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[aam1234]

First, and after reading Brent's reply under his entry, I don't think his photo is a good example of what I'm referring to here due to the nature of this challenge (touching the edge). Sorry nameless person

Second, to Rod mate, this is an excellent reply and agree with all you said. Well, except the very last sentence, he he

In those days I would read how photography clubs were a hindrance to
learning the art of photography as they would submit their picys for
judging & most camera club judges were hung up on the so called rules
of photography, rule of thirds etc.

This is the reason I brought this subject up. Personally, I find nit picking not only disheartening/discouraging, but also restrictive to one's photo-taking and imagination.

When we looked at the greats of photography we really didn't see many
if any picys that conformed with these rules as they just shot what
looked right to their artistic minds & intentions, not by some rule
book.

Not only that, but if we were to nit pick those great photos they will fail miserably in today's thinking/approach. I saw a site where the author posted some of the all time classic photos then he added his comment on what people would say now. His comments were very funny and very true. Wish I bookmarked that site.

The so called rules of photography are only there for the sole
purpose of teaching beginners & the less talented how to develop the
art of seeing.

Somewhat agree. More below.

Once we start to get the idea & just start shooting
what WE think is a good picy then the rules should be totally
forgotten.

Not sure that they should be totally forgotten, I think of them as more of reference points, and a way for us not to go over-board or at least to let us know when we go overboard. Mind you, going overboard is not inherently a bad thing, sometimes it's a good thing.

but I don't produce art, just half decent picys for a hobbyist

Are you fishing for some compliments here Really, you produce excellent work. Don't sell yourself short, mate.

the rules would just hold me back.

Agree, if you ask me.

In my mind if I see a picy that just seems to work well I don't then
start looking for faults or complience with any rules because the
picy worked so it's end of story

That's exactly what I do. Have a quick/general look then wonder about casually in the photo. If nothing jumps out to my eyes then the photo has no faults. As you said, I don't go about looking for faults, to the contrary, I usually look for good things in the photo.

Anyhow Aamm mate you know that any ahrt picy has to be in B&W a

He he. You remind me of a photo exhibition I went to last week. The guy, who only showed B&W photos, said in a matter-of-fact way that B&W is superior to color. Wanted to strangle him right there! But he was super nice and respected his point of view.

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[rodbam]

I'm missing your picys in the thread, don't tell me you have done some housework & haven't had time
Regards Rod

 

[BrentS]

When shooting inanimate objects but for shooting people they will
open their eyes & smile for the pre flash & then close their eyes for
the main shot
Regards Rod

Nah, it's an easily discernible from the main flash flickering light, like a 60's disco strobe light or many P&S cameras. If anything it makes people smile more and stair into the lens because they think they are on an acid trip.
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• Brent

http://photosmith.smugmug.com/

 

[deseng]

travelling )
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Regards,

Debi

http://deseng-deseng.blogspot.com/

 

[aam1234]

They improved the IS on the F4 lens to I think 4 stops whereas the
2.8 still has the old IS I think at 3 stops.

Yeah. It has an old IS, maybe even less than 3 stops (just a guess). To be honest, the $200 rebate is so big for such a popular lens that it made me worried that Canon will be coming up with a new version of that lens.

Do you do much low light shooting Aamm?

I don't need it for low light, I need it for sports. Faster SS, and depending on distance, shallower DOF to blur the B/G.

also the DOF will be quite thin on a full frame

If you think f2.8 is difficult to manage regarding DOF then you should try f1.2 That's one of the reasons I was surprised that some people (hi Penny) use all focusing points.

I will be interested to see your picys with it.

I bought it at the wrong time because the horse events will end next week But those $200 in rebates can not be ignored

Cheers, mate

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[deseng]

Has this been done? Pbase is not loading now.

the eligible gllery is a bit mixed up - the rankings are to be
corrected. Are the mods to be informed?
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Regards,

Debi

http://deseng-deseng.blogspot.com/

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Regards,

Debi

http://deseng-deseng.blogspot.com/

 

[rodbam]

Once we start to get the idea & just start shooting
what WE think is a good picy then the rules should be totally
forgotten.

Not sure that they should be totally forgotten, I think of them as
more of reference points, and a way for us not to go over-board or at
least to let us know when we go overboard. Mind you, going overboard
is not inherently a bad thing, sometimes it's a good thing.

Have a look at the 1st & 2nd place getters in the last challenge, You & Tommy. I don't think I can see one rule in those two picys I think that's what makes them great picys.
Regards Rod

 

[rodbam]

There's only $50 off the 10-22 I want to buy so I won't be rushing to get it. I might just buy it from a local internet dealer where it's $100 aus more than I can get it from B&H & no postage as I can pick it up.
Regards Rod

 

[rodbam]

Do you mean the tie for 6th place so there's no 7th place?
Regards Rod

 

[Penny Street]

I play with all the different points, but I just never know how to decide.
Penny Street

 

[Penny Street]

I appreciate the explanation.
Penny Street

 

[aam1234]

Yeah, postage (shipping) is a killer. I think I paid something like $34 for shipping alone. And I live closer to the US than you do (I think).

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[aam1234]

Since you just retired and have excellent photographic skills...Have you thought about going commercial. A paid work here or there. You are more than qualified, if you ask me.

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[rodbam]

I thought if we have trouble living on the pension then I would try & do some wedding jobs. I wouldn't know how to go about getting other commercial work.

I think most of us here could do weddings as the picys are quite standard in nature it's just knowing the type of picys that's needed from go to woe.

The four weddings of our friends kids that I took picys for all had official photographers & their shots were all very standard & showed a lot less care than we would take. Their flash picys all showed the bad looking shadows behind the subjects as they all used direct flash with that little plastic cover on but the shadows looked terrible to me. None of them seemed to worry if the bride was large small or had a big nose they didn't bother to make allowances in their angle of shots or focal lengths to minimise what might make the bride look as good as possible.

Having the confidence is the main prerequisite for starting up for wedding photography & I'm not overly endowed in that department.

So if a wedding job dropped in my lap I would probably do it & that would break the ice for further work or it may convince me to never do it again
Regards Rod

 

[aam1234]

• From my reading, commercial photography is more about marketing than photography. This explains how those bums you mentioned landed those wedding jobs. It also means that if you sit on your fat butt and expect jobs to land on your lap then maybe this isn't your thing. If you are really considering it, then maybe you might want to work on it, mate.

Also, if you become a rich & famous photographer don't forget about us here at CTF. Because if you do, me, Brent, and Penny will come to OZland and kick your behind

• DO NOT SELL CHEAP! Otherwise people will look at your work as cheap too.

These are the two main things I gathered from reading about & from successful professional photographers. Except kicking your behind part, of course

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[Penny Street]

When you put the camera on multi-point and then go to focus, automatically, it shows you which of the points the camera is focusing on. So before I shoot I can pick which point is lit depending on what I want the subject to be. For most things (not shallow DOF) this seems to work pretty well.
Comments?
Penny Street

 

[aam1234]

And no, I didn't choose because of the title

Feist - 1234

[ http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/feist+/video/x22p84_feist-1234_music]

Perhaps one of my favorite songs from the last few years.

Also, the choreography is amazing. Can't imagine the amount of work done there.

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[aam1234]

So before I shoot I can pick which point is lit
depending on what I want the subject to be.

Yes

I don't have a 5DII, but on the old 5D, you just half-press the shutter release then use the joy stick (he he, that name always makes me giggle) to select your focusing point.

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It's all about light, my friend.

 

[Penny Street]

Not everyone, but you know... there's an awful lot of chatter but
debi?
Jano?
sueanne?
Mary Anne?
Sharon?
I seem to be the only female face around here lately.
is Carole going to be around at all this summer?
Penny Street

 

[aam1234]

Not everyone, but you know... there's an awful lot of chatter but

debi?

Debi is of no use, as she only writes one word replies

Jano?

Since Jano became a mod she thinks her words are too good for us

sueanne?

Well, she has been doing great lately, why would she bother with us

Mary Anne?
Sharon?

They are both roaming around Boston looking for guys

I seem to be the only female face around here lately.

And it's a pleasure to see your face, sista

is Carole going to be around at all this summer?

CJ is on a cruise as we speak. Eat your heart out, Penny

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It's all about light, my friend.