C1P Disable or Bypass Capture Sharpening?

[Van Griff]

I shoot NEF/raw files and like to open the file with DxO . . . save as DNG then edit with TOPAZ PHOTO AI to sharpen then save as TIFF . . . then do final exposure and misc edits [no sharpening or NR] with CAPTURE ONE PRO 22.

I get great results with the files created from the initial DxO/TPAI process . . . but as soon as I open in C1P and do any adjustments there [no NR or Sharpening] and save the image as a JPEG . . . when viewing the saved image with ADOBE BRIDGE the dreaded white line on the edges is much more pronounced and the image looks over processed and not acceptable.

I believe this is due to the Capture Sharpening that is built into the App and I don’t think it can be adjusted or deleted [I have zero output sharpening and NR applied in C1P].

Is there any way to disable or bypass the C1P Capture Sharpening???

I have done some Google searching with no luck and sent a request into C1P Support but no response yet and I am doubtful then will have an option for me.

I really like all the C1P editing features with the exception of this sharpening issue and don’t really want to move to and learn another editor.

Any suggestions here or options to resolve?

Any assistance greatly appreciated!

Best,

V G

 

[Abbott Schindler]

Have you explored whether the problem is the final JPEG conversion?

Also, I think you're right about sharpening built into C1's camera profiles; I assume you're using their DNG profile instead of the Nikon one because you've twice-edited the files, so C1's NEF profiles may not be appropriate.

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc. if you feel a need. Your workflow seems overly complicated to me, and by using C1 last and on TIFFs, you're missing out on most of its capabilities, including masking and color adjustments.

 

[Van Griff]

Have you explored whether the problem is the final JPEG conversion?

I get the same result exporting as a TIFF or JPEG.

Also, I think you're right about sharpening built into C1's camera profiles;

Yes . . . that is what my research is showing.

I assume you're using their DNG profile instead of the Nikon one because you've twice-edited the files, so C1's NEF profiles may not be appropriate.

Not sure what you are saying here.

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

if you feel a need. Your workflow seems overly complicated to me, and by using C1 last and on TIFFs, you're missing out on most of its capabilities, including masking and color adjustments.

All C1 edits work fine . . . masking . . . color adjustments . . . all work fine in my workflow with the exception of the aggravated sharpening which I think is due to the C1P capture sharpening that does not appear to be adjustable or removable.

Thanks for the input Abbott . . . much appreciated!

Best,

V G

 

[Van Griff]

Have you explored whether the problem is the final JPEG conversion?

Also, I think you're right about sharpening built into C1's camera profiles; I assume you're using their DNG profile instead of the Nikon one because you've twice-edited the files, so C1's NEF profiles may not be appropriate.

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc. if you feel a need. Your workflow seems overly complicated to me, and by using C1 last and on TIFFs, you're missing out on most of its capabilities, including masking and color adjustments.

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model. While the sharpening settings in the Details tool tab can be adjusted, the software also applies pre-sharpening during the raw decoding process.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Capture Sharpening:Capture One applies automatic sharpening during the initial capture stage to compensate for potential loss of fine detail during the digital capture process, including anti-aliasing and mosaicking.
• Default Settings:Even with sharpening settings at zero, Capture One will still apply some level of sharpening to the image, as it's part of the default processing workflow.
• Manual Adjustments:While the default sharpening is applied, users can further adjust the amount, radius, and threshold of the sharpening in the Details tool tab to fine-tune the image's sharpness.
• Comparison to Other Software:Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are also known to apply some degree of sharpening by default.

 

[ishwanu]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

 

[IanYorke]

I shoot NEF/raw files and like to open the file with DxO . . . save as DNG then edit with TOPAZ PHOTO AI to sharpen then save as TIFF . . . then do final exposure and misc edits [no sharpening or NR] with CAPTURE ONE PRO 22.

I get great results with the files created from the initial DxO/TPAI process . . . but as soon as I open in C1P and do any adjustments there [no NR or Sharpening] and save the image as a JPEG . . . when viewing the saved image with ADOBE BRIDGE the dreaded white line on the edges is much more pronounced and the image looks over processed and not acceptable.

I believe this is due to the Capture Sharpening that is built into the App and I don’t think it can be adjusted or deleted [I have zero output sharpening and NR applied in C1P].

Is there any way to disable or bypass the C1P Capture Sharpening???

I have done some Google searching with no luck and sent a request into C1P Support but no response yet and I am doubtful then will have an option for me.

I really like all the C1P editing features with the exception of this sharpening issue and don’t really want to move to and learn another editor.

Any suggestions here or options to resolve?

Any assistance greatly appreciated!

Best,

V G

If I have read your post correctly (not guaranteed ), you are sending a Tif to C1 so no capture sharpening is applied.

Just to cover the obvious, you have turned off sharpening in the jpg export recipe?

Ian

 

[Van Griff]

I shoot NEF/raw files and like to open the file with DxO . . . save as DNG then edit with TOPAZ PHOTO AI to sharpen then save as TIFF . . . then do final exposure and misc edits [no sharpening or NR] with CAPTURE ONE PRO 22.

I get great results with the files created from the initial DxO/TPAI process . . . but as soon as I open in C1P and do any adjustments there [no NR or Sharpening] and save the image as a JPEG . . . when viewing the saved image with ADOBE BRIDGE the dreaded white line on the edges is much more pronounced and the image looks over processed and not acceptable.

I believe this is due to the Capture Sharpening that is built into the App and I don’t think it can be adjusted or deleted [I have zero output sharpening and NR applied in C1P].

Is there any way to disable or bypass the C1P Capture Sharpening???

I have done some Google searching with no luck and sent a request into C1P Support but no response yet and I am doubtful then will have an option for me.

I really like all the C1P editing features with the exception of this sharpening issue and don’t really want to move to and learn another editor.

Any suggestions here or options to resolve?

Any assistance greatly appreciated!

Best,

V G

If I have read your post correctly (not guaranteed ), you are sending a Tif to C1 so no capture sharpening is applied.

To clarify further . . . I open C1 . . . then use the drop down menu Open With . . . select DxO . . . process in DxO save to original folder as a TIFF file . . . then from C1 again use the drop down menu Edit with . . . select TPAI . . . edit in TPAI and save to original folder again as a TIFF.

Then in C1 do further editing then save as a JPEG or TIFF with the same result as originally described.

Just to cover the obvious, you have turned off sharpening in the jpg export recipe?

The Sharpening and NR tools are set to zero . . . is that what you are referring to?

I am not seeing anything in the export recipe to turn off sharpening?

Ian

Thanks for your input Ian!

Best,

V G

 

[Van Griff]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . . but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

Thanks for the input ishwanu.

Best,

V G

 

[Van Griff]

I shoot NEF/raw files and like to open the file with DxO . . . save as DNG then edit with TOPAZ PHOTO AI to sharpen then save as TIFF . . . then do final exposure and misc edits [no sharpening or NR] with CAPTURE ONE PRO 22.

I get great results with the files created from the initial DxO/TPAI process . . . but as soon as I open in C1P and do any adjustments there [no NR or Sharpening] and save the image as a JPEG . . . when viewing the saved image with ADOBE BRIDGE the dreaded white line on the edges is much more pronounced and the image looks over processed and not acceptable.

I believe this is due to the Capture Sharpening that is built into the App and I don’t think it can be adjusted or deleted [I have zero output sharpening and NR applied in C1P].

Is there any way to disable or bypass the C1P Capture Sharpening???

I have done some Google searching with no luck and sent a request into C1P Support but no response yet and I am doubtful then will have an option for me.

I really like all the C1P editing features with the exception of this sharpening issue and don’t really want to move to and learn another editor.

Any suggestions here or options to resolve?

Any assistance greatly appreciated!

Best,

V G

If I have read your post correctly (not guaranteed ), you are sending a Tif to C1 so no capture sharpening is applied.

To clarify further . . . I open C1 . . . then use the drop down menu Open With . . . select DxO . . . process in DxO save to original folder as a TIFF file . . .

Correction here . . . save as a DNG file

then from C1 again use the drop down menu Edit with . . . select TPAI . . . edit in TPAI and save to original folder again as a TIFF.

Then in C1 do further editing then save as a JPEG or TIFF with the same result as originally described.

Just to cover the obvious, you have turned off sharpening in the jpg export recipe?

The Sharpening and NR tools are set to zero . . . is that what you are referring to?

I am not seeing anything in the export recipe to turn off sharpening?

Ian

Thanks for your input Ian!

Best,

V G

 

[ishwanu]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

 

[Van Griff]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

I am using DxO PL6 . . . will try your suggestion and see what I get . . . never removed Metadata before tho.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

Yes . . . agreed . . . here is the Google AI explanation . . .

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model. While the sharpening settings in the Details tool tab can be adjusted, the software also applies pre-sharpening during the raw decoding process.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Capture Sharpening:Capture One applies automatic sharpening during the initial capture stage to compensate for potential loss of fine detail during the digital capture process, including anti-aliasing and mosaicking.
• Default Settings:Even with sharpening settings at zero, Capture One will still apply some level of sharpening to the image, as it's part of the default processing workflow.
• Manual Adjustments:While the default sharpening is applied, users can further adjust the amount, radius, and threshold of the sharpening in the Details tool tab to fine-tune the image's sharpness.
• Comparison to Other Software:Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are also known to apply some degree of sharpening by default.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

V G

 

[ishwanu]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

I am using DxO PL6 . . . will try your suggestion and see what I get . . . never removed Metadata before tho.

It's an option in the export dialog.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

Yes . . . agreed . . . here is the Google AI explanation . . .

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model.

That's why removing metadata might help.

 

[Van Griff]

I shoot NEF/raw files and like to open the file with DxO . . . save as DNG then edit with TOPAZ PHOTO AI to sharpen then save as TIFF . . . then do final exposure and misc edits [no sharpening or NR] with CAPTURE ONE PRO 22.

I get great results with the files created from the initial DxO/TPAI process . . . but as soon as I open in C1P and do any adjustments there [no NR or Sharpening] and save the image as a JPEG . . . when viewing the saved image with ADOBE BRIDGE the dreaded white line on the edges is much more pronounced and the image looks over processed and not acceptable.

I believe this is due to the Capture Sharpening that is built into the App and I don’t think it can be adjusted or deleted [I have zero output sharpening and NR applied in C1P].

Is there any way to disable or bypass the C1P Capture Sharpening???

I have done some Google searching with no luck and sent a request into C1P Support but no response yet and I am doubtful then will have an option for me.

I really like all the C1P editing features with the exception of this sharpening issue and don’t really want to move to and learn another editor.

Any suggestions here or options to resolve?

Any assistance greatly appreciated!

Best,

V G

As a footnote I tried final processing with Luminar AI after the initial DxO/TPAI processing and no further sharpening was applied as it is in C1P . . . so it appears that it is a C1P anomaly or process . . . perhaps other Apps do it as well but not Lum AI.

Best,

V G

 

[Van Griff]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

I am using DxO PL6 . . . will try your suggestion and see what I get . . . never removed Metadata before tho.

It's an option in the export dialog.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

Yes . . . agreed . . . here is the Google AI explanation . . .

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model.

That's why removing metadata might help.

Removed METADATA in the DxO export but the C1P processing again overloaded and added additional sharpening.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Best,

V G

 

[IanYorke]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

I am using DxO PL6 . . . will try your suggestion and see what I get . . . never removed Metadata before tho.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

Yes . . . agreed . . . here is the Google AI explanation . . .

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model. While the sharpening settings in the Details tool tab can be adjusted, the software also applies pre-sharpening during the raw decoding process.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Capture Sharpening:Capture One applies automatic sharpening during the initial capture stage to compensate for potential loss of fine detail during the digital capture process, including anti-aliasing and mosaicking.
• Default Settings:Even with sharpening settings at zero, Capture One will still apply some level of sharpening to the image, as it's part of the default processing workflow.
• Manual Adjustments:While the default sharpening is applied, users can further adjust the amount, radius, and threshold of the sharpening in the Details tool tab to fine-tune the image's sharpness.
• Comparison to Other Software:Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are also known to apply some degree of sharpening by default.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

V G

C1 does not apply capture sharpening to non raw images. Google AI is just looking at the info for raw images.

Export dialogue showing sharpening defaults.





Ian

 

[Van Griff]

One thing to try if you haven't already: edit in C1 first, then go to DXO/Topaz/etc.

I open the file in DxO first as I prefer their RAW file conversion and NR . . . then TPAI . . . and finally to C1 for any further editing . . . as soon as I open the DxO/TPAI file in C1 and process the sharpening overload occurs.

If you 'disguise' the converted file by removing its metadata first, does the capture sharpening still occur?

Not sure how to remove the metadata . . .

You said you're using 'DxO'. If you're using DxO PhotoLab, it's easy to do. Apparently you're using DxO PureRAW, so I guess you'd need a separate app to remove the metadata.

I am using DxO PL6 . . . will try your suggestion and see what I get . . . never removed Metadata before tho.

but I don't think that will do anything as the capture sharpening seems to be happening anytime a file is opened in C1.

The concept of applying mandatory capture sharpening to all non-RAW images is simply ridiculous because so many of them should not be sharpened any further. If C1 Pro really does that, it's a glaring defect in the programming.

Yes . . . agreed . . . here is the Google AI explanation . . .

Google AI explanation . . .

Yes, Capture One Pro does apply some default sharpening to images even when the sharpening settings are at zero. This default sharpening is part of the capture sharpening stage and is applied based on the camera model. While the sharpening settings in the Details tool tab can be adjusted, the software also applies pre-sharpening during the raw decoding process.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Capture Sharpening:Capture One applies automatic sharpening during the initial capture stage to compensate for potential loss of fine detail during the digital capture process, including anti-aliasing and mosaicking.
• Default Settings:Even with sharpening settings at zero, Capture One will still apply some level of sharpening to the image, as it's part of the default processing workflow.
• Manual Adjustments:While the default sharpening is applied, users can further adjust the amount, radius, and threshold of the sharpening in the Details tool tab to fine-tune the image's sharpness.
• Comparison to Other Software:Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop are also known to apply some degree of sharpening by default.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

V G

C1 does not apply capture sharpening to non raw images. Google AI is just looking at the info for raw images.

Export dialogue showing sharpening defaults.



Ian

BOOM . . . !!!

Export settings were:

Output sharpening for print 60

Output sharpening for screen 60 1.6

So I changed to: Disable all

Did a test and no surplus sharpening applied!!!

Great work and assist Ian . . . greatly appreciated!!!

I had the Sharpening Tool set at zero but not the Export set to zero . . . now it is disabled and we are good!!!

Thanks again Ian . . . AWESOME!!!

And thanks to all other contributors . . . great group here!!!

Best,

V G

 

[ljed]

On the export tab, where you define output folder, filenames or remove metadata, there are definitely options "sharpen for printing" or "sharpen for screen" adjustable from 0 to 100. If you canot see them, look for "unhide advanced..."

 

[Van Griff]

On the export tab, where you define output folder, filenames or remove metadata, there are definitely options "sharpen for printing" or "sharpen for screen" adjustable from 0 to 100. If you canot see them, look for "unhide advanced..."

ljed

Yes . . . that is where the problem was . . . I had some sharpening set there in the output folder that I had forgotten about . . . now disabled and in good shape now!

Thanks for the input!

Best,

V G