Z50 ii: Rolling shutter also when shutter is set to Mechanical?

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Hi, Bought a Z50 ii recently, felt that I got a little rolling shutter when using the Auto setting for shutter type so set it for Mechanical. Was out photographing some terns today and got massive distortion from what I assume is rolling shutter on several pictures. Is this to be expected?



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The Auto setting is mechanical at your 1/2000 shutter speed.

The shutter choices:

Mechanical: the shutter closes. The sensor is reset for a new photo. The front curtain opens to start the exposure. The rear curtain follows, closing the sensor. At fast shutter speeds, it's making a slit traveling down the sensor.

Electronic shutter: The sensor resets and reads a few rows of sensor data at a time, traveling down the sensor. On the Z50 ii or the Z6 iii, this is a slower scan than the mechanical shutter, so there can be more "rolling shutter" artifacts.

Electronic front curtain EFCS: The mechanical shutter doesn't close to start the exposure. Instead, the sensor is reset. Now the rear curtain moves across the sensor. This avoids "shutter shock" vibrations from the front curtain closing just before the sensor is exposed. It's for lower shutter speeds.

Auto: The Z6 iii will use EFCS at 1/250 or slower. Mechanical at faster shutter speeds. I expect that the Z50 ii is similar.

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I use Auto or Electronic.
 
Hi, Bought a Z50 ii recently, felt that I got a little rolling shutter when using the Auto setting for shutter type so set it for Mechanical. Was out photographing some terns today and got massive distortion from what I assume is rolling shutter on several pictures. Is this to be expected?

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I don't do bird photography. But I wondered if it was rolling shutter or a weird wing geometry from that viewpoint.

A quick google image search for flying tern shows very few rear viewpoints. I suppose the front angle viewpoint makes a good composition, so those get chosen to edit. But maybe some rearward views get distorted looking wings?

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for example

A rear side view (from this link)

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That right wing is starting to look somewhat like your example photos? It's hard to see the compound bend in the wing here.

And this photo. Not exactly like your photos.

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The Z50II (actually ALL Nikon's digitals) has a vertical travel focal plane shutter. The "scan" time for the shutter in the Z50II is the Flash Sync Speed. This is equal to 5 milliseconds and that can produce a rather mild rolling shutter effect.
 
The Auto setting is mechanical at your 1/2000 shutter speed.

The shutter choices:

Mechanical: the shutter closes. The sensor is reset for a new photo. The front curtain opens to start the exposure. The rear curtain follows, closing the sensor. At fast shutter speeds, it's making a slit traveling down the sensor.

Electronic shutter: The sensor resets and reads a few rows of sensor data at a time, traveling down the sensor. On the Z50 ii or the Z6 iii, this is a slower scan than the mechanical shutter, so there can be more "rolling shutter" artifacts.

Electronic front curtain EFCS: The mechanical shutter doesn't close to start the exposure. Instead, the sensor is reset. Now the rear curtain moves across the sensor. This avoids "shutter shock" vibrations from the front curtain closing just before the sensor is exposed. It's for lower shutter speeds.

Auto: The Z6 iii will use EFCS at 1/250 or slower. Mechanical at faster shutter speeds. I expect that the Z50 ii is similar.

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I use Auto or Electronic.
Thanks for the explanation, that's useful!
 
Hi, Bought a Z50 ii recently, felt that I got a little rolling shutter when using the Auto setting for shutter type so set it for Mechanical. Was out photographing some terns today and got massive distortion from what I assume is rolling shutter on several pictures. Is this to be expected?
I don't do bird photography. But I wondered if it was rolling shutter or a weird wing geometry from that viewpoint.

A quick google image search for flying tern shows very few rear viewpoints. I suppose the front angle viewpoint makes a good composition, so those get chosen to edit. But maybe some rearward views get distorted looking wings?

~~~

for example

A rear side view (from this link)

That right wing is starting to look somewhat like your example photos? It's hard to see the compound bend in the wing here.

And this photo. Not exactly like your photos.
That's a good point, it might be a result of an unusual angle. I have photographed a lot of birds, but never seen the wings look like this, but I haven't photographed terns much and they have a wing with sharp angles in use so it might be that
 
The Z50II (actually ALL Nikon's digitals) has a vertical travel focal plane shutter. The "scan" time for the shutter in the Z50II is the Flash Sync Speed. This is equal to 5 milliseconds and that can produce a rather mild rolling shutter effect.
Thanks! It might be a mix here the, bird with sharp, thin wings from unusual angle and a bit rolling shutter
 
Hi, Bought a Z50 ii recently, felt that I got a little rolling shutter when using the Auto setting for shutter type so set it for Mechanical. Was out photographing some terns today and got massive distortion from what I assume is rolling shutter on several pictures. Is this to be expected?

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I'm not sure everybody understands what "rolling shutter" is.

A focal plane shutter consists of two curtains, a front curtain which is closed before exposure and a rear curtain that is open before exposure.
The time taken for the front curtain to open fully is short, generally with a mechanical shutter one can determine this time by looking at the maximum flash sync speed. Often this is 1/250 second.

When the shutter is released the front curtain starts to move, depending on the shutter speed selected (doesn't matter how it is selected) the rear curtain starts to close some time later. At. shutter speeds below the flash sync speed the rear curtain doesn't start to close until after the front curtain is fully open. Thus at 1/60s the front curtain starts to open and 1/60s later the rear curtain starts to close. The whole area of sensor gets exposed for 1/60s but one end gets exposed slightly earlier than the other.

At shutter speeds higher than the flash sync speed the front curtain starts to open as before but, before it reaches fully open, the rear curtain starts to close. Thus the rear curtain follows behind the front curtain. The higher the shutter speed the more closely the rear curtain follows the front curtain. Effectively there is a slit between the two curtains rolling across the sensor. Hence the term "rolling shutter".

It is important to realise that ALL focal plane shutters that rely on two curtains have rolling shutters, it cannot be avoided. Hence the interest in global shutters where the entire sensor is exposed at the same time.

To explain the visual effect of a rolling shutter, let's imagine a fast moving subject travelling from left to right across the field of view. The leading edge of an aircraft's wing for example. With the shutter closed the front curtain moves downwards. As it starts to move the wing is to the left of the frame, as the curtain travels downwards the wing is moving to the right. By the time the front curtain reaches the bottom of the frame the wing is further to the right than it was when the exposure started. hence instead of being rendered as straight it is curved. The rear curtain follows the front curtain.

Note: The property is present whether the shutter is mechanical or electronic. I have mentioned the sync speed for a mechanical shutter because it is somewhat easier to understand and describe.
 
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The rolling shutter is not something new and has nothing to do with the electronic shutter.

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Here is a classical image demonstrating it, taken long before digital cameras and electronic shutters were invented.

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The rolling shutter is not something new and has nothing to do with the electronic shutter.

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Here is a classical image demonstrating it, taken long before digital cameras and electronic shutters were invented.
Indeed, rolling shutter has nothing to do with cameras, it has to do with cars :D
 
A bird photographer from Japan (Twitter: momiji_man_10 ) also noticed that on 20 July 2025 and he said:

"Z50II silent mode so much distortion!"

He compared OM-III (with photos) and said:

"Those images taken with OM-III are electronic shutter too but they are not as distorted as Z50II, I guess the sensors made so much difference."

I am not using Z50II, I use Z5II and also notice the effect (distortion) especially when I am shooting with a 400mm telephoto lens, silent mode. Instead of birds I test my Z5II with Hong Kong buildings: occasionally the buildings are like "dancing" in the pictures.
 
A bird photographer from Japan (Twitter: momiji_man_10 ) also noticed that on 20 July 2025 and he said:

"Z50II silent mode so much distortion!"

He compared OM-III (with photos) and said:

"Those images taken with OM-III are electronic shutter too but they are not as distorted as Z50II, I guess the sensors made so much difference."

I am not using Z50II, I use Z5II and also notice the effect (distortion) especially when I am shooting with a 400mm telephoto lens, silent mode. Instead of birds I test my Z5II with Hong Kong buildings: occasionally the buildings are like "dancing" in the pictures.
Yes, also spectacular on helicopters :

 
A bird photographer from Japan (Twitter: momiji_man_10 ) also noticed that on 20 July 2025 and he said:

"Z50II silent mode so much distortion!"

He compared OM-III (with photos) and said:

"Those images taken with OM-III are electronic shutter too but they are not as distorted as Z50II, I guess the sensors made so much difference."

I am not using Z50II, I use Z5II and also notice the effect (distortion) especially when I am shooting with a 400mm telephoto lens, silent mode. Instead of birds I test my Z5II with Hong Kong buildings: occasionally the buildings are like "dancing" in the pictures.
Yes, also spectacular on helicopters :

More complicated in the Z50II case, not only moving parts distorted, anything don't move, distorted too, as shown:


I think it is due to the much "slower" sensor (as he compared the two in his own post) and the very subtle movement (panning, tilting) of the photographer (z50II seems very sensitive to it) these factors contributed to the effect.

May be the same case to my Z5II building shots: the buildings are not moving yet they looks like they are dancing.
 

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