badoptics

New member
Messages
2
Reaction score
3
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Yeah, there is a big difference in the full frame vs crop. People all over the internet claim it's a myth and that it's not that big, but it is. It does ruin you though because when you try to shoot with a crop again after a few years you forget how big of a difference the ISO and colors/contrast look.

Shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time. I'm thinking about staying a generation behind to save money myself. The 5D Mark IV may end up with better dynamic range, but I bracket my landscapes and don't need more for portraits. I'm not doing video so I don't care about the 4k or not. 28 megapixels more than likely, 6 more megapixels isn't gonna make much difference. More cross type points, probably 61, 41 is more than enough. -3 EV AF sensors, really nice but I'm not usually in a situation where that's going to matter.

There are people still creating amazing images on the 5D and 5D ii. But the pull to upgrade is those poor focusing systems. Once you have 41 auto focus points, it's hard to imagine that they can anything that would feel essential to upgrade for. Except for those that feel they absolutely need more dynamic range, FPS, more video options, etc.

You'll probably like the 24-70 2.8 ii on the full frame too. It's extremely sharp and very light weight.
 
Man I'm gassing for a 5DIII.

Mainly for the improved low light and focusing.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Slight pedantic point - there is no such thing as a 5DS MIIII (at least, not yet). It would be a 5D III, or a 5DS. So which was the one you bought? Both are fine cameras.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Yeah, there is a big difference in the full frame vs crop. People all over the internet claim it's a myth and that it's not that big, but it is. It does ruin you though because when you try to shoot with a crop again after a few years you forget how big of a difference the ISO and colors/contrast look.

Shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time. I'm thinking about staying a generation behind to save money myself. The 5D Mark IV may end up with better dynamic range, but I bracket my landscapes and don't need more for portraits. I'm not doing video so I don't care about the 4k or not. 28 megapixels more than likely, 6 more megapixels isn't gonna make much difference. More cross type points, probably 61, 41 is more than enough. -3 EV AF sensors, really nice but I'm not usually in a situation where that's going to matter.

There are people still creating amazing images on the 5D and 5D ii. But the pull to upgrade is those poor focusing systems. Once you have 41 auto focus points, it's hard to imagine that they can anything that would feel essential to upgrade for. Except for those that feel they absolutely need more dynamic range, FPS, more video options, etc.

You'll probably like the 24-70 2.8 ii on the full frame too. It's extremely sharp and very light weight.
While I also prefer full frame, I think you're overstating things quite a bit. The only real advantages of FF are lower noise, the ability to isolate your subject at wider apertures, and the potential for higher MP sensors. There is no colour depth advantage (that can be measured, and when it is, we find that there is no difference). Lower noise is achieved with larger photosites on the sensor, and FF currently has about a 1 stop advantage over APS-C.

DOF, well, that's a bit of a double edged sword. Do you want shallow DOF, or deep? There's no right answer, because it depends what result you're looking for. Having to stop down further to get deep DOF (and improve the corner performance of many lenses) isn't an advantage for FF.

Lastly, you have the "pixels on target" effect of different sensor sizes. If you're focal length limited at the long end, APS-C simply has an advantage. I did think for a while that a 5Ds would obviate the need for a 7DII (frame rate aside), because the pixel pitch is the same, but actually, the 7DII performs better (in terms of noise) than the 5Ds on a per-pixel basis. The same goes for the Nikon D810 vs it's APS-C pixel pitch partner, the D7000. Cropping down to APS-C or beyond is completely pointless with a FF camera, so you better have lenses that allow for ideal framing of your subject. Depending on what you shoot, that could be costly!

So yes, sometimes FF has the advantage. Sometimes not. Personally, I wouldn't want to be without either.
 
I'm sure he was just so excited on overwhelmed with his new toy :-)
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Yeah, there is a big difference in the full frame vs crop. People all over the internet claim it's a myth and that it's not that big, but it is. It does ruin you though because when you try to shoot with a crop again after a few years you forget how big of a difference the ISO and colors/contrast look.

Shouldn't need to upgrade for a long time. I'm thinking about staying a generation behind to save money myself. The 5D Mark IV may end up with better dynamic range, but I bracket my landscapes and don't need more for portraits. I'm not doing video so I don't care about the 4k or not. 28 megapixels more than likely, 6 more megapixels isn't gonna make much difference. More cross type points, probably 61, 41 is more than enough. -3 EV AF sensors, really nice but I'm not usually in a situation where that's going to matter.

There are people still creating amazing images on the 5D and 5D ii. But the pull to upgrade is those poor focusing systems. Once you have 41 auto focus points, it's hard to imagine that they can anything that would feel essential to upgrade for. Except for those that feel they absolutely need more dynamic range, FPS, more video options, etc.

You'll probably like the 24-70 2.8 ii on the full frame too. It's extremely sharp and very light weight.
While I also prefer full frame, I think you're overstating things quite a bit. The only real advantages of FF are lower noise, the ability to isolate your subject at wider apertures, and the potential for higher MP sensors. There is no colour depth advantage (that can be measured, and when it is, we find that there is no difference). Lower noise is achieved with larger photosites on the sensor, and FF currently has about a 1 stop advantage over APS-C.

DOF, well, that's a bit of a double edged sword. Do you want shallow DOF, or deep? There's no right answer, because it depends what result you're looking for. Having to stop down further to get deep DOF (and improve the corner performance of many lenses) isn't an advantage for FF.

Lastly, you have the "pixels on target" effect of different sensor sizes. If you're focal length limited at the long end, APS-C simply has an advantage. I did think for a while that a 5Ds would obviate the need for a 7DII (frame rate aside), because the pixel pitch is the same, but actually, the 7DII performs better (in terms of noise) than the 5Ds on a per-pixel basis. The same goes for the Nikon D810 vs it's APS-C pixel pitch partner, the D7000. Cropping down to APS-C or beyond is completely pointless with a FF camera, so you better have lenses that allow for ideal framing of your subject. Depending on what you shoot, that could be costly!

So yes, sometimes FF has the advantage. Sometimes not. Personally, I wouldn't want to be without either.
i thank you for your logical and practical answer, Bob! for good photos, those minute differences between crop and FF cameras are negligible in my experience!!!! i have proved it to myself that camera format itself is no big deal or deal breaker! yes, what makes a huge difference is the LENS quality, available and quality of light, framing (composing), use of GND and CPL to remedy the harsh lighting, and finally, the camera, IMHO! but everyone's mileage may differ! what is sad is comments like " BlueCosmo5050" may scare someone that can only afford an aps-c camera and after reading these useless comments, he/she may cancel purchasing an aps-c camera all together! i have a 1Dx, a 1Dmk4 and have used and still have a 40D, which i have used very extensively in the past! all 3 formats produce outstanding photos if certain perimeters are met, the ones i have noted already!!!! so, i hope some people stop talking about importance of camera formats and lets talk about LENSES quality, techniques, and composition :-) good day.
 
Last edited:
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Full frame is a simple term to distinguish a digital sensor which covers the full 35mm frame, as opposed to the APS-C category which doesn't. There is no ambiguity in this term - stop whining about it!

There are digital medium format cameras (most of the them with less than complete coverage of the medium format frame - akin to APS-C).

There's no real digital large format cameras - scanning backs don't really count.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Full frame is a simple term to distinguish a digital sensor which covers the full 35mm frame, as opposed to the APS-C category which doesn't. There is no ambiguity in this term - stop whining about it!

There are digital medium format cameras (most of the them with less than complete coverage of the medium format frame - akin to APS-C).

There's no real digital large format cameras - scanning backs don't really count.
Who said anything and "digital " cameras larger than small format ? I didn't. Whether there is a digital version of medium and large format doesn't change the formats of photography. 35mm is not "large" format. That's laughable!
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you there. The term "format" refers to the capture format that the image circle was designed to fill. The term "frame" refers to the capture coverage of the format for a given system. "Full frame" implies that the sensor covers the full area of the imaging circle, irrespective of the imaging circle size. "Small frame" (or perhaps "sub frame") is what you might call APS-C (but only when used in a 35mm system, so not for CSCS like the Fujis - they're full frame), or things like the Pentax 645z, where the sensor is considerably smaller than the imaging circle of the 645 format.

Nikon sorta did the right thing by calling the formats CX, DX, and FX, because it obviates the need to use any terms other than "CX", "DX", and "FX".
 
Last edited:
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Full frame is a simple term to distinguish a digital sensor which covers the full 35mm frame, as opposed to the APS-C category which doesn't. There is no ambiguity in this term - stop whining about it!

There are digital medium format cameras (most of the them with less than complete coverage of the medium format frame - akin to APS-C).

There's no real digital large format cameras - scanning backs don't really count.
Who said anything and "digital " cameras larger than small format ? I didn't. Whether there is a digital version of medium and large format doesn't change the formats of photography. 35mm is not "large" format. That's laughable!
Who said 35mm was large format? We said "full frame", as in filling the 35mm image frame. Fact is, full frame is the universally accepted term (well, in our universe :) ).

You are the one who is jumping up and down about large format, when no one else said "large".
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.

You are the one who is jumping up and down about large format, when no one else said "large".
Haha , you are so wrong! :D
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration but that proves to be a small investment with large returns. Primarily using for family activities and my son's last year in high school band as they go to the nationals. Hope to travel once the kids are both in college and use for architecture overseas. Can't wait to get proficient on this new product although it appears Canon has smiled kindly upon those of us who don't upgrade very often.

i'm granting this product 5 stars because I've never been let down going with Canon DLSRs.
Slight pedantic point - there is no such thing as a 5DS MIIII (at least, not yet). It would be a 5D III, or a 5DS. So which was the one you bought? Both are fine cameras.
In his defense, Canon isn't helping things with a confusing naming scheme. So testing out new names for Canon's cameras isn't a bad idea.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you there. The term "format" refers to the capture format that the image circle was designed to fill. The term "frame" refers to the capture coverage of the format for a given system. "Full frame" implies that the sensor covers the full area of the imaging circle, irrespective of the imaging circle size. "Small frame" (or perhaps "sub frame") is what you might call APS-C (but only when used in a 35mm system, so not for CSCS like the Fujis - they're full frame), or things like the Pentax 645z, where the sensor is considerably smaller than the imaging circle of the 645 format.

Nikon sorta did the right thing by calling the formats CX, DX, and FX, because it obviates the need to use any terms other than "CX", "DX", and "FX".
Please look up small, medium , and large format photography. 35mm is not large format.
 
Just moved up from a 40D / 70-200mm F2.8 to 5DS MIII / 70-200mm F2.8 IS and the immediate thought is WOW'ser. Been an extended dry period for upgrading but decided to move. Kicked it back and forth whether to go large format and lose the X1.6 aspect ration
Perspective please. 35mm (poorly called full frame these days by websites) is actually small frame! with medium and large format photography being even larger!
Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you there. The term "format" refers to the capture format that the image circle was designed to fill. The term "frame" refers to the capture coverage of the format for a given system. "Full frame" implies that the sensor covers the full area of the imaging circle, irrespective of the imaging circle size. "Small frame" (or perhaps "sub frame") is what you might call APS-C (but only when used in a 35mm system, so not for CSCS like the Fujis - they're full frame), or things like the Pentax 645z, where the sensor is considerably smaller than the imaging circle of the 645 format.

Nikon sorta did the right thing by calling the formats CX, DX, and FX, because it obviates the need to use any terms other than "CX", "DX", and "FX".
Please look up small, medium , and large format photography. 35mm is not large format.
Yes, I know. But neither is it "small frame", which is what you described it as. "Full frame" is the accurate description of the frame coverage (relative to the imaging circle), and "35mm" is the accurate description of the format.
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top