Computer Monitor For Photo Editing, Video, and Word Processing ?

Does anyone have any experience positive or negative with either the LG E2370V-BF
or the LG IPS236V-PN ?

PictureThisIfUCan said:

Does anyone have any experience positive or negative with either the LG E2370V-BF
or the LG IPS236V-PN ?

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I have not but am aware of the following:

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2011/test-lg-ips236v.html
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2011/test-lg-e2360v.html

use something like Google Translate page by page

Both use an IPS tft LCD panel.

nutshell - Prad did not think that highly of them as both received a "Satisfactory" rating when Prad rates better monitors as either "Good" or "Very Good". I've never seen them give a monitor a higher rating than "Very Good" and I've never seen them give lower than a "Sufficient" so now you have an idea of where they fit on the scale.

Very Good
Good
Satisfactory
Sufficient

Where are you located? Europe, North America, South America, Asia?

Seen these other review sites?
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/reviews.php
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

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Thank you for the links.

I am in North America and I am trying to find an IPS 1920 x 1080 that will work for Photo, Video, and still have good text for Word Processing. The LG's seemed to have a good all around rep especially for tech support, but I guess I'll have to keep researching. The links you gave will help a lot.

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Dell has just revised the low end of their line of Ultrasharp monitors and at this writing there are not reviews out for all the various models.

U2211 > > U2212HM
U2311 > > U2312HM
new .. > > U2412HM

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HP has just announced a new revision of their ZR monitors, the ZRXX40w series- I'm still reading up on them but it includes a shift from CCFL back lights to W-LED back lights and new sizes such as a 20" 1600x900 8bit model, and a 27" 2560x1440 with an 8bit panel and a 10bit LUT (i.e. can display 16.7 million colors from a palette about 1.04 billion colors).

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/hp-goes-display-crazy-unveils-eight-new-models-four-ips-panels/

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Dell U2212HM
... 21.5" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit(?) non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

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NEC EA232WMi
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... cost is about $300 CAD
.... a bit bright, not enough adjustment range

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Dell U2312HM
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

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ASUS ML239H
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

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ASUS PA238Q
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 8bit e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 10bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... will display 16.7 million colors from a palette of over 1.04 billion colors
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... pre-calibrated with a maximum ΔE (Delta E) of less than 5.
.... DisplayPort, DVI, D-sub and HDMI
.... back light uniformity is a question mark; some reports of pixel issues

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HP ZR24w
.... 24" 1920x1200
.... 8bit IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... CCFL back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... cost on sale in USA below $400 USD
.... notably bright, not enough adjustment range but workable in a bright room
.... being replaced by ZR2440w with W-LED back light

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Dell U2412M
.... 24" 1920x1200
.... 6bit +AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness has an excellent range of adjustment, best of the bunch
.... this monitor is not "too bright"

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You can read up on these at the following review & forum sites:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/reviews.php
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78
... more gamer oriented than for photo editing but good info to be found

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Look for Viewsonic VP 2365. I bought it a week ago and I am very satisfied with it. Here in Serbia costs $250 but in the U.S. is certainly cheaper. LED version also have very good response time (6ms) if you love to play video games.

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http://www.duxx-photography.com

NewsyL said:

Dell U2212HM
... 21.5" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit(?) non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

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Member said:

ASUS PA238Q
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 8bit e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 10bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... will display 16.7 million colors from a palette of over 1.04 billion colors
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... pre-calibrated with a maximum ΔE (Delta E) of less than 5.
.... DisplayPort, DVI, D-sub and HDMI
.... back light uniformity is a question mark; some reports of pixel issues

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I have an interest here due to wanting to get a smaller (21.5" sounds nice) monitor for a secondary workspace. FWIW this will likely be driven by an ultra-portable laptop, probably a Lenovo X220 via it's DisplayPort.

I'm slightly confused by NewsyL stating that both the options above have "standard sRGB gamut". That's because the Asus spec says, "100% sRGB" and the Dell "82% CIE".

First off - would one notice this difference in gamut? Then compared to my primary display which is currently a U2711 which (depending on where you look) is supposed to have 102% CIE.

If anyone has seen these monitors side by side, or separately for that matter I'd love to hear.

Or if there are any other suggestions for a smaller, yet still full HD resolution monitor that works well for photo editing would be appreciated too.

Cheers

Robin Rainton said:

NewsyL said:

Dell U2212HM
... 21.5" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit(?) non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

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Robin Rainton said:

ASUS PA238Q
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 8bit e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 10bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... will display 16.7 million colors from a palette of over 1.04 billion colors
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... pre-calibrated with a maximum ΔE (Delta E) of less than 5.
.... DisplayPort, DVI, D-sub and HDMI
.... back light uniformity is a question mark; some reports of pixel issues

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I have an interest here due to wanting to get a smaller (21.5" sounds nice) monitor for a secondary workspace. FWIW this will likely be driven by an ultra-portable laptop, probably a Lenovo X220 via it's DisplayPort.

I'm slightly confused by NewsyL stating that both the options above have "standard sRGB gamut". That's because the Asus spec says, "100% sRGB" and the Dell "82% CIE".

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Let's see....

Which CIE? 1931? 1964? 1960? Dell is referencing CIE 1976! Is the sRGB gamut as a proportion of the 1976 standard larger than the 1931 standard? I haven't had enough coffee this morning but I think it might be. Is Dell pulling a marketing sneaky? Maybe. Am I clued out as to CIE standards.... quite possibly. I'm just a layman who collects and regurgitates monitor specifications and has just spent 30+ minutes reviewing CIE standards off a couple of dozen web pages. My head hurts.

In the TFT review site below, when they measure sRGB it is in reference to the CIE 1931 standard. See the Color Gamut info on this page....

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/features.htm

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Prad.de uses a newer 3D model to illustrate their space measurements but when they state N% of sRGB they are par to the TFT reports of N% of sRGB and I base that several years of experience comparing their reviews to each others.

I cull my data primarily from these two sites and several others.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html ..... English
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testberichte.html ..... German

The TFT review for the U2212HM is only available via paid PDF atm which I have acquired. It confirms that the measured sRGB is close to 100% of the standard sRGB space. If you want to know how close you'll have to buy a copy. It is closer to full coverage than what you'll read in the next sentence.

Interestingly, Prad measured the PA238Q as having a color space covering only about 94.5% of the standard sRGB space (page 6 of report).

Btw... I recently read a forum post and watched some YouTube videos that claim the IPS display on your x220 was well short of full coverage of the sRGB space, covering only 67.8%. I'm quite suspicious of this claim as I had thought the X220 used a standard W-LED back light, similar to what we're seeing in recent external monitors that are being measured at 97% by several well established review sites and that the claim of 67.8% is based on what seems to me to be one video out of Russia.

Robin Rainton said:

First off - would one notice this difference in gamut? Then compared to my primary display which is currently a U2711 which (depending on where you look) is supposed to have 102% CIE.

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Yes, I think you would as compared to the U2711.

Robin Rainton said:

If anyone has seen these monitors side by side, or separately for that matter I'd love to hear.

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You may want to browse the HardForums Displays forum as there are a couple of individuals there who seem to spent more time dating monitors than young ladies and they make comparisons between the models. Keep in mind there is a definite "gamer" point of view there and not so much interest in using monitors for image editing and viewing.

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

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NewsyL said:

... My head hurts.

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Tell me about it.

The footnotes on Dell's 'Overview' tab (yes - how intuitive) say:

U2212HM: "Color gamut is based on CIE 1976 (82% of NTSC) and CIE 1931 (72%) test standards."

U2711: "Color Gamut (typical) is based on CIE1976 (110%) and CIE1931 (102%)."

I do wish they would just pick a standard and report on that so saps like me can get a feel for it!

Member said:

In the TFT review site below, when they measure sRGB it is in reference to the CIE 1931 standard. See the Color Gamut info on this page....

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/features.htm

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Repeat: "My head hurts, my head hurts, my head hurts"

Member said:

Btw... I recently read a forum post and watched some YouTube videos that claim the IPS display on your x220 was well short of full coverage of the sRGB space...

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I read this too. FWIW I didn't pick up any of this gear yet, but am looking around as have to make a purchase early next year. The x220 is a contender as it's small and has an IPS screen. I looked at numerous laptops yesterday and hate the usual TN colour shifts at various angles. The Dell XPS15z seemed best of a bad lot in the flesh... but I digress...

Member said:

Member said:

First off - would one notice this difference in gamut? Then compared to my primary display which is currently a U2711 which (depending on where you look) is supposed to have 102% CIE.

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Yes, I think you would as compared to the U2711.

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Think I get what you are saying here and in the comments before. Thank you.

Member said:

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

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Yeah, I've been lurking there too

Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

NewsyL said:

Dell has just revised the low end of their line of Ultrasharp monitors and at this writing there are not reviews out for all the various models.

U2211 > > U2212HM
U2311 > > U2312HM
new .. > > U2412HM

.

HP has just announced a new revision of their ZR monitors, the ZRXX40w series- I'm still reading up on them but it includes a shift from CCFL back lights to W-LED back lights and new sizes such as a 20" 1600x900 8bit model, and a 27" 2560x1440 with an 8bit panel and a 10bit LUT (i.e. can display 16.7 million colors from a palette about 1.04 billion colors).

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/hp-goes-display-crazy-unveils-eight-new-models-four-ips-panels/

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Dell U2212HM
... 21.5" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit(?) non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

.

NEC EA232WMi
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... cost is about $300 CAD
.... a bit bright, not enough adjustment range

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Have I miss-read the TFT Central review because that suggest the adjustment range is large and more than enough? I could have miss read though

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_ea232wmi.htm

This review is interesting because they tested 3 of these NEC monitors and found variation in the backlight:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/365833/nec-multisync-ea232wmi

If the link does not open up in one browser try another. For some reason I had to do that.

Member said:

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Dell U2312HM
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

.
ASUS ML239H
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness adjustment unknown

.
ASUS PA238Q
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 8bit e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 10bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... will display 16.7 million colors from a palette of over 1.04 billion colors
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... pre-calibrated with a maximum ΔE (Delta E) of less than 5.
.... DisplayPort, DVI, D-sub and HDMI
.... back light uniformity is a question mark; some reports of pixel issues

.
HP ZR24w
.... 24" 1920x1200
.... 8bit IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... CCFL back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... cost on sale in USA below $400 USD
.... notably bright, not enough adjustment range but workable in a bright room
.... being replaced by ZR2440w with W-LED back light

.
Dell U2412M
.... 24" 1920x1200
.... 6bit +AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... brightness has an excellent range of adjustment, best of the bunch
.... this monitor is not "too bright"

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You can read up on these at the following review & forum sites:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/reviews.php
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78
... more gamer oriented than for photo editing but good info to be found

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Stu 5 said:

NewsyL said:

NEC EA232WMi
.... 23" 1920x1080
.... 6bit + AFRC e-IPS tft LCD panel
.... 8bit non-writable LUT (internal processing)
.... W-LED back light
.... standard sRGB gamut
.... cost is about $300 CAD
.... a bit bright, not enough adjustment range

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Have I miss-read the TFT Central review because that suggest the adjustment range is large and more than enough? I could have miss read though

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_ea232wmi.htm

This review is interesting because they tested 3 of these NEC monitors and found variation in the backlight:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/365833/nec-multisync-ea232wmi

If the link does not open up in one browser try another. For some reason I had to do that.

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No, you read it right! I read it wrong. Confused it's contrast stability report with another monitor.

The NEC EA232WMi has an excellent range of brightness control.

Thanks for catching that!

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