Why not call them DSLs?

Are you trying to convince me or yourself ?

Generaly the term used by the makers is the one that is known and understood by the public.

In the end I really don't care what term is used as long as it is understood by most.
Makers just use terms that accepted by the public
So, given that the makers are using the term Mirrorless, that means it is the term accepted by the public.

Did you realise that you contradicted your previous comments?
The term "mirrorless" appeared nearly two decades ago and was adopted by camera makers later, same with the term "MILC": it appeared about a decade ago and now begins to being slowly adopted by camera makers - Sony and Nikon already using it in different variations.
  • Sony using ILCE (Interchangeable Lens Camera with E-mount) acronym
  • Nikon using "Advanced Camera with Interchangeable Lens" term
  • CIPA using "Mirrorless Camera with Interchangeable Lens" term
So it's all comes down to:

- Interchangeable Lens

attached to

- camera

which is

- mirrorless (as a point that they are contrary to cameras with mirror)

so we got I L C and M letters...

And, so... why not to arrange them in a most pleasant way that is sound like "MILC"? It's beautiful, short, sounds cool and similiar to "milk" which is a likeable word.

It's easy and if it ain't broke - don't fix it.
you have come up with MILC because some use somewhat similar but not the same acronyms* (according to you) and then state " if it ain't broke - don't fix it.' except that you are proposing a change.

Those acronyms :

ILCE

ACIL

MCIL

those to you lead to a common MILC ( sure....)

You really need to work on your sense of logic.

and so that you don't further confuse yourself , both Nikon and Sony still call them mirrorless


 
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Are you trying to convince me or yourself ?

Generaly the term used by the makers is the one that is known and understood by the public.

In the end I really don't care what term is used as long as it is understood by most.
Makers just use terms that accepted by the public
So, given that the makers are using the term Mirrorless, that means it is the term accepted by the public.

Did you realise that you contradicted your previous comments?
The term "mirrorless" appeared nearly two decades ago and was adopted by camera makers later, same with the term "MILC": it appeared about a decade ago and now begins to being slowly adopted by camera makers - Sony and Nikon already using it in different variations.
  • Sony using ILCE (Interchangeable Lens Camera with E-mount) acronym
  • Nikon using "Advanced Camera with Interchangeable Lens" term
  • CIPA using "Mirrorless Camera with Interchangeable Lens" term
So it's all comes down to:

- Interchangeable Lens

attached to

- camera

which is

- mirrorless (as a point that they are contrary to cameras with mirror)

so we got I L C and M letters...

And, so... why not to arrange them in a most pleasant way that is sound like "MILC"? It's beautiful, short, sounds cool and similiar to "milk" which is a likeable word.

It's easy and if it ain't broke - don't fix it.
you have come up with MILC because some use somewhat similar but not the same acronyms* (according to you) and then state " if it ain't broke - don't fix it.' except that you are proposing a change.

Those acronyms :

ILCE

ACIL

MCIL

those to you lead to a common MILC ( sure....)

You really need to work on your sense of logic.
Logic is that MILC sounds cool and other names ain't. While MILC is also perfectly describes the product and this terms: "Camera with Interchangeable Lens" and "Mirrorless" - are both used by CIPA and first letters of this words are arranging into MILC in most pleasant way (why not to use the most pleasant way if we can to?)

You really need to work on your sense of logic.
and so that you don't further confuse yourself , both Nikon and Sony still call them mirrorless

https://www.nikon.com.au/mirrorless-cameras

https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/compact-mirrorless-cameras
"Advanced Camera with Interchangeable Lens" is written on Nikon 1 system page, so it was adopted a dozen of years ago already

And ILCE is the official name of all Sony cameras with interchangeable lenses

Just so you don't further confuse yourself
 
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Remember, SLR and TLR didn't make you think of the actual product when the terms were freshly coined. We've got a chance to coin a term that will be habitable and not have people 20 years down the road going "why would a camera have a mirror?"
Did you know that the word “footage” comes from the fact that film was measured in feet?

My point is, just because a word doesn’t make logical sense anymore, doesn’t mean that people will frown upon that word. It might be so familiar that it will simply take on the meaning of what we all mean with it already.
People still refer to recording video onto a memory card taping.
Do they?

I've been doing video work on and off for many years. I haven’t been on a commercial shoot in six days, though. Has this "taping" thing started up since then?

You kids and your trendy slang…
 
I was just thinking of the "generational jumps" that have been made. DSLRs succeeded SLRs.
Yes, but then DSLRs ruled, and we’re stuck with a modifier that became redundant.
But then we also has SLTs, with similar autofocus to DSLRs but an electronic viewfinder. It has a mirror, but not for the same purpose as a (D)SLR does, and it doesn't move out of the way either when exposing the sensor.
No, "we" didn’t have those. The last of the Konica/Minolta culture screwing up Sony had them, and they were soon purged, nothing but a minor footnote in the history of digital photography.
Then we had mirrorless cameras,
And now mirrors are essentially dead, and noting that cameras are "mirrorless" is confusing to newer photographers.
and now we are getting more computational photography features in those cameras.
Which is just a normal part of photography now, whether the camera has interchangeable lenses or fixed lenses, a rangefinder or not, etc. It's not a difference that identifies the type of camera that people use.
Also, the first mirrorless cameras didn't have any deep learning autofocus capabilities either. It seems then, it's more about the electronification/computerisation of the whole camera replacing mechanical and/or optical elements. Although that last aspect isn't entirely correct either, since the micro lenses in front of the sensor are still part of what makes PDAF work (I think?)
Yes. The offsetting of a certain number of microlenses.
It's also interesting that the term "DSLR" doesn't actually imply interchangeable lenses.
So, your logic for not having a descriptive, habitable term is that old terms weren’t accurate?

Life is about improvement.
And that actually, we have had mirrorless digital cameras for decades already. My old Canon PowerShot A610 was a mirrorless camera. It didn't have phase-detect AF or any deep learning. Nor did it have a large sensor. but I doubt any of that's considered a requirement. Up until recently, Panasonic cameras also just had contrast-based AF. And micro four thirds cameras are also considered mirrorless.
I don’t see what any of those disconnected facts have to do with, well, anything.
Maybe what we're after then is not something "as opposed to"a DSLR (e.g. "mirrorless"), but more something that captures the uniqueness of both a PowerShot A610 and a Sony a1: the fact that use a single sensor for light metering, AF and capturing the exposure.
The "uniqueness" of a Sony A1 is that it belongs to a class of cameras where you can change the lens to suit your mission, all the way from a 220° fisheye to a 2.5° long telephoto. Wide range zooms, fast zooms, even faster primes, macro lenses. You can couple it directly to a microscope or telescope.

The uniqueness of a PowerShot A610 is that it can’t.
How does Digital Single Sensor (DSS) sound?
Silly. Most large cameras are "single sensor", whether they're rangefinders, DSLRs, or "mirrorless".

Most phones aren’t. My current phone has four "conventional" rear cameras and an additional infrared time-of-flight 3D imager, and two front cameras. It does a certain amount of "sensor fusion" between the multiple cameras.
If a1 users can bear having their camera be categorised in the same group as that 5MP 1/1.7 inch PowerShot. ;)
It's not what one can "bear": the best fixed-lens camera is still a fixed-lens camera and cannot do what an interchangeable lens camera can.

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The term "mirrorless" is totally obsolete. It's time we call out EVIL for what it is. (Or, if you can't handle "Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens" then Frenchify it and call it "LIVE" for "Lens Interchangeable, Viewfinder Electronic" or "Viseur électronique").
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Thank you for your opinion on every single thing I said.
 
Did you know that the word “footage” comes from the fact that film was measured in feet?

My point is, just because a word doesn’t make logical sense anymore, doesn’t mean that people will frown upon that word. It might be so familiar that it will simply take on the meaning of what we all mean with it already.
People still refer to recording video onto a memory card taping.
Do they?

I've been doing video work on and off for many years. I haven’t been on a commercial shoot in six days, though. Has this "taping" thing started up since then?

You kids and your trendy slang…
I hear "taped a video" or "I taped it" and similar terms all the time among the general public. For example, "I taped the game last night so I could watch it today". Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it's not true. I'm 77 and not a kid.
 
Did you know that the word “footage” comes from the fact that film was measured in feet?

My point is, just because a word doesn’t make logical sense anymore, doesn’t mean that people will frown upon that word. It might be so familiar that it will simply take on the meaning of what we all mean with it already.
People still refer to recording video onto a memory card taping.
Do they?

I've been doing video work on and off for many years. I haven’t been on a commercial shoot in six days, though. Has this "taping" thing started up since then?

You kids and your trendy slang…
I hear "taped a video" or "I taped it" and similar terms all the time among the general public. For example, "I taped the game last night so I could watch it today". Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it's not true. I'm 77 and not a kid.
 
Can't speak for where you live, but around here we still wear "watches" or "digital watches", say LED (or flat screen) television, and I never heard anyone call them "digital calculators" - they were "electronic calculators" because all calculators except an abacus spit out numbers - or "digits".

They were called "automobiles" - "horseless carriage" went away in the late eighteenth century when horse-drawn carriages began disappearing in earnest - unless you were in my Grandparents generation when they were simply called "machines". Post WWII they became "cars" and "trucks" and lately we've added variations like "SUV's" and other nonsensical names.

And "smart phones" for a device who's cleverest rick is being able to set itself to Daylight Savings Time all by itself? I like the British "mobile phone" a lot more.

I hope we never go solely to digital watches. How would we teach kids what "clockwise" and "counter-clockwise" means? Wy, they'd never be able to get the lid off a jar of peanut butter.

:-D
Digital has become ‘normal’. We no longer say ‘digital watch’, but just ‘watch’. Likewise with other terms from the 1970s like ‘digital calculator’. We no longer say ‘flat panel LED TV’, but just ‘TV’….because they’re all flat panel LED. The marvel of things being digital has worn off.

When we buy a car, we don’t ask the salesman for a ‘horseless carriage’, right? We don’t ask if it comes with airbags, seat belts, or fuel injection (what ever that is). Those things have become the norm.
 

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