DSLR without usb C doomed in EU ? Maybe?

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The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
 
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The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
They seem to be quite open to accept improvements rather than setting everything on stone. I noticed that they had switched last from older USB PD spec allowing 100W charging to one that allows 240W. I can see this adding some inertia overall though.
 
I always use the charger. That is to say, I pop the battery out of the camera, and put the battery in the charger.

They aren’t going to phase out the plugs that plug into the wall sockets. They aren’t going to require that every electrical device there is will be usb C.


The Europlug will still be very legal. And it is what came with all of my Canon cameras to power their chargers.
 
Agree. We've all got too many different cables and chargers.
Actually, I agree with you Thom. I've certainly got way too many cluttering up my equipment drawers.

However, the USB specification is quite wide with respect to currents carried from a modest 500 milliamps to a wapping 5 amps. Devices needing greater wattage will surely need heavier duty cable than small things such as 'phones or headphones. So I can foresee cables proliferating, not reducing. It will be the same for chargers. Indeed I have right now a charger that can deliver 2 x 2amps, another charger at 1 x 1 amp and the third one at 0.5 amps.
 
Bureaucratic micromanagement is the WRONG way to go.
Standardizing the connectors actually makes free market work better.
The market was already headed the direction the EU has now mandated. However, now other alternatives in the future will be more difficult to implement without a global market supporting them.
USB is a market solution, and has naturally solidified around charging for all sorts of things, including, amazingly, the booster pack for my car. But there is a HUGE difference between standardization by consensus, and mandatory determination from 'on high' which stifles innovation.


What will be a problem (at least in EU) is that it inhibits replacement technologies that may indeed be much better than the USB format, and to really redo things you can't keep stretching the original USB concept forever beyond where it was originally conceived. Already it's struggling to continue to push more function into a dated concept. The only way we will know is to let the alternatives bloom and see what works (and what customers accept.)


The market is messy (like evolution). But that mess has enormous generative power (like evolution)


Right now in the US there is a natural market solution coalescing around Tesla type EV chargers. NOT government mandate at the moment (though the government is happy to see it) but meeting the basic needs of the customers to drive sales.


(In this particular case it's not saving millions of tons, because Apple phones can charge off conventional USB power packs)


An extreme historic example is the technological stasis in the old USSR products (including cameras). While cameras (and other products) in US, Europe, Japan etc. surged ahead, they changed little and became less and less competitive. They had good engineers, but the system resisted change and withered.
 
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The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
I imagine the law can be revised if a company can show a demonstrated useful improvement in USB technology as long as it offers backward compatibility.
 
The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
They seem to be quite open to accept improvements rather than setting everything on stone. I noticed that they had switched last from older USB PD spec allowing 100W charging to one that allows 240W. I can see this adding some inertia overall though.
There is a big difference in allowing more power on the existing connector and changing the connector.

Companies will not risk the R&D cost for a connector the does not meet the regulation requirements.
 
The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
I imagine the law can be revised if a company can show a demonstrated useful improvement in USB technology as long as it offers backward compatibility.
The regulation will stifle any improvement that can't easily be backward compatible. HDTV took an extra 20 years to become available because of outdated backward compatibility requirements.
 
The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
They seem to be quite open to accept improvements rather than setting everything on stone. I noticed that they had switched last from older USB PD spec allowing 100W charging to one that allows 240W. I can see this adding some inertia overall though.
There is a big difference in allowing more power on the existing connector and changing the connector.

Companies will not risk the R&D cost for a connector the does not meet the regulation requirements.
I guess have more trust in companies abilities to keep a dialog going with entities behind regulations like this, offering them ideas about way forward and getting back feedback about what has a decent chance of being accepted.
 
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Apple offered a very reasonable compromise, they would include a USBC adaptor in the box. But that was not good enough for the authoritarian EU mindset. "You must obey, even if it makes no sense"
 
I just don't believe the "natural resources" and "waste" arguments will prove to be true. Certainly not in the first half of this decade.
People ought to be considering the future beyond the first half of this decade.
Absolutely. We're kicking a lot of cans down the road.

However, I'm pretty sure that the directive will increase electronic waste initially. One problem is that we can't make a control group to test the assumptions against, so it's not likely we'll get a clear understanding of whether the directive had a positive or negative impact on that particular assertion.

There used to be a magazine called Garbage that attempted to work through all these "is it better to X or Y" alternatives. Most of the assumptions about impacts were wrong. Often the thing that was being gotten rid of turned out better.
 
The legislation will serve to prevent any company from doing the R&D necessary to create a future improvement to USB charging. There will be no USB-D improvement that we can't even imagine right now because it would require an extra pin on the connector.

USB-C is king. Long live the king.
They seem to be quite open to accept improvements rather than setting everything on stone. I noticed that they had switched last from older USB PD spec allowing 100W charging to one that allows 240W. I can see this adding some inertia overall though.
There is a big difference in allowing more power on the existing connector and changing the connector.

Companies will not risk the R&D cost for a connector the does not meet the regulation requirements.
I guess have more trust in companies abilities to keep a dialog going with entities behind regulations like this, offering them ideas about way forward and getting back feedback about what has a decent chance of being accepted.
I've spent my entire career in tech R&D. The only thing more distasteful to management than developing a non-standards compliant solution is developing an "illegal" solution. I know it's not really illegal to innovate beyond what regulations allow, but executive management treats it as such.

We are locking ourselves in to 8-track tapes USB-C for a long, long time.
 
There is no grandfather clause. ALL product MUST have usb c charging built in.
I think you are misreading what it affects regards past/present/already in production/in the future
That's what I originally thought, too. However, note the next comment. This is exactly what I'm hearing from manufacturers trying to deal with the law. Also note that the EU Parliament is interpreting what the actual EU commission directive says. Beyond that, it appears that individual countries are dealing with the same issue in their parliaments. Germany is current debating the directive, for instance.

One problem—and I'll try to clarify this in my article later today—is that in absence of a clear statement that absolutely applies, manufacturers will pull their products rather than risk being fined.
Do you know whether the directive has any impact on the wall charger units Canon uses for its battery packs? These gadgets aren’t phones, cameras, etc. And they don’t involve cables. But they do let one easily recharge a battery without fooling around with a cable and a port. I notice that Canon’s usb-pd chargers are “out of stock”.
Funny you should ask. The last five emails I received had five different responses to that basic question. The EU commission did an amendment recently that was supposed to clarify things, but then it used terms that don't seem to be defined well, adding a new uncertainty.

There's just a lot that leaves something to be desired in all the documents and proclamations I've seen. I wrote my original article on this because of one source in the industry saying that my original interpretation was incorrect, and that they had been told by the commission something different.

I'll also note that Apple's MagSafe cable to the MacBook Pros seems to violate the directive that goes into effect in Spring 2026. So the noise about this isn't over yet.
 
My Silicon Valley friends all say the same thing: it stifles creativity to be forced to comply with a fixed standard.
Sometimes the creativity that lack of standardization allows is of little if any real value.
Often true.

On the other hand, if you have to design within a box, you stay in the box.
You're probably old enough to remember when most automobiles generally used the same type of headlamp, and it was possible to change one with a pop of the hood and a screwdriver.
Yes, and those headlights were generally pretty poor compared to current ones. But I get your point. If it's a common thing that needs replacing often, then lowest common denominator is a reasonable choice.
The 'creativity' that has been unleashed with lack of standardization in that area simply means that the headlamps in your car can have any variation of physical integration with the body, and any kind of fancy led layout.
I'm not sure about that "any kind of fancy layout" claim. There are pretty clear regulations about what lights have to do, where they can be located, and what color they can be here in the US. Not that that hasn't kept some from buying aftermarket products that violate the law.
Again, I get your point, but progress is messy.
 
“Way back in 2011, Apple, Samsung, Huawei and Nokia had agreed to harmonize chargers; their consensus led to convergence toward the USB micro-B charger, but an effort years later, in 2018, took that no further.”
And the reason for that was?
 
“Way back in 2011, Apple, Samsung, Huawei and Nokia had agreed to harmonize chargers; their consensus led to convergence toward the USB micro-B charger, but an effort years later, in 2018, took that no further.”
And the reason for that was?
No idea (it’s a quote from the link). Presumably Apple had no reason to
 
The 5 1/4" floppy disks were okay, but they weren't as nice as the new 3 1/2" disks. And there were all of these other removable disk variants. Remember Zip drives?

Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to need both a 5 1/4" floppy disk drive AND a 3 1/2" drive. It was a pain for software distributors to make both options available.

If only a regulation loving government would have stepped up and mandated all software to be distributed on 3 1/2" floppy disks. We'd probably still be enjoying the benefits of that regulation.
 
The 5 1/4" floppy disks were okay, but they weren't as nice as the new 3 1/2" disks. And there were all of these other removable disk variants. Remember Zip drives?

Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to need both a 5 1/4" floppy disk drive AND a 3 1/2" drive. It was a pain for software distributors to make both options available.

If only a regulation loving government would have stepped up and mandated all software to be distributed on 3 1/2" floppy disks. We'd probably still be enjoying the benefits of that regulation.
But that was a new technology. Plugs to deliver electricity are much farther along.
 
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