Rick Knepper
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Keep the 5D4, sell the 5D3 and the Sony cr@p. Most everything in digital MF has a Sony sensor and better DR than the Sony FFs. The Hassleblad X1D-50c or the forthcoming Fugi GFX 50S are cherap-ish.
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Pulled the trigger on a 5D Mark IV - Was it the right thing to do?
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BlueCosmo5050
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Jonathan Brady
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When I used to bring equipment with me capable of capturing everything and anything, I often felt like I must capture everything and anything. Now when I bring the equipment I want to use to capture the images I want to capture, that's what I do. And I end up with far fewer images, but percentage wise, MANY more that I'm happy with. I think a lot of the people in these forums that constantly hold 1" superzoom cameras up on a pedestal are in a similar situation to my first scenario above. I've seen people state that they go out with one of those and take hundreds of images of anything and everything several times per week and I'm just sitting there thinking... "WHY!?!?!" After a year you'd have tens of thousands of images to sort through and that makes photography not so fun, IMO. Concentrating on the images (and thus the gear) that REALLY matters allows me to enjoy everything so much more.
The headache of deciding what equipment to use is so true.
To OP, you clearly have an extensive collection of lenses and bodies. In real life practical terms, I doubt if the 5d4 or any other camera will make a real difference to your photographs. So perhaps the real question is why do you want the new body? If you just want it, by all means, just keep it!
You don't list any lighting equipment- that might an area of exploration if you have not already done so.
To OP, you clearly have an extensive collection of lenses and bodies. In real life practical terms, I doubt if the 5d4 or any other camera will make a real difference to your photographs. So perhaps the real question is why do you want the new body? If you just want it, by all means, just keep it!
You don't list any lighting equipment- that might an area of exploration if you have not already done so.
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I sort of understand what you are trying to say but I don't think anyone at Canon would be very happy to have their products compared with a Ford F-150, which has got to have some of the most unsophisticated engineering of almost any vehicle on sale.
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Rxb,
Well my real modivation for getting the 5D Mark IV was the frustration I felt with the ergonomics and robustness of the A7RII. I love its Low noise, IBIS, EVF, Eye-AF and DR and the smaller, high quality primes that Zeiss makes for it. I still felt the Canon gave me better colors though. The Sony's usage was another story and don't get me started on the flash system capability. If it where not for Godox and Phottix it would be considered crippled in that area if I get to vote. Don't know about studio strobe usage as much.
Also the problem was I liked the Sony's higher resolution and its overal image sensor a lot more than my 5D Mark III. So I decieded I would consider doubling down on Canon and went back and forth on the 5D IV and the 5DSR. As a side note, the last three portrait sessions I did with both the A7RII + Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 and the 5D Mark III + 70-200/2.8L II or 135L the subject picked the 5D III based pictures as keepers 4 to 1. Got me thinking about it some. Another note, I used the same Adorama version of the Godox AD360-C with both Sony and Canon version of the trigger and that cross system capability was great.
In the end I decided the improved noise, AF, dynamic range and overal flexibility of the 5D Mark IV was a better choice for my shooting variety than getting the 5DSR. Also I've decided to sell the 5D III to help pay for it and keep the A7RII for a little while but will use it only for Landscape and Architecture. For portraits and events the 5DIV will become my mainstay. Although the the Batis 85 with IS and the A7RII with IBIS was nice to shoot portraits with. The sharpest eyes I'm able to get due to the limitation of my shooting skills with the 135L and 85L II. Maybe with the 5DIV that will change.
As far as lighting goes I do own some. I own ST-E3-RT + 3 x 600EX-RT, a 400EX-II with a YN-E3-RX along the Godox AD360-C, CL-180 bare bulb flashes, some lightstands, umbrellas, a softbox, beauty dish, and a octobox. For the Sony I own their HVL-F43M on camera flash and Godox TT685-S. I adapt the AD360-C to the Canon RT system with a Phottix Laso receiver or use it with the Godox X1T-C ad X1T-S that I own. Bought the 600EX-RT for wedding but may think about selling two of them and trying a Godox AD600II but we'll see.
But to finally come clean. Yes I am also a gear head. Come by it naturally as an electrical engineer that has designed a camera sensor system once, a lot of signal processing solutions and some image/graphic processors. Last 10 years I whav been working more on cell phone electronics but image processing is my favor area of interest.
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Mike CH
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And now its full of holes and all in pieces?
No, that is not the right thing to do, at all.
Oh, wait - you mean you bought a camera?
Regards, Mike
No, that is not the right thing to do, at all.
Oh, wait - you mean you bought a camera?
Regards, Mike
That is definitely very important. I remember my old cars with the rotary controls for HVAC and radio - I had muscle memory of all the controls and did not have to look down to change a setting. Newer cars have fancier buttons but even after many years, just do not have the same muscle memory.
Of course, that is not the sole reason to go with one system or other but in fast moving situations, I suspect that make the difference between getting a shot or not.
Looks like you are all set. I would think twice about getting rid of the flashes. Given how portable they are, you are more likely to carry them.
WHY do you think you need so many different camera bodies?
Pick one or two and get used to them, how they handle and I bet your images will improve and your confidence in your gear and ability will at the same time.
Familiarity with what is in your hands will do more to help you get better results than any new gear will.
Pick one or two and get used to them, how they handle and I bet your images will improve and your confidence in your gear and ability will at the same time.
Familiarity with what is in your hands will do more to help you get better results than any new gear will.
Well I understand your position but cameras are a passion. I also collect them as well. As a matter of fact just picked up a classic, mint, Nikon FM2, just yesterday at the local camera shop. I have about half dozen classic film cameras I've collected over the last 7 years. Some I wanted to own when they were new and shiny and some I just wanted to experience.
For day to day use I had been using just the A7RII the most with my 5D Mark III for events or when flash was a must have for the last year. The 1DX is also used quite a bit but mostly for the dozen sporting events I do each year. I tried downsizing it to an a 7D Mark II but in the end decided since I had purchased the 1DX three years earlier I would keep it because it really is a better camera.
So while three cameras may seem a lot to you for me I can live with it if they offer enough difference in capability. After all if you think a 1DX and a A7RII are interchangeable or a backup for each other your obviously have never used either. I don't prescribe to using a hammer where a screw driver is a better fit.
Have fun and thanks for judging me.
Steve W
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David Franklin
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In a word, yes. It was. I have had many others, apparently a few more than have you, and, although I am not totally blown away as though by some advanced alien technology, everything is better. That's more than good enough for me, as I was able to do more than satisfactory work with my 5D3's before. Enjoy it.
Regards,
David
Regards,
David
David,
Thanks. I have now taken the camera out of the box but left everything in the box wrapped up like new. I have pleanty of batteries and two chargers so I din't want to disturb that stuff yet.
I have configured most of it so far and taken a 1/2 dozen shots. It feels really good to hold and in so many ways its really familiar. Also I am amazed how quick the touch screen make it to setup and configure and move from mode to mode.
The 30 Mpixels does hit the sweet spot for so many cases so I think I made the right decision vs the 5DSR.
Also, my Kirk Arca-swiss plate for the 5DIII fits it just fine IMHO so that will work until I get my grip and L-plate for it although the built in grip is different enough from the 5DIII to make it easier to hold withoutthe additional battery grip.
Steve W.
Rick Knepper
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One has nothing to do with the other un less you are using one as an excuse for the other.
There are many good reasons to own multi[le bodies and brands. Until a single manufacturer builds a camera where for each shot one can dial in their desired resolution, DR, color appearance, fps, buffer size, number of AF points, etc. and comes up with a universal lens mount, and one does not want to be limited, then it you pretty much need multiple bodies & brands.
If you are a guy that is comfortable with what your camera gives you, then you are blessed in a way.
Besides, operating a camera proficiently isn't rocket science (Nikon notwithstanding - admittedly owning multiple brands is easier without Nikon in the mix). It is the situation that can be challenging.
Walter,
That is an interesting metaphor and it makes a lot of sense although sometimes is feels more like the quest for the holy grail.
I definately think my days with the A7RII are numbered. Last night I decided to take it to just a family event with two lenses and a flash. Lets say the experience just wasn't pleasing. At the beginning of this thread I took some advice and tried changing the setup to prevent the viewfinder and rear lcd from arbitrarily switching back and forth due to its oversensitivity and tied the switch to a configurable button. Initially I thought that would work pretty well. Well while makes the camera more predictable it was some what of a pain to use in that mode. I may get used to it but right now it definately seemed funny.
What made it worse was the way the camaera and TTL flash interacted. Just seemed to be this undescribable delay that made me very uncertain if I got the shot I was after. Its almost as if there was some extra delay that the TTL flash caused. Normally I don't use TTL when I have time to set up. I set my camera manually and my flash manually and hadn't noticed it before. Also did for the first time notice Sony's approach to stopping down the lens during focus slowed down the camera AF as well. This was a very different experience than when I use my 5D Mark III and Canon speedlights which I would have normally used for an event, family or professionaly.
In some way its too bad since Zeiss has made a serious commitment to Sony's FE cameras and I love their approach to keeping the lenses smaller.
All that said the journey with the Sony looks like its coming to an end. Between these things and the really smooth feel and shooting experience of my new 5D Mark IV I'm just more comfortable feeling I will get the shot I want with the Canon.
Thanks to all the amatuer shrinks trying to analyse my need to try and experiment with different gear. You can move on and find a forum on a website about boats, cars, guitars, and stereo equipment.
Steve W
Rick,
+100. :-D
Steve W
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