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A-85 is finally here...but is it accurate?
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Rob Bernhard
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Are all your post this worthless?
Duppypog
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Duppypog
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Obviously you've never used one. The swivel provides so much more creativity and functionality. Once you have, you would never want to go back.
You right. Absolutely downgrade. smaller sensor and No flip-out screen, that sucks.
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Dave-57
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The differences:
Type :
1/1.8" CCD (A80)
1/2.7” CCD (A85)
Effective Pixels :
Approx. 4.0M (A80)
Approx. 4.0M (A85)
Type :
1/1.8" CCD (A80)
1/2.7” CCD (A85)
Focal Length :
7.8 – 23.4 mm (35mm film equivalent: 38 – 114mm) (A80)
5.4 – 16.2 mm (35mm film equivalent: 35 – 105mm) (A85=better)
Maximum f/number :
f/2.8 – f/4.9 (A80)
f/2.8 – f/4.8 (A85=better)
Construction :
6 elements in 5 groups (2 aspherical elements) (A80)
9 elements in 7 groups (1 aspherical element) (A85=better)
Monitor :
Vari-angle 1.5" TFT (A80)
1.8” P-Si TFT, approx. 118,000 pixels (A85=maybe not better)
Built-in Flash Range :
45cm-4.4m (W) / 2.5m (T) (at ISO AUTO equivalent) (A80)
46cm-4.2m (W) 46cm - 2.5m (T) 26 - 46cm (Macro) (at ISO AUTO equivalent) (A85=worst)
Movies :
(M)320 x 240, (S)160 x 120 (A80)
(L)640 x 480, 10fps (M)320 x 240, (S)160 x 120, 15fps (A85=better)
PictBridge :
Supported (A80? is that a yes or no!)
Yes (A85)
Lenses :
1.75x Tele-converter TC-DC52A,0.7x Wide Converter WC-DC52,Close-up Lens 250D (52mm),Conversion Lens Adapter LA-DC52D (A80)
Tele-converter 2.4x TC-DC52,Wide Converter 0.7x WC-DC52,Close-up Lens 250D (52mm),Conversion Lens Adapter LA-DC52C (A85=better?)
Dimensions :
103.1 x 64.6 x 34.7 mm (A80)
101.0 x 64.0 x 31.5mm (excluding protrusions) (A85=better!)
Weight (body only) :
Approx. 250g (A80)
Approx. 200g (A85)
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Type :
1/1.8" CCD (A80)
1/2.7” CCD (A85)
Effective Pixels :
Approx. 4.0M (A80)
Approx. 4.0M (A85)
Type :
1/1.8" CCD (A80)
1/2.7” CCD (A85)
Focal Length :
7.8 – 23.4 mm (35mm film equivalent: 38 – 114mm) (A80)
5.4 – 16.2 mm (35mm film equivalent: 35 – 105mm) (A85=better)
Maximum f/number :
f/2.8 – f/4.9 (A80)
f/2.8 – f/4.8 (A85=better)
Construction :
6 elements in 5 groups (2 aspherical elements) (A80)
9 elements in 7 groups (1 aspherical element) (A85=better)
Monitor :
Vari-angle 1.5" TFT (A80)
1.8” P-Si TFT, approx. 118,000 pixels (A85=maybe not better)
Built-in Flash Range :
45cm-4.4m (W) / 2.5m (T) (at ISO AUTO equivalent) (A80)
46cm-4.2m (W) 46cm - 2.5m (T) 26 - 46cm (Macro) (at ISO AUTO equivalent) (A85=worst)
Movies :
(M)320 x 240, (S)160 x 120 (A80)
(L)640 x 480, 10fps (M)320 x 240, (S)160 x 120, 15fps (A85=better)
PictBridge :
Supported (A80? is that a yes or no!)
Yes (A85)
Lenses :
1.75x Tele-converter TC-DC52A,0.7x Wide Converter WC-DC52,Close-up Lens 250D (52mm),Conversion Lens Adapter LA-DC52D (A80)
Tele-converter 2.4x TC-DC52,Wide Converter 0.7x WC-DC52,Close-up Lens 250D (52mm),Conversion Lens Adapter LA-DC52C (A85=better?)
Dimensions :
103.1 x 64.6 x 34.7 mm (A80)
101.0 x 64.0 x 31.5mm (excluding protrusions) (A85=better!)
Weight (body only) :
Approx. 250g (A80)
Approx. 200g (A85)
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xder345
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Ah yes, the A80 is still the vintage A series (for a little while anyways). I was just as Best Butt yesterday and I held both the S1 and the A75. The A75 has a very toy-like feel to it, compared to the heft and solidity of the A80. Seems like more plastic in the lower cams. If the A85 is the successor to the A70/75, then I'll keep my A80 and be very happy with it. And no swivel screen! What are they thinking? That's one of the most appealing features of the G5 and A80.
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jhsia
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Historically, Canon releases a few A series cameras at a time. The model numbers make sense only when compared to others in the same generation. When comparing between generations, then the higher number doesn't mean a "better" model.
1. Feb 2001 announcement
A10: 1.2 megapixels
A20: 2.1 MP
2. Feb 2002
A30: 1.2 MP
A40: 2.0 MP
3. Feb 2003
A60: 2.0 MP
A70: 3.2 MP
4. Aug 2003
A80: 4.0 MP, tilt/swivel LCD
5. Feb 2004
A75: 3.2 MP
6. July 2004
A85: 4.0 MP
Given that Canon is pitching the A85 as a replacement for the A70, you could make the case that the "next generation" will consist of:
ps... To be accurate, the A50 (announced in March 1999) preceeded all of these cameras.
1. Feb 2001 announcement
A10: 1.2 megapixels
A20: 2.1 MP
2. Feb 2002
A30: 1.2 MP
A40: 2.0 MP
3. Feb 2003
A60: 2.0 MP
A70: 3.2 MP
4. Aug 2003
A80: 4.0 MP, tilt/swivel LCD
5. Feb 2004
A75: 3.2 MP
6. July 2004
A85: 4.0 MP
Given that Canon is pitching the A85 as a replacement for the A70, you could make the case that the "next generation" will consist of:
- A75: 3.2 MP
- A85: 4.0 MP
- Replacement for A80 (using a model number like A90 or A95...sometime in the next month or two)
ps... To be accurate, the A50 (announced in March 1999) preceeded all of these cameras.
vpc
Active member
When Canon announced a few months ago that they were going to introduce 20 digital cameras into the market for 2004, I thought it was a litle ambitious and crazy. But seeing how they're going about this to acheive the market share they desire, it all makes sense now.
Creativity is normally in your mind, not in your camera! Tell me about one single image you can't take without a swivel monitor?!
Functionality, maybe, sometimes.
Functionality, maybe, sometimes.
Rod Mürrer
Member
Incredible, the way I see it is that all the camera manufacturers are starting to play the game of releasing new models with various combinations of features that they can actually put all of them in one camera. OK, you like smaller size, beter LCD, VGA? buy the A85. You want to stick to larger sensor, swivelling LCD, faster continuous shooting of A80 and have something more, wait for the next model(not necessarily an exact upgrade of A80). The model number does not go with the hiarchy of the camera anymore. BTW, does the A85 have the custom mode as A80?
Rod Mürrer
Member
Rovis, I agree with you that creativity is in our minds...but sometimes our mind can be so creative that our equipment can not take the picture we are thinking of...
I bought a A80 ten days ago...and I could give you SOME images that you couldn't take without the swivel LCD...
cheers
Rod
I bought a A80 ten days ago...and I could give you SOME images that you couldn't take without the swivel LCD...
cheers
Rod
Hmmm......I don't see how more lens elements make a better camera. If you could make a lens with just ONE element....it would be best. Correct me if wrong 
Regards
Regards
I rather have the A85 have more than 105mm so A85 isn't better in my book for focal length
sue anne
Duppypog
Forum Enthusiast
Two examples:
1:
The swivel LCD is great for taking candid shots. People are so used to seeing digicam users reviewing the images on their camera that if you are holding the camera at waist level with your thumb on the shutter, they do not suspect you are snapping a picture.
2:
If I want to take any picture from ground to waist level, I don't have to do any body contortions to see exactly what I'm getting in the picture.
Let me know if you need more examples.
Lynnette
1:
The swivel LCD is great for taking candid shots. People are so used to seeing digicam users reviewing the images on their camera that if you are holding the camera at waist level with your thumb on the shutter, they do not suspect you are snapping a picture.
2:
If I want to take any picture from ground to waist level, I don't have to do any body contortions to see exactly what I'm getting in the picture.
Let me know if you need more examples.
Lynnette
WINGnutsDAD
Senior Member
I'll take the larger, smaller footprint of the new A85 any day over the A80.
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wlachan
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I think the multi-angle LCD of A80 is useful as well, but that doesn't mean it is a law. Some people like it, some don't. What is so "rediculous" is that it should be "ridiculous". It isn't a typo because there are 6 keys between 'e' & 'i' on the keyboard.
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Kevin Macza
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Canon is an expert in marketingspeak(TM). I'm not sure to take their promo literature too seriously.
Seems to me that the A75 is the proper replacement for the A70. It is almost exactly the same camera, except with a 1.8" LCD and a few extra scene modes. The A85 appears to be simply a 4MP A75 using the same small 1/2.7" CCD, lacking the important features that the A80 has (1/1.8" CCD, vari-angle LCD, C1&C2).
Definitely not an upgrade from the A80!
After feeling the A75 in my hands, it appears to me that Canon is making each new generation of camera cheaper and cheaper, and I suspect the the A85 will feel cheap as well. The A80 feels more substantial, with more metal in the body.
Ahhhh, progress.....
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Seems to me that the A75 is the proper replacement for the A70. It is almost exactly the same camera, except with a 1.8" LCD and a few extra scene modes. The A85 appears to be simply a 4MP A75 using the same small 1/2.7" CCD, lacking the important features that the A80 has (1/1.8" CCD, vari-angle LCD, C1&C2).
Definitely not an upgrade from the A80!
After feeling the A75 in my hands, it appears to me that Canon is making each new generation of camera cheaper and cheaper, and I suspect the the A85 will feel cheap as well. The A80 feels more substantial, with more metal in the body.
Ahhhh, progress.....
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Travis Feisthamel
Senior Member
Canon isn't the only one playing that game, it actually started a few years ago when Olympus had the D-490 zoom and then went to the D-510 or whatever it was. Big difference in feel until almost all of Olympus's small P&S were more generic feeling. Not counting the C series and up. Now Nikon is also doing to same thing with the Coolpix 4100 and 4200, both are similar style and are 4 megapixel, just a few features and $100 between them.
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