Windows 7 to 10 "upgrade" problems.

[kelpdiver]

In my experience every windows 7 computer and particular ones with slower processors or less RAM produced a snappier experience after upgrading to Windows 10.

sure, though a clean install of 7 would also produce a snappier experience.

As for the OP, if this one product doesn't want to play nice, he could just dual boot with the two SSDs, booting to 7 when necessary. But if concerned about the security angle, disable the network on the 7 boot disk.

 

[BG454]

In my experience every windows 7 computer and particular ones with slower processors or less RAM produced a snappier experience after upgrading to Windows 10.

sure, though a clean install of 7 would also produce a snappier experience.

As for the OP, if this one product doesn't want to play nice, he could just dual boot with the two SSDs, booting to 7 when necessary. But if concerned about the security angle, disable the network on the 7 boot disk.

That is, of course, a good solution and one that I hadn't considered.
The Gigabyte motherboard that I'm using will accept an M2 SSD so I have the possibility of using that as one of my Boot drives.
I'm not quite sure how to set up dual Booting, but I'm sure the information is readily available.

Although I only use it occasionally, Luminar 4 has always worked trouble free under Windows 7.
I would have thought that software developers would have always used the latest version of the operating system to carry out their development work.

 

[Jon555]

In my experience every windows 7 computer and particular ones with slower processors or less RAM produced a snappier experience after upgrading to Windows 10.

sure, though a clean install of 7 would also produce a snappier experience.

As for the OP, if this one product doesn't want to play nice, he could just dual boot with the two SSDs, booting to 7 when necessary. But if concerned about the security angle, disable the network on the 7 boot disk.

That is, of course, a good solution and one that I hadn't considered.
The Gigabyte motherboard that I'm using will accept an M2 SSD so I have the possibility of using that as one of my Boot drives.
I'm not quite sure how to set up dual Booting, but I'm sure the information is readily available.

Although I only use it occasionally, Luminar 4 has always worked trouble free under Windows 7.
I would have thought that software developers would have always used the latest version of the operating system to carry out their development work.

Or just run Win7 (assuming you have a licence available, but you'd need that for dual boot) in a Virtual Machine, like VMWare Workstation (free for personal use), so you have both running at once and no rebooting required. I have two Win10s running on the screen I'm typing on, for example - native and virtual (the latter having a completely different config that wouldn't be sensible for general use).

 

[Morris0]

In my experience every windows 7 computer and particular ones with slower processors or less RAM produced a snappier experience after upgrading to Windows 10.

sure, though a clean install of 7 would also produce a snappier experience.

As for the OP, if this one product doesn't want to play nice, he could just dual boot with the two SSDs, booting to 7 when necessary. But if concerned about the security angle, disable the network on the 7 boot disk.

Not clean install of 10, upgrade.

Morris

 

[BG454]

I put "upgrade" in quotes for a reason!

I've had enough of fiddling around for now and I've reinstalled my original Samsung SSD with Windows 7 while I consider my next move.

Thank you once again to everyone who has taken the trouble to contribute to this thread.

 

[supersargas]

I added a workstation with the i9 CPU and the only way I could buy a new one was with Windows 10 pre-installed and the only drivers available are Windows 10 drivers. That is the only reason I bought the computer with Windows 10 installed.

Windows 10 has a significant and negative impact on computer performance with all the bloatware. Users seldom notice the difference as they have an old machine running Windows 7 and buy a new more powerful machine that is running Windows 10. Windows 10 is by no means more secure than Windows 7 in any regard. It is just as easy to hack a Windows 10 machine today as any Windows 7 machine.

Windows 10 is a lot more secure, and not just as it's the only one of the two that's getting patched.
Virtualization based security is a biggie (bits of kernel are off on their own)
Credential Guard
Device Guard
Secure Boot
Ransomware protection
It boots faster too.
Win7 was built on a 10-year old codebase, Win10 is new
Plus what bloatware interferes on a day-to-day basis?
Oh and you can change all the privacy options for stuff like callinmg home, which you can't in Win7 and the only option is to check every update and not install all the ones that do that, or just live with more outgoing data.
That said I still find Win10 very annoying on semi-regular occasions...

I have Windows 10 versin 1903 and I had to disable BitLocker and remove as much bloatware as possible and disable updates to have as stable a computer as possible.I spent a week researching Windows 10 issues to have a list of installation recommendations and post installation fixes to apply. Even with this research I missed a couple of problems like BitLocker and the issues with connecting to network printers using Windows 10 (no such issues with Windows 7 or Mac OS X) and getting the infamous "The active Directory Domain Services is currently unavailable" message.

The Windows 10 workstation cannot connect to an Canon laserjet on the network using Ethernet and so I bought a 20 foot USB cable to get around the problem. Hardly something I should have to do in 2020. With Microsoft is is always one step forward and one step backward. With Windows 7 I gained a Wintel 64-bit operating system and it was worth the grief. With Windows 10 the gain is with the new generation of Intel processors so as usual I update the OS to get a more powerful computer and not to get a better operating system.

Microsoft shut down its quality control testing lab in 2015 and now uses a single virtual machine to test code which is why new releases have shut down millions of desktops overnight.

I rely 100% on third party firewall and spyware and anti-virus and registry cleaners with the Windows 10 workstation in exactly the same manner as I have relied on them with computers running Windows 7, Windows XP, Window 2000, Windows 3.51, and Windows 3.1. Want a reliable and secure high performance operating system and you need to buy one of the grossly overpriced Apple worstations and pay a $4,000 premium over a Wintel computer.

Registry cleaners are always very brave... I'd only use one in manual mode to delete stuff you are sure is safe, or not at all.

Our last workstation purchase was one with Windows 10 and our last laptop purchase was the Mac Pro 16" laptop. The remainder of our workstations and laptops run with Windows 7 and will until we eventually replace them with Apple computers.

For a real revalation for the unitiated watch these two videos:

Windows 10 has home calling features that you cannot shut down, and it even tells you about it in the installation. It uses a disgusting amount of RAM, and/or a monstrous pagefile. It is substantially slower than any predecessor, and its a turtle compared to any Linux system. Also, the bloatware that you actually use (i.e. Photos) breaks if you perform system maintenance. Another thing which I find personally annoying is the way it tries to convince you of going deeper into the Microsoft services hole, such as using a mail based account instead of a normal system account.

I wouldn't take the security part for granted. Windows never changes for good, except if you consider the part where they are pushing users away to other systems.

 

[Jestertheclown]

Windows 10 has home calling features that you cannot shut down, and it even tells you about it in the installation. It uses a disgusting amount of RAM, and/or a monstrous pagefile. It is substantially slower than any predecessor, and its a turtle compared to any Linux system. Also, the bloatware that you actually use (i.e. Photos) breaks if you perform system maintenance. Another thing which I find personally annoying is the way it tries to convince you of going deeper into the Microsoft services hole, such as using a mail based account instead of a normal system account.
I wouldn't take the security part for granted. Windows never changes for good, except if you consider the part where they are pushing users away to other systems.

So, apart from that, you quite like it . . . ?


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[kelpdiver]

The Gigabyte motherboard that I'm using will accept an M2 SSD so I have the possibility of using that as one of my Boot drives.
I'm not quite sure how to set up dual Booting, but I'm sure the information is readily available.

for most motherboards, there is a hot key on startup (F8 on some, F12 on others) that lets you pick your boot drive. And within the bios, you can select the default order. So you put your most common choice first (I'd advise 10), and then when you want to use that program, boot to the alt drive (7).

The virtual machine route is also out there, but a little more leg work to set up.

 

[Jon555]

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Windows 10 has home calling features that you cannot shut down, and it even tells you about it in the installation. It uses a disgusting amount of RAM, and/or a monstrous pagefile. It is substantially slower than any predecessor, and its a turtle compared to any Linux system. Also, the bloatware that you actually use (i.e. Photos) breaks if you perform system maintenance. Another thing which I find personally annoying is the way it tries to convince you of going deeper into the Microsoft services hole, such as using a mail based account instead of a normal system account.
I wouldn't take the security part for granted. Windows never changes for good, except if you consider the part where they are pushing users away to other systems.

Yes but unlike Win7 you can set the data it sends back to a minimum.

I'd disagree it is slower. It also boots faster (even if you turn the really fast boot options off, which I'd recommend).

Linux isn't a desktop system for 99.999% of people. Just try installing anything that doesn't have a package for the distie you're using. (I installed Enlightenment in Mint once, my notes would blow most people's minds.....)

Actually on that subject the best things about Windows are the backwards compatibility (you can often run Win98se software, if it's 32-bit) and WinSxS, so you can have as many different versions of a library you want in use at one time. Porting stuff to other linux disties usually starts with it being unhappy about the versions of several libraries and changing them is usually brave, as backwards compatibility isn't always a thing.

I don't use Photos so can't comment.

You don't have to use an online logon, I have five Win10s I use and none have one (although one of those gets little use).

I have a 4GB Pagefile and only got more RAM so I could run several memory hog applications at once (Raw converter, PS, PtGui Pro). IIRC most of my Win10s run fine on 4GB RAM (I think they all have that except my photo one, which has 32).

 

[supersargas]

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Windows 10 has home calling features that you cannot shut down, and it even tells you about it in the installation. It uses a disgusting amount of RAM, and/or a monstrous pagefile. It is substantially slower than any predecessor, and its a turtle compared to any Linux system. Also, the bloatware that you actually use (i.e. Photos) breaks if you perform system maintenance. Another thing which I find personally annoying is the way it tries to convince you of going deeper into the Microsoft services hole, such as using a mail based account instead of a normal system account.
I wouldn't take the security part for granted. Windows never changes for good, except if you consider the part where they are pushing users away to other systems.

Yes but unlike Win7 you can set the data it sends back to a minimum.

I doubt it.

I'd disagree it is slower. It also boots faster (even if you turn the really fast boot options off, which I'd recommend).

In my practical experience, Linux running on a good / mid-tier hard drive boots as fast and is generally as responsive as Windows 10 running on a 970 EVO. The obvious difference will come when loading / moving large amounts of data.

Linux isn't a desktop system for 99.999% of people. Just try installing anything that doesn't have a package for the distie you're using. (I installed Enlightenment in Mint once, my notes would blow most people's minds.....)

I have nothing on that, the AUR prevents me from having to learn about it.

Actually on that subject the best things about Windows are the backwards compatibility (you can often run Win98se software, if it's 32-bit) and WinSxS, so you can have as many different versions of a library you want in use at one time. Porting stuff to other linux disties usually starts with it being unhappy about the versions of several libraries and changing them is usually brave, as backwards compatibility isn't always a thing.

I tried a CCleaner version I keep in my Drive, that has always worked with any Windows version, until I tried it with a fresh install a few weeks ago. It went like "boohoo, this program is just too old and not compatible, download a new version pls". The same release is still running in my personal Windows 10 install.

Both operative systems have this problem.

As a side note, in Linux, there is a program that hides your cursor when you type, called Unclutter, which according to this page is from the early 90s. It is still a supported package. I chose a different one for the sake of plug-and-play.

I don't use Photos so can't comment.

You don't have to use an online logon, I have five Win10s I use and none have one (although one of those gets little use).

I know I don't, but asking for three security questions for something so simple (and vulnerable, even with these countermeasures) is ridiculous, and (personally) annoying.

I have a 4GB Pagefile and only got more RAM so I could run several memory hog applications at once (Raw converter, PS, PtGui Pro). IIRC most of my Win10s run fine on 4GB RAM (I think they all have that except my photo one, which has 32).

My Windows partition has always 10GB of the pagefile in usage, while having 8GB of RAM and using 2.5GB at startup. By contrast, Linux will start with 1GB of RAM and nothing in the Swap partition, which I have set to another 8GB.

 

[Chris Noble]

My... there have been so many similar threads on DPReview!

I've been happily using Windows 7 for quite a while. However, following MS withdrawal of support for Win 7 I've reluctantly decided to "upgrade" to Win 10.

Yeah, why not stay with an obsolete system for a long time after the manufacturer has abundantly advertised that there are no security updates against new malware and an upgrade path is no longer available?

I then installed the cloned drive into my computer and everything ran W7 as before.
I then followed the upgrade steps from this website to convert my system from W7 to W10.

Sure, put your system and all its data at the mercy of a no-name site with no connection to Microsoft.

Let's "convert" rather than purchase the product, shall we? Save a few bucks wink wink?

The crash is that the whole computer goes completely dead, as if I had switched off the power.

If all else fails I will reinstall my original SSD and carry on using W7, which was trouble free.

Anybody got any suggestions?

Go back to W7, or (radical idea) pay Microsoft for a copy of their W10 software. Dealing honestly with software vendors does wonders for your computer's health.

 

[String]

My... there have been so many similar threads on DPReview!

I've been happily using Windows 7 for quite a while. However, following MS withdrawal of support for Win 7 I've reluctantly decided to "upgrade" to Win 10.

Yeah, why not stay with an obsolete system for a long time after the manufacturer has abundantly advertised that there are no security updates against new malware and an upgrade path is no longer available?

I then installed the cloned drive into my computer and everything ran W7 as before.
I then followed the upgrade steps from this website to convert my system from W7 to W10.

Sure, put your system and all its data at the mercy of a no-name site with no connection to Microsoft.

Let's "convert" rather than purchase the product, shall we? Save a few bucks wink wink?

The crash is that the whole computer goes completely dead, as if I had switched off the power.

If all else fails I will reinstall my original SSD and carry on using W7, which was trouble free.

Anybody got any suggestions?

Go back to W7, or (radical idea) pay Microsoft for a copy of their W10 software. Dealing honestly with software vendors does wonders for your computer's health.

No, no, no! "Everyone" knows just how bad anything from MS is... get Linux 'cause its real easy and "free"! Sorry, couldn't help the sarcasm