60D better than the 7D??

ESguy · Jul 29, 2012

The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

MonteCarlo67 · Jul 29, 2012

I have the 7D now and had the 60D before it. In no way is the 60D's viewfinder better. As for the screen, I guess you might consider it better with its ability to rotate but that is a user preference kind of thing. Myself, I don't miss it. The built in flash is really no different. The fact that they share the same sensor might make the 60D a better value but that of course depends on your needs. The 7D's added build quality, speed and weather sealing make it an overall better camera. If those things are meaningless to you, only then does the 60D become better value. My guess is that they are looking at it from just that, a value viewpoint. But take price out of the picture and I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would call the 60D better than the 7D.

Brian D. Schneider · Jul 29, 2012

ESguy said:
The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

Nonsense. 7D has better VF, LCD about the same, better flash.

60D has slightly better IQ. 7D can show verticle banding when pushing shadows too far, 60D shows none. At least on mine, I hav e both.
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DarthVader · Jul 29, 2012

Just want to say that the 60D also has weather sealing ... and I'm sure that both cameras are excellent (I've got the 60D)!!

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Stig Nygaard · Jul 29, 2012

ESguy said:
The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

I haven't seen the scores or reviews. Are they comparing the two cameras directly? My guess are they are not?

If they give points, probably the scores are relative to the target group and price of the cameras. And price and target group are higher for the 7D, and such it is more difficult to score high points... At least it is my guess without knowing The August Consumer's Report magazine.

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BAK · Jul 29, 2012

For general purpose photography, including video and kids' sports, the 60D is a far better camera, mostly because of the tilty back and simplified autofocus.

For a serious sports photographer, the 7D is probably "better"

Take the money you save on the 60D and spend it on another lens or a flash, and you will be even better off for the same budget as buying a 7D with the accessories.

BAK

Mihut84 · Jul 29, 2012

I see nobody says anything about the AF sensor, which on 7D is much more superior than on 60D. Second, 7D has dual digic 4 cpu. Third magnesium alloy body. These 3 make the 7D superior to 60D. Yes, both of them share the same sensor, and the only thing that 7D doesn't have is the tilt lcd screen. I am an 60D user, but I'd prefer 7D instead.

Rebecca93 · Jul 29, 2012

I also read that issue and was surprised. Here's the ranking of DSLRs by Consumer Reports

Canon EOS 60D
Olympus E-5
Nikon D7000
Canon EOS Rebel T3i
Canon EOS 7D
Sony DSLR-A580L
Canon EOS Rebel T3
Canon EOS Rebel T2i
Nikon D3100
Pentax K-5
Nikon D5100
Pentax K-r
Sony DSLR-A560L
Nikon D5000

They have the cost of the 7D paired with the 18-135mm lens at $1850. By far the most expensive camera in the group (closest was Olympus at $1600)
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Mihut84 · Jul 29, 2012

T3i is not even in the same category with 7D. Soon I'll read that my phone camera is better than 7D because you can use it as a phone too

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Keith Z Leonard · Jul 29, 2012

Seems inaccurate. I was shooting the 60d a bit today, it's a nice camera, but I wouldn't trade my 7D for it. The viewfinder of the 7D is certainly nicer. I like the 60D screen, but I don't like that it is there in place of more buttons, give me more buttons! I don't really care for the 60D ergonomics in comparison to the 7D. I wish the 7D didn't have the vertical banding issue, it's very minor and rarely poses a problem for me, but it'd be nice if it weren't there. I don't think I could go back to a camera sans MFA either.

bonedoc1 · Jul 29, 2012

I never pay attention to Consumer Reports specially in regards to high end photo equipment. They target the average consumer and have no idea what a serious photographer wants. Same with printers.
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TTMartin · Jul 29, 2012

Consumer Reports knows consumer products.

The 7D is a PRO camera, it is NOT a consumer camera. Obviously Consumer Reports doesn't know Professional dSLRs.

The 60D is a better consumer dSLR than the 70D, but, not for the reasons listed.

Because the 7D is a PRO camera it does not have scene modes. It also is very flexible and can be reconfigured in almost an infinite number of ways. Because of this consumers often get the 7D miss configured and don't understand why it is acting like it is acting.

The 7D has a better viewfinder. Both the 7D and 60D can control off camera flashes with their built in flash. The 60D has that tilty swivel LCD, for a consumer dSLR that is probably better.

Honestly, I wish Consumer Reports would have just removed the 7D from consideration.

Jerry-astro · Jul 29, 2012

I'm a big fan of CR and use their ratings all the time. But you have take into consideration who they're targeting and where their real expertise is. They also rate wine. I basically pay no attention to their wine ratings and would turn to much more of an expert in that area if I wanted to purchase a bottle for storage or consumption. Similarly, their knowledge and expertise in pro or even semi-pro (more what a 7D really is) cameras is very limited and I would never rely on them at all in making that sort of a decision. I'd pay a lot closer attention to the people that host this very site, who have infinitely more understanding of what's really important to serious photographers.

Now, if I was in the market for a car or appliance, there's no question who I'd trust there and often use CR to help in making those decisions.

TTMartin said:
Consumer Reports knows consumer products.

The 7D is a PRO camera, it is NOT a consumer camera. Obviously Consumer Reports doesn't know Professional dSLRs.

The 60D is a better consumer dSLR than the 70D, but, not for the reasons listed.

Because the 7D is a PRO camera it does not have scene modes. It also is very flexible and can be reconfigured in almost an infinite number of ways. Because of this consumers often get the 7D miss configured and don't understand why it is acting like it is acting.

The 7D has a better viewfinder. Both the 7D and 60D can control off camera flashes with their built in flash. The 60D has that tilty swivel LCD, for a consumer dSLR that is probably better.

Honestly, I wish Consumer Reports would have just removed the 7D from consideration.

ultimitsu · Jul 30, 2012

Brian D. Schneider said:
ESguy said:

The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

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Nonsense. 7D has better VF, LCD about the same, better flash.

60D has higher res LCD, 1040,000 vs 920,000. also flash is rated 13m compared to 12m on 7D.

so technically they are better.

ultimitsu · Jul 30, 2012

TTMartin said:
Consumer Reports knows consumer products.

The 7D is a PRO camera, it is NOT a consumer camera. Obviously Consumer Reports doesn't know Professional dSLRs.

LOL.

Cenk · Jul 30, 2012

+1... 7D is a highly professional photography tool... One of the better cameras ever produced... Most of the bird & wildlife photographers I know, use this camera as a main tool...

BAK said:
For general purpose photography, including video and kids' sports, the 60D is a far better camera, mostly because of the tilty back and simplified autofocus.

For a serious sports photographer, the 7D is probably "better"

Take the money you save on the 60D and spend it on another lens or a flash, and you will be even better off for the same budget as buying a 7D with the accessories.

BAK

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Scott55 · Jul 30, 2012

Maybe they were factoring in price to some extent. I.e. which is better value for the buck.

Anyway - this 60D owner would say that the 7D is probably better in all regards.

Consumer Reports is a good data point for many things, but probably missed on this one...

Brian D. Schneider · Jul 30, 2012

ultimitsu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:

ESguy said:

The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

Click to expand...

Nonsense. 7D has better VF, LCD about the same, better flash.

Click to expand...

60D has higher res LCD, 1040,000 vs 920,000. also flash is rated 13m compared to 12m on 7D.

so technically they are better.

Not in practice. 7Ds wireless flash is better.
And you would never see the difference in the screen.
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Brian D. Schneider · Jul 30, 2012

ultimitsu said:
TTMartin said:

Consumer Reports knows consumer products.

The 7D is a PRO camera, it is NOT a consumer camera. Obviously Consumer Reports doesn't know Professional dSLRs.

Click to expand...

LOL.

LOL right back atcha! TT is right about CR.
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Robert Krawitz · Jul 30, 2012

ultimitsu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:

ESguy said:

The August Consumer's Report magazine rates the 60D higher than the 7D. They claim it has a better viewfinder, better LCD, and better flash. From watching this forum I have a good idea of the advantages the 7D has, but is there any truth to their evaluation? Or do they not know beans about DSLSs?

Click to expand...

Nonsense. 7D has better VF, LCD about the same, better flash.

Click to expand...

60D has higher res LCD, 1040,000 vs 920,000. also flash is rated 13m compared to 12m on 7D.

so technically they are better.

But 7D users aren't likely to use the flash except either in an emergency or to trigger remotes.

The difference between 13m and 12m is about 1/3 stop, anyway.

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