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I feel sorry for posters who mention, as I did in another thread, that they see an advantage in a pop-up flash, as suddenly "professionals" start having a pop at them. I have a 550EX but I don't always carry it, never take it on a plane as it is heavy and usually find that when I come to use it the battery has run down. Where would the ideal place for a flash be so that it was always available - I know, on the camera! And for the people who said that that a pop-up flash wouldn't clear a big lens with hood, guess what, the hoods come off. To me anything that rescues an otherwise impossible photo has some merit.
 
BillJohnson said:
I feel sorry for posters who mention, as I did in another thread,
that they see an advantage in a pop-up flash, as suddenly
"professionals" start having a pop at them. I have a 550EX but I
don't always carry it, never take it on a plane as it is heavy and
usually find that when I come to use it the battery has run down.
Where would the ideal place for a flash be so that it was always
available - I know, on the camera! And for the people who said that
that a pop-up flash wouldn't clear a big lens with hood, guess what,
the hoods come off. To me anything that rescues an otherwise
impossible photo has some merit.
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With today's hi ISO and PP capabilities, any photo can be "rescued." Especially those as unimportant as the ones you would use a pop up on.

If it were important or (gasp!) a job, you should come prepared.

The argument for a pop up always comes down to that "one" time in a million where you "want" a little fill flash.

The fact of the matter is Canon does not deem it important, based on the people who actually use their products.

Canon may also, in fact, one day put a pop up in a future 5Dx body - then the pop up crowd will something else to whine about while they are taking pictures of rules and cats.

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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Michael_J said:
BillJohnson said:
I feel sorry for posters who mention, as I did in another thread,
that they see an advantage in a pop-up flash, as suddenly
"professionals" start having a pop at them. I have a 550EX but I
don't always carry it, never take it on a plane as it is heavy and
usually find that when I come to use it the battery has run down.
Where would the ideal place for a flash be so that it was always
available - I know, on the camera! And for the people who said that
that a pop-up flash wouldn't clear a big lens with hood, guess what,
the hoods come off. To me anything that rescues an otherwise
impossible photo has some merit.
Click to expand...
With today's hi ISO and PP capabilities, any photo can be "rescued."
Especially those as unimportant as the ones you would use a pop up on.

If it were important or (gasp!) a job, you should come prepared.

The argument for a pop up always comes down to that "one" time in a
million where you "want" a little fill flash.

The fact of the matter is Canon does not deem it important, based on
the people who actually use their products.

Canon may also, in fact, one day put a pop up in a future 5Dx body -
then the pop up crowd will something else to whine about while they
are taking pictures of rules and cats.

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
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why the heck does it bother you so much, it didnt hur the D700 any.....
and some people have shot far more than rulers and cats....
have you ever shot the NCAA tournament?
 
John Motts said:
The Canon 5D is leaky enough without adding any more seams to let in
water.
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perhaps, but the flash area seems far from the most dangerous area and tend to doubt it would fail first when it rains

and if you are worried about it and have no use for it, seal it up with super glue and no worries.
 
Let's see, over the years I have owned, richoflex, yashicaflex, mamiyaflex, graflex, linhof, bronica, nikon, canon f-1, EF, A-1 AE-1, polaroid 110, polaroid 190, zeiss ikonta, minox IIIs, Olympus XA, Petri, etc etc etc. Canon 5D, etc etc, none had built in flash, never missed it, all took wonderful photos, whether with flashbulbs or with autoflash such as my favorite vivitar 283's. Never did use flashpowder, though I think my dad did.

I have also owned pocket instamatics, and canon Elan7 with built in flashes. The flash results were awful, but ok for occasional snapshots.

I do carry a 220ex in my quick response kit, highly recommend it with a off-camera cord, and a velcro-on CTO filter for indoor flash. 580ex is also a wonderful flash, but I don't always have it with me, stays in the big bag.

So there, good riddance to built in flash in pro cameras.

But Canon should have built in wireless flash triggering!
 
bronxbombers said:
Michael_J said:
BillJohnson said:
I feel sorry for posters who mention, as I did in another thread,
that they see an advantage in a pop-up flash, as suddenly
"professionals" start having a pop at them. I have a 550EX but I
don't always carry it, never take it on a plane as it is heavy and
usually find that when I come to use it the battery has run down.
Where would the ideal place for a flash be so that it was always
available - I know, on the camera! And for the people who said that
that a pop-up flash wouldn't clear a big lens with hood, guess what,
the hoods come off. To me anything that rescues an otherwise
impossible photo has some merit.
Click to expand...
With today's hi ISO and PP capabilities, any photo can be "rescued."
Especially those as unimportant as the ones you would use a pop up on.

If it were important or (gasp!) a job, you should come prepared.

The argument for a pop up always comes down to that "one" time in a
million where you "want" a little fill flash.

The fact of the matter is Canon does not deem it important, based on
the people who actually use their products.

Canon may also, in fact, one day put a pop up in a future 5Dx body -
then the pop up crowd will something else to whine about while they
are taking pictures of rules and cats.

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
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why the heck does it bother you so much,
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If you assume it bothers me "so much", then I must assume it also bothers you "so much" to keep responding to me.
bronxbombers said:
it didnt hur the D700 any.....
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So? I don't shoot Nikon. I don't really care, I just like seeing folks get their panties in a bunch over something that doesn't exist in the cameras of this forum.
bronxbombers said:
and some people have shot far more than rulers and cats....
have you ever shot the NCAA tournament?
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Are there rulers and cats there?

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
bronxbombers said:
John Motts said:
The Canon 5D is leaky enough without adding any more seams to let in
water.
Click to expand...
perhaps, but the flash area seems far from the most dangerous area
and tend to doubt it would fail first when it rains

and if you are worried about it and have no use for it, seal it up
with super glue and no worries.
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Or the weather sealed 580EXII.

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Michael_J said:
Skip M said:
Michael_J said:
Skip M said:
No, but the 270 is small enough to fit into a jacket pocket, and it
will bounce, which a pop up won't...
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It will if you drop it. :-)
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LOL, not if it's on a camera, it won't!
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Maybe not as a unit, but the pieces would!
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True, true...
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Skip M
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John Stewart
 
These "I want a pop up flash on my 5D/1D/1Ds" threads usually hit 150 in a day or two.

Either the interest in a pop up on their beloved camera is waning - or, after learning to use their camera, they have decided that they really don't need one. ;-)

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Michael_J said:
These "I want a pop up flash on my 5D/1D/1Ds" threads usually hit 150
in a day or two.

Either the interest in a pop up on their beloved camera is waning -
or, after learning to use their camera, they have decided that they
really don't need one. ;-)
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Maybe it's because beating on Canon for this for years didn't help and they foolishly released the 5DII without one anyway. Or maybe it's because all the self-appointed "real photographers" don't ever seem to get it anyway.

--
Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)
 
ljfinger said:
Maybe it's because beating on Canon for this for years didn't help
and they foolishly released the 5DII without one anyway. Or maybe
it's because all the self-appointed "real photographers" don't ever
seem to get it anyway.
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If having a flash means a darker viewfinder, I'll have the brighter viewfinder.

--
John

 
ljfinger said:
Maybe it's because beating on Canon for this for years didn't help
and they foolishly released the 5DII without one anyway. Or maybe
it's because all the self-appointed "real photographers" don't ever
seem to get it anyway.
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or maybe, just maybe, Canon actually put some thought into it and know their market better than you do?

And what's a self appointed "real photographer"? I do photography full time for a living and it was me who appointed myself to that position. Do I qualify?
 
ljfinger said:
Michael_J said:
These "I want a pop up flash on my 5D/1D/1Ds" threads usually hit 150
in a day or two.

Either the interest in a pop up on their beloved camera is waning -
or, after learning to use their camera, they have decided that they
really don't need one. ;-)
Click to expand...
Maybe it's because beating on Canon for this for years didn't help
and they foolishly released the 5DII without one anyway. Or maybe
it's because all the self-appointed "real photographers" don't ever
seem to get it anyway.
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Well, I suppose there's always that.

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
John Motts said:
ljfinger said:
Maybe it's because beating on Canon for this for years didn't help
and they foolishly released the 5DII without one anyway. Or maybe
it's because all the self-appointed "real photographers" don't ever
seem to get it anyway.
Click to expand...
or maybe, just maybe, Canon actually put some thought into it and
know their market better than you do?

And what's a self appointed "real photographer"? I do photography
full time for a living and it was me who appointed myself to that
position. Do I qualify?
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That's about as "self-appointed" and "real" as it gets - You have qualified. :-)

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Skip M said:
Skip M said:
And what's a self appointed "real photographer"? I do photography
full time for a living and it was me who appointed myself to that
position. Do I qualify?
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Well, if you do, I do, too.
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I am not qualified. I am self-appointed, but I'm no longer a "real" photographer - I'm retired.

--
People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
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