers,

Colin

 

[CanonKen]

...they won't know the difference