I have the 60d + 15-85 combo and it is hard to beat for the price at 15-24 f3.5 - f8 ISo 100 with LR 4.1 off camera flash, flippy, eye fi card, new ipad - even though I have ff - this setup is my favoriteI never expected this much response from a simple question, but for me it has been educational. Thanks guys. Since I am into landscape photography, not sports photography, I am now leaning towards the 60D and putting the money saved into a better lens. The 15-85 looks sweet.