Anyone else going to wait for 5D Mark V

[MGrue]

Don't think the mark V will happen.

Would be more interested in RF lenses that are more compact and don't require a kidney donation. RF 50 1.2 looks spetacular but its also the size of a long brick. I wonder if they could come up with an optical formula that made it more similar in size to the EF 50 1.2 L? Size of that was just about perfect though 1.2 was blurry most of the time.

 

[Maverick07]

All really surprised you all those that try to sell you on the DSLR is dead BS. They are trying to get you a rise out of you. Like they really have intel from Canon the line is dead. Too funny.

Historically, Canon makes clean breaks, and Nikon offers more legacy compatibility. Look at F mount vs EF. They've been supporting the same basic mount since the 1950s. Nikon still offers new film cameras and still makes manual focus lenses like the Ai-S 28/2.8.

When I heard about the R5, my first thought was that Canon was going all in on mirrorless, in a way that looks a lot like how they switched from FD to EF when EOS was introduced. Except, in this case they at least made the R series backwards compatible with EF lenses. Forcing everyone to abandon their FD lenses must have lost them a bunch of customers, but they made enough money selling the new EF lenses, and they had some pretty great cameras to help win new ones and even keep some of the angry ones.

Early on in this thread, somebody said something about when EF came out, well, you can always turn off AF. Yes, but no. If you're ever shot with something like a new F-1 or a T90, and then tried MF on an EOS body, you know that that's a real step backwards. No split prism. Crappy little MF rings. Lousy (well, really, no) damping. For most people, switching to mirrorless, after the discomfort of learning some new habits, will not be nearly as disruptive as switching from a T-90 to an EOS 1.

Anyway, if you want the 20 FPS, you're not going to get that with a mirror. Nor are you going to get Eye AF, or AF tracking across the frame. Does everyone need these features? No. But the competition is selling a fair amount of cameras because of them.

I rather doubt we'll see a 5DV, but that's just my guess based on how Canon has made their paradigm shifts in the past. I think that, if you really want to stick with DSLRs for a lot longer, you might look at Nikon, or, if you're adventurous, Pentax.

Agree, just thinking, the change from FD to EF was in a different period, the market was growing. These days, partly because of mobile phones, the market is shrinking. Then it is much more important to keep current customers as getting new customers is difficult. However, I don't have enough information, this may be wrong.

 

[SQLGuy]

Not quite DSLRs but cinema cameras like the BMPC 6k and a few other video products. And it would take nothing for a camera company to make what would then be known as a old school DSLR style camera with all the things a photographer would need.

Isn't that the 5DIV?

 

[Mark B.]

All really surprised you all those that try to sell you on the DSLR is dead BS. They are trying to get you a rise out of you. Like they really have intel from Canon the line is dead. Too funny.

Certainly there are those that just like to stir the pot & create some havoc. At the end of the day, though, it certainly seems like the reality is that Canon is throwing all their development into mirrorless. DSLR bodies will continue to be produced for a while, but there likely won't be much more if anything in the way of new bodies introduced.

Mark

 

[cpharm86]

All really surprised you all those that try to sell you on the DSLR is dead BS. They are trying to get you a rise out of you. Like they really have intel from Canon the line is dead. Too funny.

Certainly there are those that just like to stir the pot & create some havoc. At the end of the day, though, it certainly seems like the reality is that Canon is throwing all their development into mirrorless. DSLR bodies will continue to be produced for a while, but there likely won't be much more if anything in the way of new bodies introduced.

Mark

Plus if it had an “oil leak” like the 1Dx I couldn’t handle all the negativity that would be posted. :-D

 

[DotCom Editor]

Plus if it had an “oil leak” like the 1Dx I couldn’t handle all the negativity that would be posted. :-D

Not to mention the "failure to focus" scandal of the 1D Mark III back in 2007.

 

[Rakumi]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

 

[SQLGuy]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

I know. I just think you're being unrealistic to expect a 3rd party company to create something that's a better EF mount DSLR than the 5DIV.

 

[Rakumi]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

I know. I just think you're being unrealistic to expect a 3rd party company to create something that's a better EF mount DSLR than the 5DIV.

It would be possible if say Canon drops the EF system say in a month and another company starts work to simply improve on the 5D line a year from now. They would not even nees to make it super advance. It could even only have 1080p video but people would buy for the photography side if they are part of the EF system.

 

[jayrandomer]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

I know. I just think you're being unrealistic to expect a 3rd party company to create something that's a better EF mount DSLR than the 5DIV.

It would be possible if say Canon drops the EF system say in a month and another company starts work to simply improve on the 5D line a year from now. They would not even nees to make it super advance. It could even only have 1080p video but people would buy for the photography side if they are part of the EF system.

The capital outlay for Canon to make EF-mount DSLRs is at least an order of magnitude smaller than anyone else. If Canon decides that it's not worth their while to make new EF-mount DSLRs I can't see a new company would calculate the demand so differently.

Frankly the only crazy scenario I could imagine would be an existing DSLR manufacturer making their existing DSLRs compatible with EF lenses. And, since pretty much all DSLR manufacturers make lenses, it seems about as likely as Canon making an inkjet printer that takes HP ink.

 

[Rakumi]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

I know. I just think you're being unrealistic to expect a 3rd party company to create something that's a better EF mount DSLR than the 5DIV.

It would be possible if say Canon drops the EF system say in a month and another company starts work to simply improve on the 5D line a year from now. They would not even nees to make it super advance. It could even only have 1080p video but people would buy for the photography side if they are part of the EF system.

The capital outlay for Canon to make EF-mount DSLRs is at least an order of magnitude smaller than anyone else. If Canon decides that it's not worth their while to make new EF-mount DSLRs I can't see a new company would calculate the demand so differently.

Frankly the only crazy scenario I could imagine would be an existing DSLR manufacturer making their existing DSLRs compatible with EF lenses. And, since pretty much all DSLR manufacturers make lenses, it seems about as likely as Canon making an inkjet printer that takes HP ink.

I totally get what you are saying but this is all under the assumption that Canon continues making their lenses, just not new ones and that they stop making new bodies. And even though you are right that there are plenty of other companies with their own lenses, it is just the idea that all those Canon users of EF are left on the table. Surely a lost profit. Isnt that why this thread was started?

 

[jayrandomer]

I totally get what you are saying but this is all under the assumption that Canon continues making their lenses, just not new ones and that they stop making new bodies. And even though you are right that there are plenty of other companies with their own lenses, it is just the idea that all those Canon users of EF are left on the table. Surely a lost profit. Isnt that why this thread was started?

Canon supports the EF lens on the RF mount. The adapter isn't even that expensive.

The people who *might* be left on the table are the people with EF lenses that need a DSLR. I'm sure that's a reasonably sized market, but experience would suggest it is too small a market to justify making a DSLR from pretty much scratch.

 

[Mark B.]

I totally get what you are saying but this is all under the assumption that Canon continues making their lenses, just not new ones and that they stop making new bodies. And even though you are right that there are plenty of other companies with their own lenses, it is just the idea that all those Canon users of EF are left on the table. Surely a lost profit. Isnt that why this thread was started?

Canon supports the EF lens on the RF mount. The adapter isn't even that expensive.

The people who *might* be left on the table are the people with EF lenses that need a DSLR. I'm sure that's a reasonably sized market, but experience would suggest it is too small a market to justify making a DSLR from pretty much scratch.

If it was worth anyone's while to build a new DSLR around the EF mount, they would have done so years ago. Now with Canon shifting to RF and M, it would not be a good investment in the least.

 

[MitchAlsup]

I was referring to if Canon abandoned the EF system

I know. I just think you're being unrealistic to expect a 3rd party company to create something that's a better EF mount DSLR than the 5DIV.

It would be possible if say Canon drops the EF system say in a month and another company starts work to simply improve on the 5D line a year from now. They would not even nees to make it super advance. It could even only have 1080p video but people would buy for the photography side if they are part of the EF system.

The only way that is even remotely possible is if Canon was willing to sell/spin-off the whole dSLR division AND sell sensors and DIGICs to the new company.

The FAB needed to make sensors is way more than $1B in capitalization expenses. Canon has had time to amortize its FABs. Without FABs one does not have sensors or DIGIC chips.

 

[Digitalshooter2]

I totally get what you are saying but this is all under the assumption that Canon continues making their lenses, just not new ones and that they stop making new bodies. And even though you are right that there are plenty of other companies with their own lenses, it is just the idea that all those Canon users of EF are left on the table. Surely a lost profit. Isnt that why this thread was started?

Canon supports the EF lens on the RF mount. The adapter isn't even that expensive.

The people who *might* be left on the table are the people with EF lenses that need a DSLR. I'm sure that's a reasonably sized market, but experience would suggest it is too small a market to justify making a DSLR from pretty much scratch.

Canon does not have to or will not make 5D V from scratch. It does not make sense.

They will use parts from R5, and 1D iii and put together a very nice 5DV with minimum R&D.

 

[jayrandomer]

I totally get what you are saying but this is all under the assumption that Canon continues making their lenses, just not new ones and that they stop making new bodies. And even though you are right that there are plenty of other companies with their own lenses, it is just the idea that all those Canon users of EF are left on the table. Surely a lost profit. Isnt that why this thread was started?

Canon supports the EF lens on the RF mount. The adapter isn't even that expensive.

The people who *might* be left on the table are the people with EF lenses that need a DSLR. I'm sure that's a reasonably sized market, but experience would suggest it is too small a market to justify making a DSLR from pretty much scratch.

Canon does not have to or will not make 5D V from scratch. It does not make sense.

They will use parts from R5, and 1D iii and put together a very nice 5DV with minimum R&D.

I agree. My point was that Canon is the only company in a good position to make a successor to the 5DIV. If they decide not to (which may have been decided, but has not been communicated to the public), no one else will.

A previous poster had speculated a third party could take over. I find this unlikely for the reasons stated above.

 

[RedFox88]

These days, partly because of mobile phones, the market is shrinking.

No, not because of phones. It’s that small P&S image sensors have gotten good enough for family and personal snapshots. They are just in a small and much more convenient form factor (handheld internet tablet) than in even a small camera let alone a heavy dslr with big lens

Then it is much more important to keep current customers as getting new customers is difficult. However, I don't have enough information, this may be wrong.

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TheBlackGrouse

 

[Will T]

That will be a very long wait.

I am waiting for the 1R!

 

[Maverick07]

These days, partly because of mobile phones, the market is shrinking.

No, not because of phones. It’s that small P&S image sensors have gotten good enough for family and personal snapshots. They are just in a small and much more convenient form factor (handheld internet tablet) than in even a small camera let alone a heavy dslr with big lens

Then it is much more important to keep current customers as getting new customers is difficult. However, I don't have enough information, this may be wrong.

Black Grouse;

Really not because of the phone? emm let's see take a picture with image quality rivaling an SLR, immediately send image out to family/friends almost NRT. So compact it fits almost anywhere. No need to buy or carry additional lens. No lugging a 20 lb ruck.

Hello Canon, real soon it is good by Canon unless there is a major change in support of the DSLR for the prosumer.

 

[jayrandomer]

These days, partly because of mobile phones, the market is shrinking.

No, not because of phones. It’s that small P&S image sensors have gotten good enough for family and personal snapshots. They are just in a small and much more convenient form factor (handheld internet tablet) than in even a small camera let alone a heavy dslr with big lens

Then it is much more important to keep current customers as getting new customers is difficult. However, I don't have enough information, this may be wrong.

Black Grouse;

Really not because of the phone? emm let's see take a picture with image quality rivaling an SLR, immediately send image out to family/friends almost NRT. So compact it fits almost anywhere. No need to buy or carry additional lens. No lugging a 20 lb ruck.

Hello Canon, real soon it is good by Canon unless there is a major change in support of the DSLR for the prosumer.

I don't think phone image quality is up to even 10 year old APS-C DSLRs with kit lens. At least comparing the old T2i that I let my daughters use to my wife's iPhone 11.

That doesn't mean the phone can't take great images, especially in less challenging light, but DSLRs are still noticeably better. I think the bigger issue is that both are way above the threshold for "good enough to record the moment". I would say 99% of the photos I share are from my (now very old) iPhone 6.