Why Olympus E-M1 II doesn't have such impressive sequence speed

[joeletx]

Could you post some of your professional shots, so we can see where this Mk2 would fall short? Or post a link to your professional website?

That would be very helpful in trying to understand your point for this post.

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Not sure he has the time after shooting his 5000-7000 shots per day.

I don't know any pro who shot 5,000-7,000 a day.

7,000 shots per 4 hr shooting day equals 1,750 shots per hour; and equals approximately 30 shots a minute! That equals to holding the shutter for approximately 3 seconds every minute for 4 hours! It is getting knee-deep here folks!

If he select best 30 keeper shots a day then his keeper ratio is 0.4%; that says so much about his stringent AF criteria that Olympus lacks.

 

[Tony Rogers]

Hmm, can't understand why people need to dis' a camera that has neither been launched, finalised or even properly tested yet.

If you read some of the other threads in the forum, the OP is upset that Oly put an articulated screen onto the EM1ii, so he wants it to fail miserably so that Oly will put tilting screens on their future cameras.

That's hilarious. I hope it isn't true. :-(

Sad but true.

 

[whumber]

Perhaps you overstate your case on how limiting this really is. Olympus also state that this camera has greatly reduced rolling shutter compared to previous models.... like 50% reduced.

50% reduced is nothing to sneeze at but it will still most likely disqualify silent shutter mode in the situations where you would want 18fps, it's not like the current silent shutter is right on the edge of usable for quick action.

There are some scenarios, such as a person running directly toward the camera, where the silent shutter mode may be useable and 18 fps with C-AF would be fantastic to have in the toolbelt.

So, every real professional today already uses cameras shooting over 10 fps mechanical with AF? Would you like to phone a friend before answering? Because you just cut the field down to the 1DXii with 14 fps for $6000 and the humble D5 with 12 fps for $6500 (barely any faster than E-M1ii),

1DXMk1 [12 fps] as well if we're going to nitpick, =).

 

[Skeeterbytes]

At this point you're straight up trolling. You don't like the new camera--we get it, you made this abundently clear already. For many of us it's precisely the camera we want to advance our kit beyond what the current generation can do, especially with the latest lenses.

Rick

 

[whumber]

If you can't get "the shot" at 10fps, you don't have a hope of getting at 18fps either.

Not sure I agree with that. Think of catching a tennis stroke, the difference between 10 and 18 fps could be 1 or 2 extra frames during the strokes. That can easily be the difference between getting the a shot and getting the shot, so to speak.

 

[Godiwa]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

*yawn*

we get it, you don't like the camera, now move on...

 

[whumber]

Not sure he has the time after shooting his 5000-7000 shots per day.

I don't know any pro who shot 5,000-7,000 a day.

Maybe he shoots Color Runs or other giant races/runs like that. I've done a few of those and you can easily shoot 10K shots in a day.

 

[JunzInc]

"So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS)"

Currently the E-M1 has AF-C in H-mode with 9fps sequence speed but without live-view. The E-M1mk2 will have in L-mode 10fps with live-view, thats an improvement of 3,5 fps in my math. Together with an improved AF-C algorithm that is a big step forward imo.

Hi, Can you please clarify a bit on what you mean by '10fps with live-view'. Is the displayed frame the last captured frame i.e Slide show effect or does it also have an intermediate frame between each captured shots i.e similar to 8FPS Live View on the Sony A6300.

Regards

JM

 

[DLGW]

Neither hi-res nor electronic shutter are going to be perfect for every possible use.

This doesn't mean they aren't a valuable addition to the camera. It does mean that the photographer is going to have to learn about these features and find out what their limitations are - since they do have limitations.

 

[Nemo0815]

We have all heard it, 18 FPS with C-AF and even with tracking, and then 60 FPS with AF/AE locked.

More often people forget that these values are with electronical shutter, having a rolling shutter limitation. And while Olympus says that it ain't problem for "distant animals", It will be problem for BIF or human - regardless of the distance - when there is enough motion on sensor area.

If you don't want rolling shutter problem, then what? You use mechanical shutter, of course! But here comes again the fancy marketing team....

Mechanical shutter gives you 15 frames sequential shooting speed, AF/AE locked.... Wait, what? Wasn't this camera to be to compete best DSLR?

So what is the fastest possible sequential shooting with C-AF or C-AF + Tracking? 10 FPS.... That is like.... about 1 FPS improvement over E-M1 with C-AF (tracking still limited to 6.5 FPS).

This truly is E-M1 Mark two, and to see real improvements, we need to wait E-M2.

This is just a hybrid camera for videographers, like combining E-M5 II and E-M1 to one body with slight buffing in electronical shutter.

And to see the real professional photographer camera, it is required to wait E-M2.

That sums it up pretty good!

 

[Jim Salvas]

Olympus' target for this camera is the enthusiast action shooter who now uses the Nikon D500 or comparable model. A CAF speed of 10fps would bring the E-M1 II to parity with the D500, which would be quite a feat, considering the Oly will likely cost about 25% less, weigh less and give you stabilization on every lens you can mount on it.

If you want to spend more and carry more, then good on you. Go for it.

 

[Jim Salvas]

Not sure he has the time after shooting his 5000-7000 shots per day.

I don't know any pro who shot 5,000-7,000 a day.

Maybe he shoots Color Runs or other giant races/runs like that. I've done a few of those and you can easily shoot 10K shots in a day.

As an aside, you have to be pretty brave about your gear to shoot those color runs, as that crap can infiltrate every nook and cranny of a camera.

 

[horsth]

Olympus' target for this camera is the enthusiast action shooter who now uses the Nikon D500 or comparable model. A CAF speed of 10fps would bring the E-M1 II to parity with the D500, which would be quite a feat, considering the Oly will likely cost about 25% less, weigh less and give you stabilization on every lens you can mount on it.

If you want to spend more and carry more, then good on you. Go for it.

 

[Jim Salvas]

Olympus' target for this camera is the enthusiast action shooter who now uses the Nikon D500 or comparable model. A CAF speed of 10fps would bring the E-M1 II to parity with the D500, which would be quite a feat, considering the Oly will likely cost about 25% less, weigh less and give you stabilization on every lens you can mount on it.

If you want to spend more and carry more, then good on you. Go for it.

 

[Arizona Sunset]

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[horsth]

Olympus' target for this camera is the enthusiast action shooter who now uses the Nikon D500 or comparable model. A CAF speed of 10fps would bring the E-M1 II to parity with the D500, which would be quite a feat, considering the Oly will likely cost about 25% less, weigh less and give you stabilization on every lens you can mount on it.

If you want to spend more and carry more, then good on you. Go for it.

 

[joeletx]

At this point you're straight up trolling. You don't like the new camera--we get it, you made this abundently clear already. For many of us it's precisely the camera we want to advance our kit beyond what the current generation can do, especially with the latest lenses.

Rick

 

[SpinOne]

I use E-M1 for next to top Canon and Nikon spirits cameras without any shame of results, but I am as well able get shots they can't because tilt screen, that side articulating screen can't offer and is like a fixed screen.

What are you shooting, that the image can only be captured with a tilt LCD?

 

[Photo Pete]

I can track all subjects with 1 frame delay on E-M1... It ain't problem at all.

Impressive. High speed football, basketball or ice hockey in which the players quickly change direction are a real challenge for me in H mode. To be honest I found it unusable in those scenarios and now use L mode with live view between frames.

Looking foreward to the mkii to see how significant the improvement is.

 

[John Schulte]

All;

I have the EM-1- the thing about this camera that excites me is that it has made taking pictures so much fun. I am a mirrorless fan except..... when following sports with my grandkids.

It does not track very well (compared to my Nikon D7200) and the blackout between shots makes it hard to follow action-

I tried a Panasonic G8 and the tracking was not much better-

I am hopeful this might be a better sports camera- that would do it for me.

cheers-

John