DSLR without usb C doomed in EU ? Maybe?

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Not all DSLR are doomed, the D850 can charge via USB. Some newer Pentax can do so too.
My D850 has no USB-C port.
Sure, but it can charge off any USB-charger by means of a micro-B cable. Banning the sale of an already existing device just for having the wrong size of USB socket is highly refined insanity, they can't seriously pull that off.
 
I don’t see where there’s a requirement for retrofitting. It’s only for new products. But many people are already working with this anyway, it’s only the choice of a connector. Example, I’ve just bought a brand new film camera (Alfie Tych) which has USB-C charging. So if yesterdays technology can do it, how much easier will it be for tomorrows :-)
Ev ery other charging device is yesterdays technology. USB-C connectors are current. I have no idea what will be next although some devices can now charge without a physical connector at all.

Bureaucracy stifles technological evolution and/or improvements. Suppose the EU demanded all archival storage be on 8" floppy disks?

I thought the magnetic connections were a good idea having seen insertable connectors become damaged over time. I guess they aren't legal in the EU soon.
 
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Not all DSLR are doomed, the D850 can charge via USB. Some newer Pentax can do so too.
The D850 itself is not charged but it's removable battery can be charged. A mains charger is included with the camera.
 
Not that the law impacts me (living on the other side of the pond) but the wording likely reads something like: "...manufactured and sold after..."

- Gary
As I understand it is mandatory for all products sold, not just released.

It was decided at the end of 2022, giving manufacturers 2 years to implement it.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/
All the real issues going on in the world and EU micromanages ridiculous ideas like this.
Billions of tons of unnecessary garbage isn’t ridiculous. The measure passed the EU unanimously.
 
I don’t see where there’s a requirement for retrofitting. It’s only for new products. But many people are already working with this anyway, it’s only the choice of a connector. Example, I’ve just bought a brand new film camera (Alfie Tych) which has USB-C charging. So if yesterdays technology can do it, how much easier will it be for tomorrows :-)
Ev ery other charging device is yesterdays technology.
Sorry, I meant film as yesterdays technology (the Tych is a film camera with USB-C charging)
USB-C connectors are current. I have no idea what will be next although some devices can now charge without a physical connector at all.

Bureaucracy stifles technological evolution and/or improvements. Suppose the EU demanded all archival storage be on 8" floppy disks?

I thought the magnetic connections were a good idea having seen insertable connectors become damaged over time. I guess they aren't legal in the EU soon.
I don’t think inductive charging is covered by this
 
Not that the law impacts me (living on the other side of the pond) but the wording likely reads something like: "...manufactured and sold after..."

- Gary
As I understand it is mandatory for all products sold, not just released.

It was decided at the end of 2022, giving manufacturers 2 years to implement it.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/
All the real issues going on in the world and EU micromanages ridiculous ideas like this.
Billions of tons of unnecessary garbage isn’t ridiculous. The measure passed the EU unanimously.
Apples lawyers have already tried everything mentioned above (stifles innovation, creates extra waste etc etc). The result is that the iPhone 15 has a USB-C connector because they lost the argument (it was only really Apple who had a issue, almost every other phone is USB-C anyway)
 
India, in effect 2025, California in 2026

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/tech-...ows-europes-lead-on-usb-c-mandate-for-devices

Bill Text "AB-1659 Sale of small electronic devices: charging devices": https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...l?bill_id=202320240AB1659&search_keywords=USB

Liewenberger
Once a large market , like the EU, forces manufacturers to adopt the built in USB C charge option , most manufacturers will end up doing that for the world market.

It would not make economical sense to produce two versions or miss out on a market of that size.
 
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Not that the law impacts me (living on the other side of the pond) but the wording likely reads something like: "...manufactured and sold after..."

- Gary
As I understand it is mandatory for all products sold, not just released.

It was decided at the end of 2022, giving manufacturers 2 years to implement it.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/
All the real issues going on in the world and EU micromanages ridiculous ideas like this.
Billions of tons of unnecessary garbage isn’t ridiculous. The measure passed the EU unanimously.
Apples lawyers have already tried everything mentioned above (stifles innovation, creates extra waste etc etc). The result is that the iPhone 15 has a USB-C connector because they lost the argument (it was only really Apple who had a issue, almost every other phone is USB-C anyway)
Apple was one of the companies that developed the USB-C standard. They introduced it in a laptop in 2015, and gradually in other devices. The iPhone is probably the last device to not use it.

No doubt Apple will miss the licensing fees they collect for the lightening connector.

Cheers,
Doug
 
But wait, what is the reasoning for this legislation ?
Already answered several times, but:
  • Simplifying life (making it as easy as possible to charge emergency devices such as smartphones)
  • Saving customer's money
  • Saving natural resources
  • Decreasing the amount of electrical waste
  • Showing Apple that EU wants customers to have more power than large corporations
 
Not that the law impacts me (living on the other side of the pond) but the wording likely reads something like: "...manufactured and sold after..."

- Gary
As I understand it is mandatory for all products sold, not just released.

It was decided at the end of 2022, giving manufacturers 2 years to implement it.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/
All the real issues going on in the world and EU micromanages ridiculous ideas like this.
Billions of tons of unnecessary garbage isn’t ridiculous. The measure passed the EU unanimously.
I find it ironic that every time there’s a film story on this sites home page there are lots of “disgusting”, “think of the environment”, etc type posts about developer chemicals, but when new legislation is introduced to protect the environment from a far bigger problem it’s ridiculous because five year old DSLR cameras might have to be pulled from sale.
 
But wait, what is the reasoning for this legislation ?
Already answered several times, but:
  • Simplifying life (making it as easy as possible to charge emergency devices such as smartphones)
  • Saving customer's money
  • Saving natural resources
  • Decreasing the amount of electrical waste
  • Showing Apple that EU wants customers to have more power than large corporations
Actually the free market does that pretty well. Bureaucratic micromanagement is the WRONG way to go.
'EU bureaucrats' <> 'customers wishes'


[I'm far from an Apple fan, but from personal experience their Lightning connector is more reliable than USBC]
 
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This obviously only goes for new devices. Older devices can be charged as usual
 
Actually the free market does that pretty well.
Actually we are far from the perfect free market, in which you could buy an iPhone and choose the connectors to your liking, without extra cost.
Bureaucratic micromanagement is the WRONG way to go.
Standardizing the connectors actually makes free market work better. Proprietary connectors force people to buy products from one brand. Standard royalty-free connectors makes it easy for anyone to enter the market.
'EU bureaucrats' <> 'customers wishes'
Everyone I know here in EU thinks this legislation is good.

In the US there seems to be a lot of hatred against the government as an institution. I feel that most American don't understand that in Europe we don't feel the same way.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate the government in my country at the moment, but in general I like our government as an institution. Of course there are many things that I don't like, but it's great for the environment, human rights and EU secures the independency of my country.

Also I understand that many Americans think this legislation is against the US. This is not the case, US is EU's best ally. IMHO, it is against companies that have grown too large and dominate the market, causing market distortions (making markets less efficient). This can of course be associated with American values, as many American people don't seem to see this as a problem. But it is not against America as such.
[I'm far from an Apple fan, but from personal experience their Lightning connector is more reliable than USBC]
I was worried about USB-C, and I have had heated discussion about it here in DPReview.com. I was wrong. I must have had over 30 broken microUSB cables over the years, and 0 broken USB-C cables.
 
This obviously only goes for new devices. Older devices can be charged as usual
I think in practice this means that new devices registered to be sold in EU need to have USB-C connector. These kind of changes take time, certainly in 2028 in EU old stock with non-USB-C connectors will still be legally sold (maybe with a free adapter).
 
There is no grandfather clause. ALL product MUST have usb c charging built in.
I think you are misreading what it affects regards past/present/already in production/in the future
That's what I originally thought, too. However, note the next comment. This is exactly what I'm hearing from manufacturers trying to deal with the law. Also note that the EU Parliament is interpreting what the actual EU commission directive says. Beyond that, it appears that individual countries are dealing with the same issue in their parliaments. Germany is current debating the directive, for instance.

One problem—and I'll try to clarify this in my article later today—is that in absence of a clear statement that absolutely applies, manufacturers will pull their products rather than risk being fined.
 
The EU directive is for ALL appliances with an integral or removable battery.
So I guess Toyota will have to add USB-C charging to all its cars? :eyeroll:
The law specifies what devices are covered, and it doesn't include all appliances, and certainly not cars. It includes smaller home electronics products like smartphones, tablets, laptops, digital cameras, headphones, portable speakers etc.
Many DSLR/Mirrorless don't have USB charging at all. I personally think the mandate is idiotic and will cause more problems than it solves.
 
But wait, what is the reasoning for this legislation ?
Already answered several times, but:
  • Simplifying life (making it as easy as possible to charge emergency devices such as smartphones)
Agree. We've all got too many different cables and chargers.
  • Saving customer's money
Unclear. In fact, I'd bet the opposite. The price for a device without charger will stay the same, while the optional charger will become extra cost with a high GPM. You'd have to have a lot of devices all using the same charger to save money. I need, for instance, about five USB-C PD sources simultaneously while on safari. So now I buy the device for the same old price, but I have to buy extra "common chargers"?
  • Saving natural resources
Also unclear.
  • Decreasing the amount of electrical waste
Almost certainly not true in the short run. Where are all those USB Type A, B, micro, proprietary, Lightning cables and devices going to go? Into electrical waste. And if all we're doing is replacing X proprietary cables/chargers with X common cables/chargers, there's probably not a long run advantage at the personal level, either.
  • Showing Apple that EU wants customers to have more power than large corporations
Well, now we're into a political discussion. Technically, the EU is attempting to place society wide controls on things, which is the counter assumption to capitalism, which says that the market will figure things out. Both approaches are inefficient. One stifles creativity.

Let me illustrate that last point: let's say I create a new technology that can charge a device without wires from 10m away. Technically, as the directive reads, that isn't allowed. But wouldn't getting rid of wires result in decreasing the electrical waste and simplifying life?

I personally don't want the EU commissions to be product designers. Design by committee generally is inefficient design, in my experience.

The problem with any rule or law is that it will have unintended consequences. You usually don't discover what those were until after it's implemented ;~).
 
I don’t see where there’s a requirement for retrofitting. It’s only for new products. But many people are already working with this anyway, it’s only the choice of a connector. Example, I’ve just bought a brand new film camera (Alfie Tych) which has USB-C charging. So if yesterdays technology can do it, how much easier will it be for tomorrows :-)
Ev ery other charging device is yesterdays technology.
Sorry, I meant film as yesterdays technology (the Tych is a film camera with USB-C charging)
USB-C connectors are current. I have no idea what will be next although some devices can now charge without a physical connector at all.

Bureaucracy stifles technological evolution and/or improvements. Suppose the EU demanded all archival storage be on 8" floppy disks?

I thought the magnetic connections were a good idea having seen insertable connectors become damaged over time. I guess they aren't legal in the EU soon.
I don’t think inductive charging is covered by this
Exactly. There's nothing in this law that makes other solutions illegal.
 
Actually the free market does that pretty well.
Actually we are far from the perfect free market, in which you could buy an iPhone and choose the connectors to your liking, without extra cost.
We still are ;~). Free markets are messy. They take time to adjust, and they often overadjust and basically oscillate around the "right" point. Non-free markets are messy in a different way.
Bureaucratic micromanagement is the WRONG way to go.
Standardizing the connectors actually makes free market work better.
The market was already headed the direction the EU has now mandated. However, now other alternatives in the future will be more difficult to implement without a global market supporting them.
Proprietary connectors force people to buy products from one brand. Standard royalty-free connectors makes it easy for anyone to enter the market.
Technically, USB isn't "free." You should be a member of the USB organization and there are payments, protocols, and requirements involved depending upon what you're doing.
Also I understand that many Americans think this legislation is against the US.
No. My Silicon Valley friends all say the same thing: it stifles creativity to be forced to comply with a fixed standard. Moreover, they believe that the EU is trying to undermine the big FANG-type companies because, well, they're not European companies. The US is still the "wild west," where (most) anything goes and new things happen. Stifle that, and what is the US?
IMHO, it is against companies that have grown too large and dominate the market, causing market distortions (making markets less efficient).
Yes, that's one component of it. However, the opposite—forcing companies not to grow dominant—has not been proven to be the clearly better alternative. Your case here is an example of first-premise thinking, not proven fact.
 

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