just wondering if you know what paper would be the most 'silvery' for B&W images?
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which paper is the most silvery?
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irvweiner
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Start with Red River Metallic
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Steve House
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"Silvery" is in having a metallic look or as in most resembling a classic silver-gelatine wet chemistry BW print?
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I print all my B+W on Canson art Watercolour papers - Montval and Basic and some on Geler too. I use inkjetfly pigment inks.
They compare favourably with my conventional darkroom Silver Gelatin prints and can hang alongside them.
Once framed under glass, they are indistinguishable.
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They compare favourably with my conventional darkroom Silver Gelatin prints and can hang alongside them.
Once framed under glass, they are indistinguishable.
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I have access to Canson Hah... and Epson samples so I will check them out. thanks.
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I have never seen Basic or Geler sold in a photo-coated form here in the US, unless they are sold under a different name.
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The Canson Montval (370gsm) and Basik (370gsm) and Geler (190gsm) are all art papers. They are not coated for photo work but with pigment inks (inkjetfly, anyway) and dyes give excellent results, especially when using the latest Matte Black (IJF) in the manner I have detailed many times in this forum (link, again, below).
As I have also indicated, using pigment inks on the plastic photo-type papers is not the best combination - dye inks are better as they can go into the coating.
Here's the link to details on using the Black-only for high quality B+W
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=33148491&q=zone8+1400+b+w+plain&qf=m
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As I have also indicated, using pigment inks on the plastic photo-type papers is not the best combination - dye inks are better as they can go into the coating.
Here's the link to details on using the Black-only for high quality B+W
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=33148491&q=zone8+1400+b+w+plain&qf=m
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Steve House
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Have a new Epson 3880 and just yesterday I ran a series of B&W prints of the same image on several glossy and semi-gloss papers using the stock Advanced B&W driver and Epson OEM inks. I'm particularly impressed with the similarity of Epson Exhibition Fiber, Harman Gloss FB AI Baryta, Canson Platine, and Canson Baryta Photographique papers to a conventional gelatine-silver glossy surface paper air-dried on blotters or screens. The warmer base of the Canson Platine gives its prints a look like Kodak Polycontrast while the brighteners in the Canson Baryta give it a more neutral image tone. Also tried Espon Ultra Premium Photo Paper - Luster and Premium Glossy Photo Paper and I would rate then good but still not quite there. The Premium Glossy still has a plasticy look and with both of them the image appears to be under the surface rather than 'in' an emulsion surface, if you know what I mean. Now if I could just find something that would give me the look of Agfa Brovira that has received a light touch of selenium or gold toning ... sigh!
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The Baryta type papers you mentioned are BY FAR closer matches to classic silver gelatin than the cotton art paper mentioned previously. Same for the plasticky, coated papers really meant for dye printing.
While the art papers have a wonderful look to to them that is unique, I fail to see the simularity to classic silver gelatin. I've also found the black in them to lack sufficient density range when mixed with pigment based printers.
However, the Baryta papers are darn near dead ringers for classic silver gelatin, especially Kodak's old fiber papers, with too many good ones too list.
Yeah, I miss Brovira and Portiga.
While the art papers have a wonderful look to to them that is unique, I fail to see the simularity to classic silver gelatin. I've also found the black in them to lack sufficient density range when mixed with pigment based printers.
However, the Baryta papers are darn near dead ringers for classic silver gelatin, especially Kodak's old fiber papers, with too many good ones too list.
Yeah, I miss Brovira and Portiga.
The closest to air dried baryta paper I had was Museo Silver Rag. Hahnemuhle Baryta papers are also close, but the surface texture is different.
If you are considering getting some sample packs, Atlex has a good selection.
I find Crane/Museo Silver Rag and Epson Exhibition to be similar. Hahnemühle Baryta is good, but Harman Gloss Baryta (formally Harman Gloss FB Al, before it was distributed by Hahnemühle) has a better surface.
Brian A
I got an answer to my own question. I saw a sample in the photo store of Inkpress Metallic and Metallic Glossy. Looks like it has a layer of shiny sparkly effect on the surface. Will try it.
They don't have a ICC profile for R2880. So should I use the profile for 3880 or 2400?
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They don't have a ICC profile for R2880. So should I use the profile for 3880 or 2400?
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HoaiPhai
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Just use the Epson driver profile for premium luster photo paper and you should do fine. Use the Gloss Optimizer if your your printer is so equipped.
Just wondering, is that "sparkly" (iridescent) look what you wanted or did you want your print to look as though it was printed on a sheet of metal?
Just wondering, is that "sparkly" (iridescent) look what you wanted or did you want your print to look as though it was printed on a sheet of metal?
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