denial of autofocus problem

I would go for the 10D yes. But I really prefer the size of the 300d and the weight. I just wish that Canon would fix this issue..which I think it not impossible nor unrealistic. But if every keep quiet about it, nothing will be fiexed.
bottom line is that I have shot twice the amount of pics with the
300d already that I have shot with my Dimage 7 and still cannot
predict what the camera will do.

After 2 months with my Dimage 7 I could tell exactly how it was
going to behave.
the bottom line that I have find after using it for 2 months is
that the 300d is much less predictable and reliable than my 300$
point and shoots. very simple and straightforward.
Daniella, if you really mean that, I honestly wish you would go
back to your 300$ point and shoot and be happy. Personally, I think
you would be insane to do so, but my requirements may not match
yours.
I can't because the Dimage does not have the range that I need, nor
the image quality and speed of the 300d..but that does not change
the fact.
As it is, your bitterness is very unpleasant to be around.

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if he takes is pet chiwawa and landscape...not much challanging for the camera and no problem to except from this type of photography.

Also 1200 pics is not much either.
Congratulation. This focus problem appears to be a quality control
issue. Most cameras don't have a problem, however a bunch of them
do have problem. The ones that lost the quality control lottery
are the ones complaining. Be glad you were lucky with your camera.
Since I have the DR I have shot more than 1200 pictures. Not a
single one was out of focus. I do not know what is all this
compaining on this forum.
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Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:
I guess I'm in denial, or I know how to use the camera ;)

Even the manual lists instructions on how to set the active auto focus point over the intended target -you could easily do it if the focus point shifts. Personally I've never had to do it -but I'm also one of those people who leaves all 7 auto focus points active. If you have only the center point active, and you recompose...

It would be really sad if this whole issue turned out to be nothing more than a group of people who did not RTFM...
 
It's not just 300D owners. 10D owners loathed AI-Focus, too. Just look at all the people who claimed it was "user error" for a person to be using AI-Focus mode. If it works so well, it shouldn't be a problem using it.

Granted, a few of these people are so malleable when it comes to defending a Canon camera that they changed their minds about this issue once they heard that the 300D was forcing AI-Focus on people, and those people didn't like it because of its quirkiness.

Those are the people whose opinions I would question.

Let me put it this way: There are very few 10D shooters who elect to use AI-Focus mode. It's logical to assume there's a reason for this.
I think that until you have gone out and used the camera for a
thousand or so shots or done some real testing in this area, your
opinion on whether that feature is quirky or not is best
disregarded as nothing but repeating the opinions of others.

You have valuable experience that can be brought to the table to
help other photographers out. By all means do so.

I have no problem with your opinion that it would have been better
for Canon to include and option to select focus mode. Honestly, I
would prefer that too even though I rarely have trouble with the
existing system. It is obvious having that feature available would
be a plus. It isn't a plus I would pay much for however.

But your opinion that the AI-focus mode is quirky carries
absolutely zero weight with me. I have the experience with this
camera. You, as far as I can tell, do not.

If you do, and it is possible, and that experience is relevent to
this discussion then by all means tell us what you have found.

My own opinion for what it is worth is that AI-Servo mode and how
well it works is a quality control problem. Some cameras seem much
easier to kick out at the wrong time than others (and conversely
some seem too hard to kick in). It is also conceivable the problem
is related to the lens being used.
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I use central focusing because if I use 7 points it just pick up
trees or buildings instead of the bird, what ever is more contrasty.

I can use the AI servo in sprot mode and it works very well but
damn the limitation of the F number..I need to be able to have
enough DOF to have the full big bird in focus. So forget the sport
mode.

I use Av mode mostly but sometimes Tv when I want to make sure that
I freeze the motion. after 8000 pics, the camera has switched to
AI servo 2 times.
Wow. That is interesting.
both were from camera shake when I was doing
lens test at high maginfication, 300mm and on contrasty objects,
flowers and some sign.
here is a gallery where AI servo should have kicked in but never
did..especialy the shot where 3 cormorants are coming straight
toward me..they were getting out of the focusing area very fast.

http://www.pbase.com/zylen/300d_birds

In the letter Canon sent me for the repairs, they wrote "check
shutter, check AI servo" I hope they will fix it.
I hope they will take a close look at it. Of course it would help if you stated the exact details of the AI Servo problem when you sent it in. I would definitely follow-up on the AI Servo part and be sure they know exactly what you have in mind....where you expect it to kick in but it doesn't. Or have them at least explain it to you why it does not kick in. The best way for them to see the effect is to try it themselves in Sports mode and then the other modes. In Sports mode you definitely see and feel that AI Servo working....played around with it just now.
Actually, it's a breath of fresh air to see somebody who challenges
the fact that her expensive DSLR can't do simple things that a
point/n/shoot handles with ease.
That's fine to challenge something but the problem is that the
poster is assuming this is a bug or an issue that all 300D users
have. It is looking like the user's camera is defective because
"many" users, including myself do not have that situation.

Since that is the case, why not send the camera in and get the
problem fixed?

Hopefully, I did not contaiminate your fresh air :)

Mike
And I'm not talking about things that follow from physics: eg,
greater DOF for the point/n/shoot because of the smaller sensor
(and thus, smaller focal length).
As it is, your bitterness is very unpleasant to be around.
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same here, I will probably keep it and hope for a fix. I consider it a temporary solution. To bad it cost 1000$ for a temporary thing.
Anyway, I am not saying you don't have issues with the camera and
in comparing it with P&S you feel that was more consistent. I was
looking through some of my origional photos from my S45 and found
more inconsistent exposures, etc. with that camera than the 300D.

I plan to keep the Rebel till some advancements in DSLR make it
worth updating. The camera functions fine for my requirements
...that's not to say there isn't a bad shot taken at times but
after looking through my S45 pics I have to say there are issues
with P&S too.

Mike T
Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:
  • 300D is $1000 camera
  • $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,
so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.
  • creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot
in RAW, adjust ISO...
  • one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to
avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.
  • focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative
photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.
  • to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know
where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.
  • to reliably focus-recompose:
  • frame your target-spot in center of frame
  • half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
  • recompose your picture
  • press shutter button all the way down
This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

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upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.
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Justme wrote:
Or have them at least explain it to
you why it does not kick in. The best way for them to see the
effect is to try it themselves in Sports mode and then the other
modes. In Sports mode you definitely see and feel that AI Servo
working....played around with it just now.
yes it works well in sport mode but that is the catch..with the 300d, each time you gain a bit of control here, it is only to loose something there. Maybe that is what I find most frustrating with it at the end. then you loose the ISO, F, shutter, .jpg/raw, white balance etc...

what they were thinking? :)
Actually, it's a breath of fresh air to see somebody who challenges
the fact that her expensive DSLR can't do simple things that a
point/n/shoot handles with ease.
That's fine to challenge something but the problem is that the
poster is assuming this is a bug or an issue that all 300D users
have. It is looking like the user's camera is defective because
"many" users, including myself do not have that situation.

Since that is the case, why not send the camera in and get the
problem fixed?

Hopefully, I did not contaiminate your fresh air :)

Mike
And I'm not talking about things that follow from physics: eg,
greater DOF for the point/n/shoot because of the smaller sensor
(and thus, smaller focal length).
As it is, your bitterness is very unpleasant to be around.
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wow..I will not say what I think of that statement...

there are good photos because the 300d can take good photos, just not all the time.

surely out of 8000 pics, I got a fiew good ones.
Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:
  • 300D is $1000 camera
  • $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,
so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.
  • creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot
in RAW, adjust ISO...
  • one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to
avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.
  • focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative
photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.
  • to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know
where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.
  • to reliably focus-recompose:
  • frame your target-spot in center of frame
  • half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
  • recompose your picture
  • press shutter button all the way down
This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.
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When so many seem satisfied and yet a few seem to have problems
that should be a clue that there is a defect and they by all means
should get satisfaction from Canon. A tech support call is in order.
hahahahahahahahahah, have you tried it? that is a real joke to even thing about it. I wont repeat again what they told me, it is in this thread, you can read my earlier message.
Canon may be suffering from quality control problems, but as in all
such situations, people with problems complain more than people
without, skewing the apparent incidence of defects.
people without problem complain more about people with probem than people with problesm complain about problems.
--Steve
There are many wonderful pictures because its a great camera.
However, this does not deny the fact that many people are having
quality control problem with their camera.

The thing about quality control problem is that lots of people
won't have a problem but some people will have problems. The
people without problems sometime come in here and make
condescending remarks like "learn how to use your camera" which
then turn the problem into a personality attack.

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I see that you mostly take pics of kids and portraits..if you have like me a camera that does not kick into servo easily..then you are ok for the type of photos that you take.

My camera alsmot never kick into servo.
I suspect your camera may be defective because if you focus lock,
AI servo should not kick in to refocus when you complete the
shutter press. At least it doesn't on mine. Please correct me if I
am wrong here, maybe I am the one with the defective camera!

Aside from a defective camera, which you should definitely change,
a DSLR also has very shallow DOF and if you are using a very fast
lens and wide aperture, any slight forward or backward movement of
the subject or photographer will render the focus soft or blur.
This is however common to all SLRs and should not only affect the
300D. It merely means a non-SLR user who migrated from a consumer
or prosumer digicam should be aware because they expect sharp
results from their expensive new DSLR like before in a P&S. I
remembered that I took horrible pictures when I moved from analogue
P&S to an analogue SLR so I can appreciate the disappointments.

Canon 300D may be a $1,000 camera but it is still priced at the
bottom of the DSLR heap so we need to be realistic that it will not
perform to the level of it's more expensive and bigger brothers
like the 10D, D100 or S9. Looking back, the 300D is probably the
first camera where the AF mode was extensively discussed/debated
even before the camera was launched so all of us had a lot of info
on it before we bought. I certainly went in with my eyes wide open
on what the limitations are and I knew that for the price I will
have to compromise on certain features and learn to overcome some
issues. However, so far the camera has performed as it has been
programmed to in my experience.

Judging from the comments here, I see that perhaps some had a bad
experience with defective cameras whilst others may have had very
different expectations of this camera's performance. I think one
shot AF will be great to have on the 300D but it wasn't part of the
package when I bought it so I can't really complain that I have
been shortchanged. Plus over here in Asia, we don't have a return
policy so we tend to be extra cautious when buying and do our
homework before plunking in the dough.

Perhaps it's not a denial that AF problem exist but a denial that
some may have skimped on their homework and bought the wrong
camera. Either way a problem is a problem and a problem needs a
solution. So check the auto focus again, focus lock by selecting
the focus point and half press the shutter. Keep half pressing and
recompose, then shoot. If camera shifts focus, then it's defective
in my opinion. Change it, repair it or sell it and get on with
enjoying photography.
Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:
  • 300D is $1000 camera
  • $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,
so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.
  • creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot
in RAW, adjust ISO...
  • one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to
avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.
  • focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative
photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.
  • to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know
where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.
  • to reliably focus-recompose:
  • frame your target-spot in center of frame
  • half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
  • recompose your picture
  • press shutter button all the way down
This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.
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I am sitting in my home office and trying to get the camera to break focus lock. It won't do it. Maybe I should try again later:)
 
Birds are hard to get contrast on (as you already know) as they
usually appear somewhat uniform in colour from a distance. I
haven't seen too many big birds around here lately or I would go
out and shoot some to test it. I know I have a hard time to get AI
Servo to kick in with squirrels shooting in P mode. They don't
have contrasty bodies and move way too fast.
that is why if something is not working according to expectation,
it should not be implemented. If only Canon would understand this
and give us at least this part of the control..then most of us
would be much more happy with the camera. It is obvious that it is
a design that work well only for running kids at close up and
landscapes, backyard pics.

the proble is that I thought that it would work for flying birds.
That is exactly why I got the DSLR.
Then I would pursue this point with the techs. If you don't remind them then they may not take it as seriously when looking over your camera. Just ask them a question: "You know, when I'm shooting in Av mode and I'm focusing on birds in flight....the birds are moving...shouldn't the camera switch into AI Servo?". Once you hear what they have to say, pursue that. If they say, "Yes"....then tell them you've tried that xxx times and it doesn't work (kick into AI Servo) and you're saying it should? How come it doesn't work like that then as you just explained? Just some thoughts.
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