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RUMOR - Fujifilm X-T5 won't have battery grip

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forest dream said:
Yannis1976 said:
forest dream said:
Em...Canon EOS M (e.g. Canon M50, M6 Mark II) accounts for 30% of Canon’s sales but ....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66193661
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Still the X-T line was a breaking point for Fuji, can’t believe they will mess it that much!
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IMO Fuji products manager splited X-Tx line into X-Tx, X-H2s & X-H2.
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I'd say Fuji realised the product segmentation in the X-H1 / X-T4 generation was messy
forest dream said:
Since some consumer mentioned video feature make camera cost more, demand cheaper STILLS oriented camera, Fuji investor demand more profit margin.

IMO Alternative products segmentation:
  • Flagship $2499 X-H2s - PASM 40fps for STILLS and 4K 120p for video
  • Upper midrange $2199 X-H2 - PASM 40MP for STILLS (support vertical portrait via grip) and 8K 30p for 30 minutes video
  • Lower midrange $1999 X-T5 - retro 40MP for STILLS and 8K 30p for 10 minutes short video clip
  • Legacy retro midrange (26MP) with IBIS $1499 X-T4 WWW (without charger)
  • $1099 X-T3 discontinued
  • Entry-level $1,099 X-S20 (PASM with IBIS)
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Toplevel in APSC ["flagship" in MF]: speed X-H2s [2500], resolution X-H2 [2000], PASM

Upper mid X-T5, dials 40MP [1750] first half 2023, X-pro second half [1850]

Entry / lower mid level later, 2 or 3 models

Older models not discontinued while stock lasts
forest dream said:
In above, retro STILLS oriented consider affordable tier under Fuji new line-up. Investor happy because increase profit margin.
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More importantly most users can find a model that suits their needs and what they are willing to pay, which means sales volume
 
Yannis1976 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji may think PASM dials + IBIS can be affordable ($999 X-S10l) because other brands ($1299 Nikon Z5, FF had IBIS).

Only $1499 Canon R7 has IBIS. So, $1499 X-T5 WWW (without charger) with IBIS seem reasonable for product segmentation.
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Olympus and Panasonic m43 models all have ibis and m43 is a competing format for Fuji….
Sony A6600 and 6500 also have ibis.
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Partial agree, Fuji may think PASM dials + IBIS can be affordable ($999 X-S10l) because other brands has. It is because other brands (except Nikon Z fc).

Nikon Z fc (which retro dial) also hasn't IBIS.

For other model which use retro dials, Fuji will not give IBIS below $1499 category.

Above products segmentation is main reason why Fujifilm never release X-T40 ($999 retro dials with IBIS).
 
jhorse said:
Bob Jonesburyson said:
I’d love it if the X-T5 was physically more like an X-T3, but with higher resolution and faster autofocus. No flippy screen, leave that for the X-H2. IBIS only if they can trim it down from the bulky implementation of the X-T4. The cost could probably be kept down somewhat by skipping the battery grip. Folks wanting a big old battery grip would probably be better served by an X-H2 anyways.

Let the X-T5 be a gorgeous little retro camera like the X-T3 was. The bulkier, less traditional and more practical X-H2 can duke it out with full frame cameras with features like a flippy screen, battery grip, and PASM.
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With you all the way and no less 'pro' for not having a battery grip. 'Pro' is a marketing, subjective label designed to appeal to mass markets, which virtually no company seems able to resist using across many product lines.
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I think I'm not blinded by marketing and PRO labels, but If I was responsible for design of cameta for PRO segment, I would definitely add grip option as it might be needed in some situations and lack of grip may affect purchase decision or even perceivng of the whole system. So far I live without the grip, but I can imagine, that for event/ wedding potographer it may be very useful.

Cheers,

Artur
 
forest dream said:
Artur Darulewski said:
KaleLinux0 said:
New rumor: https://www.fujirumors.com/rumor-fujifilm-x-t5-will-not-have-battery-grip-option-new-source/

Any thoughts?
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Well, X-T3/4 were positioned as pro cameras, but it seems that X-T5 won't be perceived as pro anymore. I'm afraid it will be rather X-T40/50 equivalent and we might not get classic X-T3 on steroids, but rather X-T30 with new sensor and CPU - Time will tell.
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How about price? Please didn't tell me X-T40/50 equivalent but X-T5 price 😛
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Well, price tags were lifted up due to pandemic, war, lack of components, etc. I must admit that I wouldnt be surprised if X-T5 won't be just and upgrade, maybe some features will be removed (grip option is a good example).

I wish I was wrong, but I'm afraid X-T5 will not be the camera I'm waiting for (as I already have X-T3 and X-T20)

Cheers,

Artur
 
The hypothesis that this hints at the possibility of Fuji merging the Tx and Txx lines is interesting.

For me at least, the thought of a camera approaching X-Txx size, but taking the ISO dial, weather resistance and large viewfinder from the Tx line, and having a much tidier rear like the X-E3/4 and X100V, has a definite appeal. (Not for everyone, of course—you can’t please all the people all of the time.)
 
robert1955 said:
forest dream said:
Since some consumer mentioned video feature make camera cost more, demand cheaper STILLS oriented camera, Fuji investor demand more profit margin.

IMO Alternative products segmentation:
  • Flagship $2499 X-H2s - PASM 40fps for STILLS and 4K 120p for video
  • Upper midrange $2199 X-H2 - PASM 40MP for STILLS (support vertical portrait via grip) and 8K 30p for 30 minutes video
  • Lower midrange $1999 X-T5 - retro 40MP for STILLS and 8K 30p for 10 minutes short video clip
  • Legacy retro midrange (26MP) with IBIS $1499 X-T4 WWW (without charger)
  • $1099 X-T3 discontinued
  • Entry-level $1,099 X-S20 (PASM with IBIS)
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Toplevel in APSC ["flagship" in MF]: speed X-H2s [2500], resolution X-H2 [2000], PASM

Upper mid X-T5, dials 40MP [1750] first half 2023, X-pro second half [1850]

Entry / lower mid level later, 2 or 3 models

Older models not discontinued while stock lasts
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X-H2 will 100% same with H-X2s except use 40MP BSI-CMOS sensor.

X-T5 will 100% same with X-H2 except use retro dials and missing monochrome top-plate LCD screen.

IMO Fujifilm X-T5 price will be only cheaper $100-200 than X-H2.

Below features same for both X-H2 and X-T5:
  • 40MP BSI-CMOS sensor
  • X-Processor 5
  • Weather sealing
  • CFExpress Type B + UHS-II SD card
 
Removing options is never a good thing.

If you shoot vertical, having shutter button and dials on a BG it's quite useful.

So it seem if you need a BG you have to buy an H2 body and switch to PSAM controls, doesn't seem a great news to me.
 
Nikon Z6 II / Z7 II
Sony A7 line
Canon R5 / R6 and Panasonic S6 have an optional BG, it seem fujifilm see xt5 in a lower category
 
forest dream said:
robert1955 said:
forest dream said:
Since some consumer mentioned video feature make camera cost more, demand cheaper STILLS oriented camera, Fuji investor demand more profit margin.

IMO Alternative products segmentation:
  • Flagship $2499 X-H2s - PASM 40fps for STILLS and 4K 120p for video
  • Upper midrange $2199 X-H2 - PASM 40MP for STILLS (support vertical portrait via grip) and 8K 30p for 30 minutes video
  • Lower midrange $1999 X-T5 - retro 40MP for STILLS and 8K 30p for 10 minutes short video clip
  • Legacy retro midrange (26MP) with IBIS $1499 X-T4 WWW (without charger)
  • $1099 X-T3 discontinued
  • Entry-level $1,099 X-S20 (PASM with IBIS)
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Toplevel in APSC ["flagship" in MF]: speed X-H2s [2500], resolution X-H2 [2000], PASM

Upper mid X-T5, dials 40MP [1750] first half 2023, X-pro second half [1850]

Entry / lower mid level later, 2 or 3 models

Older models not discontinued while stock lasts
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X-H2 will 100% same with H-X2s except use 40MP BSI-CMOS sensor.

X-T5 will 100% same with X-H2 except use retro dials and missing monochrome top-plate LCD screen.

IMO Fujifilm X-T5 price will be only cheaper $100-200 than X-H2.

Below features same for both X-H2 and X-T5:
  • 40MP BSI-CMOS sensor
  • X-Processor 5
  • Weather sealing
  • CFExpress Type B + UHS-II SD card
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I think that H2 line have a bit more rugged body (reinforced lens mount, maybe better sealing) could have different shutter more robust) and IBIS.

There could be more differecies as well, the question is how much Fuji is going to differentiate both lines (no grip support has been already mentioned).

Cheers,

Artur
 
Artur Darulewski said:
jhorse said:
With you all the way and no less 'pro' for not having a battery grip. 'Pro' is a marketing, subjective label designed to appeal to mass markets, which virtually no company seems able to resist using across many product lines.
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I think I'm not blinded by marketing and PRO labels, but If I was responsible for design of cameta for PRO segment, I would definitely add grip option as it might be needed in some situations and lack of grip may affect purchase decision or even perceivng of the whole system. So far I live without the grip, but I can imagine, that for event/ wedding potographer it may be very useful.

Cheers,

Artur
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I'm sure you are not, but I find it an overused, hyped word. For example, my next BMW, on order doesn't have an Eco mode, as my current one does, but - wait for it - Eco Pro! Utter hype!

But I take your point about some photographers wanting a battery grip and your point about purchasing decisions is well made. If the rumour is true, then I can only think that the XT3 and 4 battery grips did not sell well enough to warrant the costs or turn a profit. We shall see...
 
Artur Darulewski said:
KaleLinux0 said:
New rumor: https://www.fujirumors.com/rumor-fujifilm-x-t5-will-not-have-battery-grip-option-new-source/

Any thoughts?
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Well, X-T3/4 were positioned as pro cameras, but it seems that X-T5 won't be perceived as pro anymore.
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Who cares as long as it’s a great camera? Professionals come in many forms and use everything from low end cameras to the best of the best.
Artur Darulewski said:
I'm afraid it will be rather X-T40/50 equivalent and we might not get classic X-T3 on steroids, but rather X-T30 with new sensor and CPU - Time will tell.
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Of course it’s still going to be the X-Tx series… Fuji knows how many battery grips they’ve sold. I’d imagine it isn’t as many as you think for this series. This news in no way says the X-Tx range is going to somehow now be a $900 camera.
Artur Darulewski said:
Cheers,

Artur
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Kaoticphoto said:
Removing options is never a good thing.
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Its ok if that option didn’t sell in the first place.
Member said:
If you shoot vertical, having shutter button and dials on a BG it's quite useful.
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Yet, most of my photography is vertical and I’ve never used one. Many others too.
Member said:
So it seem if you need a BG you have to buy an H2 body and switch to PSAM controls, doesn't seem a great news to me.
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If you truly NEED a battery grip, then yes. Or keep using what you’ve been using. Or switch brands, etc.
 
John Gellings said:
Kaoticphoto said:
Removing options is never a good thing.
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Its ok if that option didn’t sell in the first place.
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May be it's ok for fuji, not for me.

John Gellings said:
John Gellings said:
If you shoot vertical, having shutter button and dials on a BG it's quite useful.
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Yet, most of my photography is vertical and I’ve never used one. Many others too.
John Gellings said:
So it seem if you need a BG you have to buy an H2 body and switch to PSAM controls, doesn't seem a great news to me.
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If you truly NEED a battery grip, then yes. Or keep using what you’ve been using. Or switch brands, etc
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Sure, but here we are discussing about the xt5 BG rumors
 
John Gellings said:
Artur Darulewski said:
KaleLinux0 said:
New rumor: https://www.fujirumors.com/rumor-fujifilm-x-t5-will-not-have-battery-grip-option-new-source/

Any thoughts?
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Well, X-T3/4 were positioned as pro cameras, but it seems that X-T5 won't be perceived as pro anymore.
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Who cares as long as it’s a great camera? Professionals come in many forms and use everything from low end cameras to the best of the best.
John Gellings said:
I'm afraid it will be rather X-T40/50 equivalent and we might not get classic X-T3 on steroids, but rather X-T30 with new sensor and CPU - Time will tell.
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Of course it’s still going to be the X-Tx series… Fuji knows how many battery grips they’ve sold. I’d imagine it isn’t as many as you think for this series. This news in no way says the X-Tx range is going to somehow now be a $900 camera.
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Who cares if Fujifilm didn’t sell that many grips. THE CUSTOMER wants a battery grip, and that is exactly what Fujifilm must produce. Hey man, as long as there is a third party grip I’m cool with that.



FYI Nikon made that really stupid mistake with the Z6/7 and people were P***D. Yeah maybe they didn’t sell that many grips but so what. So they were (forced) to come out with “version II” bodies but by that time Nikon’s customers were not so happy about any of it.

If Fujifilm makes this move they’ll be definitely screwing me big time because I like and I’m a dial type of shooter WITH battery grips. Both my XT1 bodies have battery grips as well as my new XT3. If Fuji takes that away from me I’m screwed, and no I won’t be forced to buy a XH body because those cameras are not for me, as it is they already took the dials out as well as the tilt screen which IMHO was a mistake.



If Fujifilm removes a battery grip option then this simply means that the XT3 will be the last Fujifilm camera I will buy. That ain’t cool.
John Gellings said:
John Gellings said:
Cheers,

Artur
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Batdude said:
John Gellings said:
Artur Darulewski said:
KaleLinux0 said:
New rumor: https://www.fujirumors.com/rumor-fujifilm-x-t5-will-not-have-battery-grip-option-new-source/

Any thoughts?
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Well, X-T3/4 were positioned as pro cameras, but it seems that X-T5 won't be perceived as pro anymore.
Click to expand...
Who cares as long as it’s a great camera? Professionals come in many forms and use everything from low end cameras to the best of the best.
Batdude said:
I'm afraid it will be rather X-T40/50 equivalent and we might not get classic X-T3 on steroids, but rather X-T30 with new sensor and CPU - Time will tell.
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Of course it’s still going to be the X-Tx series… Fuji knows how many battery grips they’ve sold. I’d imagine it isn’t as many as you think for this series. This news in no way says the X-Tx range is going to somehow now be a $900 camera.
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Who cares if Fujifilm didn’t sell that many grips. THE CUSTOMER wants a battery grip, and that is exactly what Fujifilm must produce. Hey man, as long as there is a third party grip I’m cool with that.
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I totally agree with you, but if Fujifilm doesn't produce a grip, for sure xt5 will miss needed contacts, so you can forget about 3rd party options
 
Bob Jonesburyson said:
I’d love it if the X-T5 was physically more like an X-T3, but with higher resolution and faster autofocus. No flippy screen, leave that for the X-H2. IBIS only if they can trim it down from the bulky implementation of the X-T4. The cost could probably be kept down somewhat by skipping the battery grip. Folks wanting a big old battery grip would probably be better served by an X-H2 anyways.

Let the X-T5 be a gorgeous little retro camera like the X-T3 was. The bulkier, less traditional and more practical X-H2 can duke it out with full frame cameras with features like a flippy screen, battery grip, and PASM.
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”a gorgeous little” camera? The XT bodies are not little and Fuji does provide those in a more “little” bodies.



Bulkier has absolutely (nothing) to do with it.
 
Rod McD said:
Hi,

If the rumor is borne out, I suspect opinions will be as split on this as screen designs. Michael may well be right about product differentiation. To which I would add cost containment in difficult times. Hopefully they don't cut features on the camera itself.
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Difficult times or no difficult time there are some things you just don’t do, and removing the option for a battery grip is one of them.
Rod McD said:
Some people need grips and love them. It won't be an issue for me. I don't find vertical shooting requires a grip. And batteries in the pocket work fine for me.
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I don’t love them, I do indeed (need) it.
Rod McD said:
Cheers, Rod
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forest dream said:
michaeladawson said:
KaleLinux0 said:
New rumor: https://www.fujirumors.com/rumor-fujifilm-x-t5-will-not-have-battery-grip-option-new-source/

Any thoughts?
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Fujifilm has to do something to better differentiate the top half of the product lines. I see the grip rumor as just one bullet point in that differentiation.
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Other differentiation may be include :
  • Missing monochrome LCD top-plate screen
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I'm hoping they stick with the XT EC dial on the XT5 and future XT's.
forest dream said:
  • EVF - back to X-T2 spec
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I hope they stick with at least the XT4's EVF (3.69mpx) or better. Why go back further to the XT1/2 (2.36mpx) EVF?
forest dream said:
  • Tilting screen - back to X-T2 spec
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LCD screens aren't a deal breaking issue for me, but if asked, I'd prefer the XT2 screen over a fully articulated screen like the XT4's. I've used both and preferred the tilt screen on the lens axis.

Regards, Rod
 
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