A7CR or X100VI?

Hello,

Have you had experience with both? My main system is Sony A7 series, but quite tempted to add a Fuji. Looked at X-T5. But don't want to invest too much in lenses.

Had X-T2 and X100 before, but as I remembered the AF was not so good. They were fun to shoot with, but I ended up wanting more.

Maybe A7CR is a more sensible choice as a smaller setup?

I wish Sony comes out with something with a retro vibe. The Nikon Zf has also been very tempting.

I have got the silver A7CR, it’s very attractive camera. The smallrig lower plate may add even more steampunk look.) Pictures are extraordinary with the right lens, Fuji lens is limiting and not the extraordinary one.
I love 35 1.8. This guy knows how to use it:

X100V / VI: fantastic cameras, but the AF issues esp. with the slow lens motor are still not fixed.

I have both the Sony A7CR and the Fujifilm X100VI. They are nothing alike in day to day use. At least not how I use them.

Out of your post I am not 100% sure what it is that you are looking for. Is it a smaller body? Or do you want a retro / rangefinder style camera? Or is it something else in the Fujifilm brand you are looking for like the film simulations or the dials?

First thing is that the A7CR of course is way more versatile, has way more lens options as you already know, has way better autofocus, has a full frame sensor, is way more expensive.

Why I use the Fujifilm X100VI. It can fit in my jacket pocket. I don't have to carry a backpack, sling or whatever to bring a camera. The A7CR with a lens attached is just bigger and not as compact. And another thing I really enjoy about the X100VI is that I don't have to edit my photos. I like the custom film simulations and I just take a photo and be done with it. The autofocus is not as good as the autofocus of Sony. But for regular shooting in the streets, travelling, portraits it works perfectly fine.

I use the A7CR for moments where I know I want to shoot something and have a purpose to bring the camera and lenses to that place. I edit these photos as well. The Fujifilm goes with me the rest of the day in a jacket pocket.

intrigued 'again' by the dials. I had fuji before, x-t2 and x100. I am afraid, after a few weeks, I will get frustrated again.

probably just GAS kicks in again.

jor23 said:

intrigued 'again' by the dials. I had fuji before, x-t2 and x100. I am afraid, after a few weeks, I will get frustrated again.

probably just GAS kicks in again.

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I am now suffering the opposite GAS (from Fuji to A7C) but will not part my Fuji love

I have both. X100vi and on my A7cr the Sigma 85mm 1.4 is a great combo, fits in a peakdesign 6l bag. So „and“ not „or“ is the solution. So i can use 35mm, crop 52mm, 85mm and crop 127mm.

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jor23 said:

Hello,

Have you had experience with both? My main system is Sony A7 series, but quite tempted to add a Fuji. Looked at X-T5. But don't want to invest too much in lenses.

Had X-T2 and X100 before, but as I remembered the AF was not so good. They were fun to shoot with, but I ended up wanting more.

Maybe A7CR is a more sensible choice as a smaller setup?

I wish Sony comes out with something with a retro vibe. The Nikon Zf has also been very tempting.

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The problem with posts such as this is:

1. You haven't stated your genres.

2. You haven't stated your genres.

and

3. You haven't stated your genres.

Aside from that:

1. What are you trying to achieve?

2. What is this "wanting more" you mentioned?

More of what?

3. Do you want small, retro, what?

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable). The exceptions are that they don't offer the hybrid optical EVF and the Fuji film sims, either of which may or may not be significant in your thinking about this.

On the other hand simply liking a camera can be very important and get you using it. Bear in mind that a camera is just a tool for a purpose....

R

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable). The exceptions are that they don't offer the hybrid optical EVF and the Fuji film sims, either of which may or may not be significant in your thinking about this.

On the other hand simply liking a camera can be very important and get you using it. Bear in mind that a camera is just a tool for a purpose....

R

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For some it’s not just a tool… it needs to inspire you using it. So no matter how technically better the A7C range is over the X100V, at the end, someone could prefer using the X100.

Yannis1976 said:

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable). The exceptions are that they don't offer the hybrid optical EVF and the Fuji film sims, either of which may or may not be significant in your thinking about this.

On the other hand simply liking a camera can be very important and get you using it. Bear in mind that a camera is just a tool for a purpose....

R

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For some it’s not just a tool… it needs to inspire you using it. So no matter how technically better the A7C range is over the X100V, at the end, someone could prefer using the X100.

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I agree, which is I guess what I was getting at in the bit about liking a camera. OTOH, it's about balance - people sometimes lose sight of the the fact that it is about delivering images rather than the camera itself.

Cheers, R

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable).

R

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The image of the Fuji as compact and small and a fixed lens distorts the reality a bit:

• The Sony a7C is 3% (4 mm) narrower and 5% (3.7 mm) shorter than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C is 12% (6.4 mm) thicker than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C [509 g] weights 2% (12 grams) less than FujiFilm X100VI[521 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
• Sony a7C dimensions: 124x71.1x59.7 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
  FujiFilm X100VI dimensions: 128x74.8x53.3 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)

(From the camera size comparison site)



If you want small, one of the small Sony primes for example f/2.5 28/40/50 and seize and weight are nearly the same.

jor23 said:

Hello,

Have you had experience with both? My main system is Sony A7 series, but quite tempted to add a Fuji. Looked at X-T5. But don't want to invest too much in lenses.

Had X-T2 and X100 before, but as I remembered the AF was not so good. They were fun to shoot with, but I ended up wanting more.

Maybe A7CR is a more sensible choice as a smaller setup?

I wish Sony comes out with something with a retro vibe. The Nikon Zf has also been very tempting.

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What I don't like about Fuji and what lots of people do like, it the retro look. I don't like retro looking objects. I'm old enough to actually know that stuff from the past and I don't want to go back.

The fixed lens options are not to my liking. I prefer zoomlenses.

PieterB said:

jor23 said:

Hello,

Have you had experience with both? My main system is Sony A7 series, but quite tempted to add a Fuji. Looked at X-T5. But don't want to invest too much in lenses.

Had X-T2 and X100 before, but as I remembered the AF was not so good. They were fun to shoot with, but I ended up wanting more.

Maybe A7CR is a more sensible choice as a smaller setup?

I wish Sony comes out with something with a retro vibe. The Nikon Zf has also been very tempting.

Click to expand...

What I don't like about Fuji and what lots of people do like, it the retro look. I don't like retro looking objects. I'm old enough to actually know that stuff from the past and I don't want to go back.

The fixed lens options are not to my liking. I prefer zoomlenses.

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I like the so-called retro look, but prefer the tech of the Sony cameras. For me, the dials etc. simply make sense, it’s not ornamental.

If someone who just starts would be confronted with a Sony etc., it’s like you have to make 435 decisions before even thinking about to release the shutter. The SS, Aperture, Metering, EC and ISO define above all the pictures you take. You can easily set up a Sony or alike camera that way, I admit it, and even more so set it up to your individual likings, but it’s like calling tuners on a guitar retro and hiding the possibility to tune your strings in a sub menu and where ordinary guitars have their tuners, you set parameters of a plugin in your DAW. It calms me down and focuses me, when there are dedicated dials for the main stuff.

DirkPeh said:

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable).

R

Click to expand...

The image of the Fuji as compact and small and a fixed lens distorts the reality a bit:

• The Sony a7C is 3% (4 mm) narrower and 5% (3.7 mm) shorter than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C is 12% (6.4 mm) thicker than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C [509 g] weights 2% (12 grams) less than FujiFilm X100VI[521 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
• Sony a7C dimensions: 124x71.1x59.7 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
  FujiFilm X100VI dimensions: 128x74.8x53.3 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)

(From the camera size comparison site)

If you want small, one of the small Sony primes for example f/2.5 28/40/50 and seize and weight are nearly the same.

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As soon as you add a lens to A7C (and any other ILC body) dimensions are favorable for Fuji.

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Yannis

DirkPeh said:

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable).

R

Click to expand...

The image of the Fuji as compact and small and a fixed lens distorts the reality a bit:

• The Sony a7C is 3% (4 mm) narrower and 5% (3.7 mm) shorter than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C is 12% (6.4 mm) thicker than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C [509 g] weights 2% (12 grams) less than FujiFilm X100VI[521 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
• Sony a7C dimensions: 124x71.1x59.7 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
  FujiFilm X100VI dimensions: 128x74.8x53.3 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)

(From the camera size comparison site)

If you want small, one of the small Sony primes for example f/2.5 28/40/50 and seize and weight are nearly the same.

Click to expand...

And yet it is a completely different experience. The Sony with a lens is a lot bigger. I own both camera's and also the 40mm f2.5 G lens.

Just look at the size difference below. The Sony + lens is around 25% heavier. But most important (for me at least), you can't fit the Sony + a lens in your jacket pocket. The Fujifilm X100VI fits in my jacket with ease. For the Sony you need to bring a sling, backpack or something else.

Of course something like the Ricoh GRIII(x) is even more pocketable if you can deal with the missing EVF.

It's crazy that Sony managed to make the A7cR as small as it is. From the front it even appears smaller than a fixed lens APS-C camera!

About experience, if you value IQ or AF or being able to change lenses, then go for Sony.

If not, then the Fuji is fine.

DirkPeh said:

If someone who just starts would be confronted with a Sony etc., it’s like you have to make 435 decisions before even thinking about to release the shutter. The SS, Aperture, Metering, EC and ISO define above all the pictures you take. You can easily set up a Sony or alike camera that way, I admit it, and even more so set it up to your individual likings, but it’s like calling tuners on a guitar retro and hiding the possibility to tune your strings in a sub menu and where ordinary guitars have their tuners, you set parameters of a plugin in your DAW. It calms me down and focuses me, when there are dedicated dials for the main stuff.

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I agree that it can be overwhelming. I have shot with Sony since their first camera so I'm so used with all these settings that it has become easy.

I have been following this thread with a confused expression on my face. The A7CR and Fuji X100vi are two entirely different cameras. The Sony is roughly twice the price of the Fuji and has a FF sensor, as opposed to the Fuji’s APSC sensor. The Sony is a full function, interchangeable lens camera while the Fuji is essentially a fixed lens point and shoot, and in that regard, a better comparison would be between the Fuji and the Leica Q3. It should be obvious to anyone who wears pants that the A7RC is not pocketable, and likely was not meant to be. If the OP wants a purely pocketable camera he/she might be better served by searching for a used Olympus Pen F. It has interchangeable lenses and is as close to a pocketable camera as I have ever seen … I happen to have one in my collection, so I have first hand experience.

I should state that—among a collection many different cameras—I own both an A7RV and an A7CR, the latter is carried in a small shoulder bag, while the former is also carried in a larger shoulder bag. I’m not convinced that carrying a camera—other than one’s smartphone—in a pocket is a good idea from the perspective of longevity. But that’s just my opinion, and others obviously feel differently, as they are surely entitled to.

ricktachtig said:

DirkPeh said:

Rod McD said:

Hi,

It doesn't seem that you've clearly identified your goals. The A7Cii or R can do everything the X100VI will do and some of them better (at the cost of being bigger, less pocketable and less affordable).

R

Click to expand...

The image of the Fuji as compact and small and a fixed lens distorts the reality a bit:

• The Sony a7C is 3% (4 mm) narrower and 5% (3.7 mm) shorter than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C is 12% (6.4 mm) thicker than FujiFilm X100VI.
• Sony a7C [509 g] weights 2% (12 grams) less than FujiFilm X100VI[521 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
• Sony a7C dimensions: 124x71.1x59.7 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
  FujiFilm X100VI dimensions: 128x74.8x53.3 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)

(From the camera size comparison site)

If you want small, one of the small Sony primes for example f/2.5 28/40/50 and seize and weight are nearly the same.

Click to expand...

And yet it is a completely different experience. The Sony with a lens is a lot bigger. I own both camera's and also the 40mm f2.5 G lens.

Just look at the size difference below. The Sony + lens is around 25% heavier. But most important (for me at least), you can't fit the Sony + a lens in your jacket pocket. The Fujifilm X100VI fits in my jacket with ease. For the Sony you need to bring a sling, backpack or something else.

Of course something like the Ricoh GRIII(x) is even more pocketable if you can deal with the missing EVF.

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Although I agree with you, but how many Fuji X100 users have a lens hood, favourably a hipster square hood one

I own a Sony A6400, a GRIII and a X100V and as I wrote before, the GR and the Fuji are my EDC's. And the A6400 is even smaller. It’s not the size or weight.