Those 'the solution' pics

Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

No, I don't think so. Whatever it is I think it will have interchangable lens, and with a name like E330 I think it will be a recognisable member of the line.

Butsas I said if Olympus are coming up with a smart new lowish priced SLR with some kind of smart USP, like live preview, that's great. Howver, what they need is a flagship model, and that's what I want to see.

FWIW, Big GA or not, my (very limited) amount of money is on something E300/E500 ish with a swing out LCD that will show some form of preview being announced on the 26th.

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Garry Schaefer · Jan 15, 2006

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Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

Hmm. A thought...

If the mirror and shutter have gone, and the whole lot replaced by an EVF, then it would be possible to make a lens that extends deep in the body.

The result WOULD be a VERY compact camera with the standard lens, that would take normal Zuiko digitrals as well.

Hmm.

I might quite fancy that...

Just speculating idly of course - I still reckon on an EVF E300.

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Jono Slack · Jan 15, 2006

LOL
Just a little wiser!

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Jono Slack · Jan 15, 2006

The mount to sensor distance is part of the 4/3 standard
So doesn't that mean you'd have to have a big lump sticking out the back!

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Tony Bukada · Jan 15, 2006

I said that in a different thread. But, it would be able to accept teh regular DZ's without an adapter, (IS adapter??,) since the flange to sensor distance is part of the existing DZ lens design.

Louis_Dobson said:
Hmm. A thought...

If the mirror and shutter have gone, and the whole lot replaced by
an EVF, then it would be possible to make a lens that extends deep
in the body.

The result WOULD be a VERY compact camera with the standard lens,
that would take normal Zuiko digitrals as well.

Hmm.

I might quite fancy that...

Just speculating idly of course - I still reckon on an EVF E300.

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Jono Slack · Jan 15, 2006

Tony Bukada said:
Erik37 said:

Tony Bukada said:

I think's it's going to be an all in one, like the Sony.

Click to expand...

Why make such an expensive camera without a mount?
Sure, it's simpler, a little cheaper, smaller, lighter, less dust
finding the sensor, but still a mistake. Now people have no
chance of getting a better (faster etc.) body for the nice
lens and they have no way of putting on a tele lens or a fast
prime.

Click to expand...

But they won't need to. The whole thing won't be all that expensive
to begin with. It'll be like buying a lens, with a sensor attached.

I think that Olympus needs some market differentiation, they need
to excell at something. Can't take Canon and Nikon head-on. So why
not go back to their roots? A reall small, high quality image maker.

Think of where all the market growth will be coming from in the
next five years. Do you reall think the Best Buy salesman will be
succesfull at explaining and selling the idea of telecentric
lenses? But, if, after holding a Rebel, the soccer mom pics up a
really small, weather proof, fast focusing camera, one that
includes a zoom range that most buyer's would consider at all, (i.e
200 or 300mm (135) max,) and it's affordable, which one will she
buy?

Hmm, an ixus?

;-)

these cameras already exist - in spades - why make another one?

kind regards

Tony Bukada said:
Tony Bukada said:

Seems it's selling though, but it could have sold more.

And I don't think Olympus will make that same mistake. It will
be a camera for 4/3 lenses, interchangeable. It's what all the leaks
are hinting.

Just my two öre
Erik from Sweden, F Z 5 owner

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Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

I must have missed that class...

So, given a 4/3rds sensor, and given a hole where the mirror etc used to be, you can't have a camera that can take a custom lens that sits close to the sensor (by extending in) as well as accepting conevntional 4/3rds lenses?

That surprises me, but if you say it is so I will happily take your word for it, optics are not my strong point...
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Tony Bukada · Jan 15, 2006

Jono Slack said:
Tony Bukada said:

Erik37 said:

Tony Bukada said:

I think's it's going to be an all in one, like the Sony.

Click to expand...

Why make such an expensive camera without a mount?
Sure, it's simpler, a little cheaper, smaller, lighter, less dust
finding the sensor, but still a mistake. Now people have no
chance of getting a better (faster etc.) body for the nice
lens and they have no way of putting on a tele lens or a fast
prime.

Click to expand...

But they won't need to. The whole thing won't be all that expensive
to begin with. It'll be like buying a lens, with a sensor attached.

I think that Olympus needs some market differentiation, they need
to excell at something. Can't take Canon and Nikon head-on. So why
not go back to their roots? A reall small, high quality image maker.

Think of where all the market growth will be coming from in the
next five years. Do you reall think the Best Buy salesman will be
succesfull at explaining and selling the idea of telecentric
lenses? But, if, after holding a Rebel, the soccer mom pics up a
really small, weather proof, fast focusing camera, one that
includes a zoom range that most buyer's would consider at all, (i.e
200 or 300mm (135) max,) and it's affordable, which one will she
buy?

Click to expand...

Hmm, an ixus?

;-)

these cameras already exist - in spades - why make another one?

Which ones have IS, have a large sensor, can be dropped from three feet, and are completely soak-proof?

Which ones, would you, Jono, consider taking with you on vacation, or in very very demanding conditions, like on that mountain expedition, and still get image quality to rival a D200?

Tony Bukada · Jan 15, 2006

Louis_Dobson said:
I must have missed that class...

So, given a 4/3rds sensor, and given a hole where the mirror etc
used to be, you can't have a camera that can take a custom lens
that sits close to the sensor (by extending in) as well as
accepting conevntional 4/3rds lenses?

Yes, you could if you had an adapter for the other lenses.

Louis_Dobson said:
That surprises me, but if you say it is so I will happily take your
word for it, optics are not my strong point...
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Jono Slack · Jan 15, 2006

Louis_Dobson said:
I must have missed that class...

So, given a 4/3rds sensor, and given a hole where the mirror etc
used to be, you can't have a camera that can take a custom lens
that sits close to the sensor (by extending in) as well as
accepting conevntional 4/3rds lenses?

I guess you could certainly do that - but the 'custom lens' wouldn't be a 4/3 lens anymore, and if you wanted to accept conventional lenses - then you'd still have to have the same depth in the camera, even if you took out the mirror . . . . . if you understand what I mean!

Louis_Dobson said:
That surprises me, but if you say it is so I will happily take your
word for it, optics are not my strong point...

Nor mine! (but as nothing is, I have to do my best!)

kind regards
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http://www.slack.co.uk

Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

Ah, clearly I hadn't made myself clear. What I'm suggesting (and I've no reason to think it is what they are doing) is making a camera that accepts 4/3rds lens, but ships with a "kit" lens that does not match the 4/3rds standard and extends into the camera body, the whole camera / kit lens pairing being very compact indeed, but also capable of being used as a conventional 4/3rds camera (in so far as an EVF interchangeable lens camera could be called conventional). Given a reasonable quality lens that goes down to 14mm or less, I'd want one.
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Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

I don't understand why you woulkd need an adaptor. If you did, that's a dead idea.
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Brent Lossing · Jan 15, 2006

You know the view inside in the privacy of your own home?

I think it fits that niche market you were talking about..

Michael Meissner · Jan 15, 2006

Louis_Dobson said:
Ah, clearly I hadn't made myself clear. What I'm suggesting (and
I've no reason to think it is what they are doing) is making a
camera that accepts 4/3rds lens, but ships with a "kit" lens that
does not match the 4/3rds standard and extends into the camera
body, the whole camera / kit lens pairing being very compact
indeed, but also capable of being used as a conventional 4/3rds
camera (in so far as an EVF interchangeable lens camera could be
called conventional). Given a reasonable quality lens that goes
down to 14mm or less, I'd want one.

The Canon 300d (and later 350d and 20d) did this by having a new lens mount (EF-S) for the digital only lenses wide angle lenses, but the cameras would still be able to use the standard Canon lenses (EF).

Louis_Dobson · Jan 15, 2006

Yes, more or less, but of course the lens I have in mind would go back rather further.
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exp1orer · Jan 15, 2006

...would care about larger sensor, soak-proof and IS?

Tony Bukada said:
Tony Bukada said:

Tony Bukada said:

really small, weather proof, fast focusing camera, one that
includes a zoom range that most buyer's would consider at all, (i.e
200 or 300mm (135) max,) and it's affordable, which one will she
buy?

Click to expand...

Hmm, an ixus?

;-)

these cameras already exist - in spades - why make another one?

Click to expand...

Which ones have IS, have a large sensor, can be dropped from three
feet, and are completely soak-proof?

Which ones, would you, Jono, consider taking with you on vacation,
or in very very demanding conditions, like on that mountain
expedition, and still get image quality to rival a D200?

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my gallery: http://www.pbase.com/explorer

Big Ga · Jan 15, 2006

Brent Lossing said:
You know the view inside in the privacy of your own home?

I think it fits that niche market you were talking about..

Brent, you crack me up.

As opposed to up my ......

Michael Meissner · Jan 15, 2006

Big Ga said:
You know, two of those three 'solution' pics at least are very
clever as they point to something obvious we can guess at, however
they hold a more subtle hint at very targeted features.
But I just can't work out if all three images do this. If the third
has this double meaning it currently eludes me. Or maybe the double
meaning on the first two are just coincidences.

I don't recall the third picture all that well, but it occurs to me, one 'solution' to the pictures would a little radio controlled helicopter that you mount your E-1, E-300, or E-500 in, and there is a little camera that looks in the viewfinder and transmits the images back to the base station, and the computer hooks up to the camera via the USB port. You would then use the radio control to position the helicopter where you want, and use the camera looking at the viewfinder to do the framing. You wouldn't be bending over or walking off of the pier because you would be sitting down with your laptop screen, and your radio controlled helicopter would be getting into position.

Now granted, this is more of a Rube Goldberg type solution, but it does 'solve' the first two pictures.

Erik37 · Jan 15, 2006

Tony Bukada said:
Erik37 said:

Tony Bukada said:

I think's it's going to be an all in one, like the Sony.

Click to expand...

Why make such an expensive camera without a mount?
Sure, it's simpler, a little cheaper, smaller, lighter, less dust
finding the sensor, but still a mistake. Now people have no
chance of getting a better (faster etc.) body for the nice
lens and they have no way of putting on a tele lens or a fast
prime.

Click to expand...

But they won't need to. The whole thing won't be all that expensive
to begin with.

The R1's too expensive for a bridge cam, in my taste anyway. If it were
a body with kit lens, I would feel differently.

Tony Bukada said:
It'll be like buying a lens, with a sensor attached.

No, IMHO, it won't be. If you buy a lens you can reuse it when the
camera gets outdated. And e.g. carrying a body and three lenses
weighs less than three dedicated cameras (of same sensor size).

Tony Bukada said:
I think that Olympus needs some market differentiation, they need
to excell at something.

That's why they shouldn't just copy Sony's idea, but instead make the
worlds first "DSLR" with EVF and tilt LCD! Since they have the dust
filter, they should use this advantage to the fullest and let it accept
interchangeable lenses. And, I believe, this is what they (and Panny)
are about to do.

Just my two öre
Erik from Sweden, F Z 5 owner

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