Why Olympus E-M1 II doesn't have such impressive sequence speed

[Tommi K1]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

 

[Messier Object]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

I don't think it matters to sports and wildlife shooters whether it is 9, 10, 15 or 18 FPS, just so long as the camera acquires sharp focus in the first frame and holds it to the last frame. 18 fps is not much good if every other frame is soft. If it does 10 with high accuracy then that equals the 7DmkII, and that will be good enough for me. If I needed 1Dx mk II performance I would not be buying an E-M1 mK II

Pet

 

[judoChop]

I remember a bunch of years ago my pro-photog buddy was doing action sports photos with burst mode. I think he had about max 8.3fps at the time. He found though that when he needed to shoot sequence bursts, that he would intentionally slow it down to about 6.5fps since it gave better spacing between shots (to actually capture different micro-moments).

The gist is that 10fps is already fast enough. Sure, maybe more might be better, but personally I wouldn't use it. Less photos to sort through looking for the keeper. I'm sure someone will make use for fast, and I may want it someday. but for now, that's not a priority for many sports shooters that I know.

I think the needed improvements are with the quality and speed of the C-AF. Hopefully it will deliver as hyped.

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

i use a Nikon 1 that has had these speeds for years, the main problem with shooting such high frame rates is the amount of files you have to work through, it's useful for some situation without a doubt, but if i spend a whole day at an airshow shooting 30fps it means thousands of files.........sod that for a game of soldiers

 

[horsth]

"So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS)"

Currently the E-M1 has AF-C in H-mode with 9fps sequence speed but without live-view. The E-M1mk2 will have in L-mode 10fps with live-view, thats an improvement of 3,5 fps in my math. Together with an improved AF-C algorithm that is a big step forward imo.

 

[Yxa]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Yes the marketing department has not been clear here ,to be polite.

And that's just the speed.

Now is the question how good will the camera be in nailing focus in C-AF

 

[Andrew Ellis]

Hmm, can't understand why people need to dis' a camera that has neither been launched, finalised or even properly tested yet.

If when it's launched and in people's hands it's a flop then fair enough, but for the moment, let's hold off dissecting it too far. I for one think it will be a very worthwhile improvement over the EM1 MK1, and await to be proven wrong - when a finalised copy with release state firmware loaded is available to the general public.

Good grief, it doesn't matter what tech camera manufacturers give us these days, it seems we are never happy !

 

[drj3]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

[Sequential shooting L] approx. 10 fps with selectable 1-10 fps (including AF tracking: C-AF+TR)

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

 

[Tony Rogers]

Hmm, can't understand why people need to dis' a camera that has neither been launched, finalised or even properly tested yet.

Because he has decided that he can't possibly use a camera that has a fully-articulating screen and so is on a mission to persuade everyone else that it is crap.

If when it's launched and in people's hands it's a flop then fair enough, but for the moment, let's hold off dissecting it too far. I for one think it will be a very worthwhile improvement over the EM1 MK1, and await to be proven wrong - when a finalised copy with release state firmware loaded is available to the general public.

Good grief, it doesn't matter what tech camera manufacturers give us these days, it seems we are never happy !

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[drj3]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Yes the marketing department has not been clear here ,to be polite.

Since these specifications come from the Olympus website, how have they not been clear?

And that's just the speed.

Now is the question how good will the camera be in nailing focus in C-AF

 

[nzmacro]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

I think a lot do realise that.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

I haven't seen it compared to a Canon 1Dx MKII with a 500 F/4 or 600 F/4 yet. Have you ??

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

I shoot BIF's and sports using 4 FPS mostly and only now and again will use 8 - 10 FPS with manual focus. I'm not sure what you take though.

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Some pros are already using the E-M1 now. Do you mean you couldn't with the E-M1 MKII ??

Danny.

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[Yxa]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Yes the marketing department has not been clear here ,to be polite.

Since these specifications come from the Olympus website, how have they not been clear?

And that's just the speed.

Now is the question how good will the camera be in nailing focus in C-AF

 

[Okapi001]

You do realise you are getting quite boring with your recent torrent of similar threads, whining about some alleged shortcomings of the new Olympus? It will be just as fast or faster than most prosumer and pro DSLRs.

 

[Martin.au]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Oh have a cry.

I recall the E-M1 had a limit of 6.5 fps using C-AF, and that limit still exists if you want live feed between frames.

The E-M1 II now brings that up to 10fps.

 

[Tommi K1]

Not a problem at all!

You don't need to edit all, or pixel peep all.

And you are not supposed to shoot all the time buffer filled.

And when you shoot, on moments you hit playback and lock best on moment and keep going.

Throw shots to computer and look thumbnails, you will catch best ones by that way quickly and you have a couple dozen to start processing.

Coming home each day in two week period with 5000-7000 frames per day, I can say you learn truck or two to pick best 30 from day in few minutes.

 

[Tommi K1]

I can track all subjects with 1 frame delay on E-M1... It ain't problem at all.

 

[drsonic]

Now is the question how good will the camera be in nailing focus in C-AF

I would think it should be better now the focus points are all cross type, E-M1 hunts alot as you probably know in C-AF, trying to find something to lock on to unless the lines are running the right way

 

[drj3]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

Yes the marketing department has not been clear here ,to be polite.

Since these specifications come from the Olympus website, how have they not been clear?

And that's just the speed.

Now is the question how good will the camera be in nailing focus in C-AF

 

[Guy Parsons]

I remember a bunch of years ago my pro-photog buddy was doing action sports photos with burst mode. I think he had about max 8.3fps at the time. He found though that when he needed to shoot sequence bursts, that he would intentionally slow it down to about 6.5fps since it gave better spacing between shots (to actually capture different micro-moments).

The gist is that 10fps is already fast enough. Sure, maybe more might be better, but personally I wouldn't use it. Less photos to sort through looking for the keeper. I'm sure someone will make use for fast, and I may want it someday. but for now, that's not a priority for many sports shooters that I know.

I think the needed improvements are with the quality and speed of the C-AF. Hopefully it will deliver as hyped.

Yes, this humble amateur mucking about with a Casio pocket camera capable of 30fps at 16MP settled it on 5fps as a sensible compromise between "capturing the moment" and number of images to wade through. That gives enough difference between frames for most human and traffic movement. At 60fps it would be a nightmare choosing the frame unless it was some dramatically fast and hard to capture event.

Regards.... Guy

 

[Tommi K1]

Sorry but you are totally wrong with your assumptions.

Look around... People don't get what the camera does from core features that were marketed.

I want this camera, but it isn't what i want but what I need.

And when need doesn't meet requirements, it doesn't matter what i want.

The simple thing is as well that we can expect plumps to release bunch of firmware updates in coming years that improve things, maybe even radically. But currently 10 fps with C-AF is no where near to top DSLR capabilities.

It is like a HR mode. Works great on studio products photography, not with moving subjects.

Do does it make it medium format equal? No.... Only in very niche cases.

Electronic shutter without global shutter means it does have limitations for motion. And where else than in motion do you need high frame rates?

18 fps mechanical shutter with C-AF and there wouldn't be problems in Olympus claims.

Very slight jello effect for sprinting person while panning from side of even that and it is great.

But if normal bird wings or car tires bend... Not good and that will generate bad marketing to Olympus. Why they should really show what the sensors is capable.