denial of autofocus problem

[Darko Juvan]

Who am I? I told you my problem with my 300D and this is 300D forum - right. So, grow up and don't throw your conspiracy theories around.

Who is he??? and what is he up to???

Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:

• 300D is $1000 camera
• $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,

so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.

• creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot

in RAW, adjust ISO...

• one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to

avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.

• focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative

photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.

• to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know

where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.

• to reliably focus-recompose:
• frame your target-spot in center of frame
• half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
• recompose your picture
• press shutter button all the way down

This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.

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[Daniella68313]

heheh ahahahahahahahahahahaha !!! LOLRDTF!!!! now that is the best joke fo the day!

sorry can't help it ))

Canon have fitted the 300D with a predictive, multi-point
auto-focus system.

For point and shoot amateurs, this works very well. It tracks
movement and focusses on the nearest moving object. It will
continue to adjust focus and there is no way WITH MULTI POINT
SENSORS ACTIVE to disable that.

BUT

If you deselect all but one focus sensor point, the camera can't
detect movement. With only one point active, you can focus on one
object, half press the shutter and recompose.

duh...when I use the 7 points focus, it catch what ever is more contrasty..usualy trees in the background or buildings..very rarely the bird.

 

[Daniella68313]

Ignore him..he is in a denial phase nothing nobody can do about it

PearlRider mode on:
How do you KNOW this? Aren't you just ASSuming this?
PearlRider mode off:

Seriously, has ANYBODY sent back the camera for this issue and had
it "fixed" yet?

yes I have sent it..for a shutter problem and I also mentioned the AI problem in the letter..d'you thing they will fix it?

Not that I've heard of.

You are correct, I have read the threads by many for weeks, there
may be some that have a defective camera, Canon will fix it.

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[Daniella68313]

the problem is that when you call Canon about it, they are saying that this is the way the camera works..they simply tell you these useful lines:

"the CAMERA will decide when to switch to AI servo or single, nothign you can do about it"

that is the reply that I got from them..

Regards,
Mike

THERE IS NO BUG

The focus does not unlock - I have tested this by RUNNING around
after focussing on a close object and THE AF STAYS LOCKED.

Bugs are elusive - the fact that the bug does not occur on your
camera does not negate its existence.

I set my camera to center focus point only, manual mode, half press
the shutter, rotate camera slightly to the right and generally the
AI servo kicks in. When AI servo starts it begins continuous
refocus from that point on even thought the shutter button is still
half pressed. The random thing is sometimes AI servo kicks in one
second after recomposing - sometimes 3-4 seconds.

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[Daniella68313]

there are no problem expected with landscape and flowers.

Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:

• 300D is $1000 camera
• $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,

so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.

• creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot

in RAW, adjust ISO...

• one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to

avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.

• focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative

photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.

• to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know

where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.

• to reliably focus-recompose:
• frame your target-spot in center of frame
• half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
• recompose your picture
• press shutter button all the way down

This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.

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[Evil Eggplant]

same here. I simply don't have these problems. Maybe I git lucky..

Actually, it's a breath of fresh air to see somebody who challenges
the fact that her expensive DSLR can't do simple things that a
point/n/shoot handles with ease.

And I'm not talking about things that follow from physics: eg,
greater DOF for the point/n/shoot because of the smaller sensor
(and thus, smaller focal length).

David, I have seen you be helpful on other forums. But on this
forum you seem to do little but take pot shots warranted or not. If
we all had the money to buy your camera, that would be great but we
don't. Some compromises are necessary.

Your "fresh air" here is no more endearing than the bitterness I
mentioned in the other post. In Daniella's case I at least
understand where the bitterness is coming from. She did have two
cameras that had real QC problems.

In your case, the perception whether accurate or not is that you
are just trying to justify your expensive camera. Send me your
camera and I'll happily stop using mine. Until then, I find the
300D very usable.

I have shot drag races where I needed the servo mode to kick in. It
did the job wonderfully.

I have shot many a landscape where I wanted things to stay put. It
did wonderfully.

Occasionally it is going to get it wrong. But for me, it is only
occasionally.

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[Daniella68313]

no...just something reliable and predictable.

To read some of the posts, you'd think people want a finely tooled
machine that never fails, is utterly perfect, and never shhots bad
photos!

For me the 300D is rock solid and predictable.

To wit: I just shot 270 frames of a "Breakfast with Santa" and my
son's school yesterday. The shooting was fast and furious I had to
totally depend on the multipoint selection abilities. The verdict:
NO out of focus photos in the lot. No front focusing, no back
focusing. All shots right on focus-wise. A couple of under-exposed
shots when I fooled the meter with Santa's huge beard. In portrait
orientation the sensors had an uncanny knack of hitting the right
spot. If not (a couple of times) I panned-focused-reframed as
described in message #1. No failures.

But here's the aded kicker, and why I would not go the Olympus
route (at this time):

I used hotlights, and was able to use heavily diffused quartz
lights (1,000 W and 500 W) at ISO 800 to get typical exposures of
f5.6 @ 1/60. The 4x6 prints (Epson 1280) show far less grain than a
typical Fuji or Kodak 800 speed film. PopPhoto and others have
rated the E1's noise at 800 unacceptable. That fact severely limits
my use of a camera, since I don't have a bevy of super speed lenses
or a few grand of studio falsh to work with.

Lastly, I took a bunch of diffiult shots around the Christmas tree
last night in very low light

So, I am sorry that some people have been having troubles, but the
300D is a GEM for me!

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[Wild-Mike]

Oh, and what conspiracy theory is that?

• right. So, grow up and don't throw your conspiracy theories

around.

Who is he??? and what is he up to???

Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:

• 300D is $1000 camera
• $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,

so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.

• creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot

in RAW, adjust ISO...

• one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to

avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.

• focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative

photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.

• to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know

where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.

• to reliably focus-recompose:
• frame your target-spot in center of frame
• half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
• recompose your picture
• press shutter button all the way down

This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.

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Einstein

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[PC Long]

This thread caught my attention because I wasn't aware that the 300D had an AF problem. I have used it for the last 2 1/2 months and have been quite satisfied with the AF performance. I was also trained in the old way of focus lock then recomposed and use this technique extensively even today out of habit. I have shot thousands of pics, usually either P, Av, Tv or M modes with the 300D and I can say the number of OOF pics is relatively low and certainly not more than the days of my analogue SLR.

I suspect your camera may be defective because if you focus lock, AI servo should not kick in to refocus when you complete the shutter press. At least it doesn't on mine. Please correct me if I am wrong here, maybe I am the one with the defective camera!

Aside from a defective camera, which you should definitely change, a DSLR also has very shallow DOF and if you are using a very fast lens and wide aperture, any slight forward or backward movement of the subject or photographer will render the focus soft or blur. This is however common to all SLRs and should not only affect the 300D. It merely means a non-SLR user who migrated from a consumer or prosumer digicam should be aware because they expect sharp results from their expensive new DSLR like before in a P&S. I remembered that I took horrible pictures when I moved from analogue P&S to an analogue SLR so I can appreciate the disappointments.

Canon 300D may be a $1,000 camera but it is still priced at the bottom of the DSLR heap so we need to be realistic that it will not perform to the level of it's more expensive and bigger brothers like the 10D, D100 or S9. Looking back, the 300D is probably the first camera where the AF mode was extensively discussed/debated even before the camera was launched so all of us had a lot of info on it before we bought. I certainly went in with my eyes wide open on what the limitations are and I knew that for the price I will have to compromise on certain features and learn to overcome some issues. However, so far the camera has performed as it has been programmed to in my experience.

Judging from the comments here, I see that perhaps some had a bad experience with defective cameras whilst others may have had very different expectations of this camera's performance. I think one shot AF will be great to have on the 300D but it wasn't part of the package when I bought it so I can't really complain that I have been shortchanged. Plus over here in Asia, we don't have a return policy so we tend to be extra cautious when buying and do our homework before plunking in the dough.

Perhaps it's not a denial that AF problem exist but a denial that some may have skimped on their homework and bought the wrong camera. Either way a problem is a problem and a problem needs a solution. So check the auto focus again, focus lock by selecting the focus point and half press the shutter. Keep half pressing and recompose, then shoot. If camera shifts focus, then it's defective in my opinion. Change it, repair it or sell it and get on with enjoying photography.

Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:

• 300D is $1000 camera
• $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,

so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.

• creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot

in RAW, adjust ISO...

• one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to

avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.

• focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative

photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.

• to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know

where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.

• to reliably focus-recompose:
• frame your target-spot in center of frame
• half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
• recompose your picture
• press shutter button all the way down

This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.

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[Wild-Mike]

the problem is that when you call Canon about it, they are saying
that this is the way the camera works..they simply tell you these
useful lines:

"the CAMERA will decide when to switch to AI servo or single,
nothign you can do about it"

that is the reply that I got from them..

So basically, if you have that problem you should switch to manual after initial focus then. Guess it would be nice to be able to disable the servo ...I rarely ever need it anyway.

Not sure why my camera doesn't have those symptoms. I haven't upgraded frimware yet, but that shouldn't affect the servo problems that you are experiencing.

Sorry you haven't gotten your camera back yet, that sucks!

 

[Mark Marshall]

I figured you'd read the riot act and I'd feel better. If someone is having a twitchy AI Servo problem (I don't) then don't FRS! Select the focus point (NOT CENTER) that puts your subject under the spot or give 7 pt. a try - it's not that hard. btw - Wild-Mike, I like your composition but to me it looks like your FRS example front focussed a bit. ~ m²

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[Stephen Reed]

I never took pictures of moving subjects with my 300D before I sold it.

what did you use it for? have you tried flying birds?

If I want the AI servo to kick for me, I must use the sport mode.

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[PC Long]

Just wanted to clarify that my post above does not refer to situations where the subject is moving forward or backwards in which case AI Servo is programmed to kick in anyway to keep the focus locked on the subject chosen. My understanding of the initial post is that Darko is having problems with regular scenes where AI Servo should not have kicked in. If my understanding is wrong, I apologise.

I suspect your camera may be defective because if you focus lock,
AI servo should not kick in to refocus when you complete the
shutter press. At least it doesn't on mine. Please correct me if I
am wrong here, maybe I am the one with the defective camera!

Aside from a defective camera, which you should definitely change,
a DSLR also has very shallow DOF and if you are using a very fast
lens and wide aperture, any slight forward or backward movement of
the subject or photographer will render the focus soft or blur.
This is however common to all SLRs and should not only affect the
300D. It merely means a non-SLR user who migrated from a consumer
or prosumer digicam should be aware because they expect sharp
results from their expensive new DSLR like before in a P&S. I
remembered that I took horrible pictures when I moved from analogue
P&S to an analogue SLR so I can appreciate the disappointments.

Canon 300D may be a $1,000 camera but it is still priced at the
bottom of the DSLR heap so we need to be realistic that it will not
perform to the level of it's more expensive and bigger brothers
like the 10D, D100 or S9. Looking back, the 300D is probably the
first camera where the AF mode was extensively discussed/debated
even before the camera was launched so all of us had a lot of info
on it before we bought. I certainly went in with my eyes wide open
on what the limitations are and I knew that for the price I will
have to compromise on certain features and learn to overcome some
issues. However, so far the camera has performed as it has been
programmed to in my experience.

Judging from the comments here, I see that perhaps some had a bad
experience with defective cameras whilst others may have had very
different expectations of this camera's performance. I think one
shot AF will be great to have on the 300D but it wasn't part of the
package when I bought it so I can't really complain that I have
been shortchanged. Plus over here in Asia, we don't have a return
policy so we tend to be extra cautious when buying and do our
homework before plunking in the dough.

Perhaps it's not a denial that AF problem exist but a denial that
some may have skimped on their homework and bought the wrong
camera. Either way a problem is a problem and a problem needs a
solution. So check the auto focus again, focus lock by selecting
the focus point and half press the shutter. Keep half pressing and
recompose, then shoot. If camera shifts focus, then it's defective
in my opinion. Change it, repair it or sell it and get on with
enjoying photography.

Some members of this forum deny 300D autofocus problem. I want to
make simple clear case upon just one problem - autofocus, recompose
in 300D in creative Av or Tv mode. Here we go:

• 300D is $1000 camera
• $1000 cameras should allow people to be creative with their tool,

so 300D has creative modes - like Av and Tv.

• creative modes, like Av and Tv, allow you to control DOF, shoot

in RAW, adjust ISO...

• one of the first thing you learn about taking pictures is to

avoid putting your subject in dead center of the frame.

• focus-recompose is one of the basic functions in creative

photography and technique to avoid putting subject in center of
frame.

• to be able to reliably focus on desired spot you have to know

where camera will focus so we will use center AF spot.

• to reliably focus-recompose:
• frame your target-spot in center of frame
• half-press shutter button and lock focus on target spot
• recompose your picture
• press shutter button all the way down

This is basic of the basic technique in taking pictures. I have
problem with this technique with my 300D. Half of the time I have
pictures that are out of the focus because AI Servo will kick in
and change focus.

Anybody think that Canon made $1000 camera that cannot do
focus-recompose?

Anybody think that Canon deliberately put such a limitation in
their camera?

I think it's a bug - huge one and IMHO Canon must respond -
ignorance wont help since this problem is here to stay until is
solved..

Darko

PS
I respect this site and my decision to buy 300D was mainly based
upon 300D review from this site. I would like to hear from Phil
about this problem since I didn't find anything about it in his
review.

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[Wild-Mike]

Wild-Mike,
I like your composition but to me it looks like your FRS example
front focussed a bit. ~ m²

Yes, I saw that and figured I must have focused on the stones just below her by mistake. I checked tested the lens (28-135mm IS) and it is focusing properly so I'm sure that it was my mistake.

Hope Canon is able to do something in firmware, sure would help make the message forum a little more civil

 

[Wild-Mike]

So what I am more worried about at this time is the lack of mirror
lock up ... I have aways used mirror lock up for long exposures, so
I am concerned about the clarity of the images.

Mirror lock up wouldn't be an issue with long exposures, but more so on short exposures. But it shouldn't be an issue, someone on the forum did some testing with a laser light and there was no vibration. I have had shots at 1280mm and no problems.

Regards,
Mike

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[Ulysses]

Thanks, Darko. I'm sure this has been asked before. Have you tried the same lenses on another Rebel, or perhaps on a 10D just to verify that it's not a bad camera?

I'm sorry if this was covered elsewhere in the thread. I haven't read the entire thing, although I did catch some of the messages.

Hopefully you will be able to find a resolution to the problem.

Two simple questions:

What lenses are you using?

• 18-55, 55-200 and 35 f2.0 (prime) and have issue with all of them.

What apertures are you using with the above lenses?

• Various aperatures and didn't find any connection between

aperatures and problem.

--

Ulysses

--

Ulysses

 

[thenderaaa]

Thanks, that's comforting ...

The reason I mentioned long exposures having a problem is I have always assumed that if the camera was vibrating from mirror movement when the shutter was open, you would have less sharp images no matter how long the exposure was.

I will try this out using a trypod, the RC 1, and bulb exposure, using only the lights on the christmas tree ...

So what I am more worried about at this time is the lack of mirror
lock up ... I have aways used mirror lock up for long exposures, so
I am concerned about the clarity of the images.

Mirror lock up wouldn't be an issue with long exposures, but more
so on short exposures. But it shouldn't be an issue, someone on the
forum did some testing with a laser light and there was no
vibration. I have had shots at 1280mm and no problems.

Regards,
Mike

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[Justme]

Now that you mention this ALL 7 focus targets active I remember earlier this year when I was testing the Kit lens shooting closeups of bees. I was going through my shots and noticed some of the really sharp shots had more than one focus point active (say, one on either side of the bee creating a plane across the bee). This was not intentional as I had forgot to switch it to centre AF point only. Still, in general everyday shooting I only use the one centre AF point. But maybe I should start experimenting with more than one AF point...even all 7...and see how different the results will be just for the fun of it.

What have you found about one point AF that made you decide to use all AF points? Is it strictly for the better metering?

I have the same camera as you and shoot exclusively in the
"creative zone" too. But I have no exposure or focus problems. I
am permitting all focus points to remain active unless I absolutely
cannot get a focus lock on my intended target. Then and only then
do I manually select a focus target. I try to select a target that
is aligned with where my subject is in relationship to the frame so
I do not have to do a focus-recompose-shoot (FRS) manouver.
Occasionally I do have to do a FRS and occasionally the A1 Servo
will kick in, but I can usually salvage even that shot.

So 90%: All 7 focus targets active
8%: manually select a single focus target aligned with my subject.
1.95%: manually select a single focus target requiring a FRS.
0.05%: manually select a single focus target requiring FRS and
ruined by inappropriate A1 Servo.

Seriously, this is not a difficult strategy to use. Do me a favor
and give this a try and let me know your results. I know we may
not be shooting the same scenes and we do not have the exact same
camera and level of experience, but honestly this is not hard to
do. And there is one secret benefit to shooting with this
strategy: the camera meters FAR better! While I still have no
emperical data to support my hypothesis, I believe you get better
Evaluative Metering when the camera selects the active focus point.
YMMV.

Cheers,

jim

PS: I loved my UZI and my E-10, but there is no way I'm dealing
with all of that noise again. There is simply no comparision in
image quality.

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[Wild-Mike]

Thanks, that's comforting ...
The reason I mentioned long exposures having a problem is I have
always assumed that if the camera was vibrating from mirror
movement when the shutter was open, you would have less sharp
images no matter how long the exposure was.

I will try this out using a trypod, the RC 1, and bulb exposure,
using only the lights on the christmas tree ...

You will be fine

You should have seen me trying to take the picture linked below at the last Canal Fest in Erie Canal. I had a mini tripod strapped to the rail on the bridge and vehicles kept going by and vibrating the bridge quite a bit. Even people walking by made vibrations. I had to time it so that no cars or vehicles were going by at the time.

http://www.tkis.com/boaters/photos/2003/canal-fest/003a.jpg

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[Justme]

Ouch. You probably have other cameras to play with in the meantime? I would call for an update.

I beleive that some people here will never push their camera to any
lenght and thus will never have any problem..or they will start to
see problem once they will start to really experiment with it in
deep.

Some seem to be much more sensitive. Mine never kick in on flying
birds..does yours kick in servo for flying birds? I mean not bird
flying at 2 inches of the lens but birds flying at some distance?

My camera is at canon currently because the shutter broke. it's
been there for almost a month and still no news from it.

Don't be silly

That's fine to challenge something but the problem is that the
poster is assuming this is a bug or an issue that all 300D users
have. It is looking like the user's camera is defective because
"many" users, including myself do not have that situation.

Since that is the case, why not send the camera in and get the
problem fixed?

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