Why no flash?

[Michael_J]

A dry mono tone answer seems to be your strong suit. Don't get me wrong, that is needed here too.

But your failure to recognize humor should not be projected onto others as their failure to deliver. Just some food for thought.

Well, I am not gonna attempt to be funny or clever (after seeing so
many fail miserably).
If your question is a serious question, canon states that the large
pentaprism needed for the full frame does not leave much room for a
pop up flash.

If he bought a $2600 camera not knowing it didn't have a pop up flash, I doubt he'd understand your explanation as to why it doesn't have one.

that is at least part of their explanation. even when
I had the original rebel, I tried to stay away from on board flash.
I have two flash guns (a 430 ex, and a sigma 500 super that needs to
be rechipped) and two strobes (alienbee 800's) and still certainly
would not have minded if the 5d had that on board flash. Sometimes
its just nice to mount a 50mm prime, and have the flash available for
fill light.

Keep that dream alive, maybe the 5DMKIV will have one.

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[Michael_J]

'FLASH ACTIVATE' never worked well on the 1D's - I seriously doubt if it works AT ALL on the 5D's.

No posts since the initial one.. unless he is truly sitting around
shouting 'FLASH ACTIVATE' as I suggested.. lol

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[Jim Rutkowski]

BTW, the original 5D's flash was activated by a built-in "Clapper." All you had to do was gently toss the camera up in the air about two feet, clap your hands twice and by the time you caught the camera, the flash was fully deployed. Quite effective, actually.

 

[drookie]

I would prefer the big bright viewfinder any day of the week to a small one with a pop up flash. Pop up flash is so harsh and useless anyways you are way better with off axis light of some kind.
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'If your lens is too short your not close enough to your subject!'

 

[DAJ]

Cheers Jim, thats where I'm going wrong (I must have missed that in the manual) How silly I must have looked shouting "Flash activate" at the camera!

BTW, the original 5D's flash was activated by a built-in "Clapper."
All you had to do was gently toss the camera up in the air about two
feet, clap your hands twice and by the time you caught the camera,
the flash was fully deployed. Quite effective, actually.

 

[stevejenn]

Canon had to make a choice, the flash or the print button. They felt the print button was more important. I have never missed a built in flash with my 5D mkI or my 1D mkI and never have used the built in with my 40D. I carry my 550ex or my 580ex II with me most of the time and love it.

Steve

 

[kevindar]

1. Touche

2. There is actually humor in my first statement if you read it again. Some will recognize it. Many may not find it funny, and in fairness is was not meant to be haha funny.
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[John Sheehy]

Sometimes I think this forum is a little harsh on the uninformed
consumers of highend gear; but, I must admit to having LOLes myself.

I would have laughed, perhaps, if the OP came across as a know-it-all. The OP, however, just asked a question about an assumption he made. The reactions of most of the people replying here are very immature, and show deep-rooted insecurity issues. It is really sad if laughing at the OP in this case makes you feel good about yourself. It is quite normal to make a few assumptions when you purchase something, especially something that looks like something else you are already familiar with.

When I bought my 20D, after having a 10D, I assumed that the 20D or any future Canon would allow me to have high-Q JPEGs at full res embedded in the RAW, and would zoom into them in review mode. Of course, Canon let me down with their stupidity.

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John

 

[kyjy]

Until someone actually answers the question instead of just being a wise guy.

Question: why no pop-up flash?
Answer: buy a 430EX/580EX

Geez, can you read English?

Canon decided to save a couple of bucks instead of giving you the choice. The presence of a pop-up flash does not compel you to use it - ever.

I would happily pay a little extra and live with a bigger viewfinder hump to have the choice. When I take my camera along on a night out with friends, I don't want the hassle of an external flash, just to take some happy snaps. Pop-up flash is more than good enough for that.

--k

 

[MM1]

...no AF assist. I bet uncle Maeda is now preparing an explanation that the 270EX flash could not accomodate the AF assist as the AF assist was very big.

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Cheers,
Martin

 

[Michael_J]

For those who want fill flash to "save" the day for that one shot a year.
For those who don't want to "lug" around a 13.2 oz 580.

Canon has heard you wail.
And has hopes of pacifying you with a new cheap, small 270EX flash.

So go suckle on the new 270EX.

This is a NON-POP UP flash forum!!!!!

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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.

 

[Michael_J]

Sometimes I think this forum is a little harsh on the uninformed
consumers of highend gear; but, I must admit to having LOLes myself.

I would have laughed, perhaps, if the OP came across as a
know-it-all. The OP, however, just asked a question about an
assumption he made. The reactions of most of the people replying
here are very immature, and show deep-rooted insecurity issues.

I would be more likely to take you seriously, if you weren't wearing a monkey mask, while calling others immature. :-D

It
is really sad if laughing at the OP in this case makes you feel good
about yourself.

Laughing make you feel good - you should try it.

It is quite normal to make a few assumptions when
you purchase something, especially something that looks like
something else you are already familiar with.

When I bought my 20D, after having a 10D, I assumed that the 20D or
any future Canon would allow me to have high-Q JPEGs at full res
embedded in the RAW, and would zoom into them in review mode. Of
course, Canon let me down with their stupidity.

The monkey mask calling Canon stupid - surely you see some humor in that?

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John

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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.

 

[Michael_J]

Shame on me for not recognizing your humor. My bad.

1. Touche
2. There is actually humor in my first statement if you read it
again. Some will recognize it. Many may not find it funny, and in
fairness is was not meant to be haha funny.
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[Michael_J]

Until someone actually answers the question instead of just being a
wise guy.

The question has been answered many, many times. Some don't like the answer and continue to ask.

Question: why no pop-up flash?
Answer: buy a 430EX/580EX

Geez, can you read English?

Yes I can - what does "Geez" mean? Is it English? \;-D

Canon decided to save a couple of bucks instead of giving you the
choice.

Wait... what was THAT?! Could it be an ANSWER to the question?? Well that's the end of that! The question has been answered, so now I guess it will NEVER be asked again!! Hallelujah!!

The presence of a pop-up flash does not compel you to use
it - ever.

I would happily pay a little extra and live with a bigger viewfinder
hump to have the choice.

You are going to continue to be unhappy for a while longer.

When I take my camera along on a night out
with friends, I don't want the hassle of an external flash, just to
take some happy snaps.

"Happy snaps?!" HA! HA! HA! - you made me laugh! Thanks!

"Happy snaps" are for P&S's - use the right tool for the job!!! Why are you "lugging" around a clunky DSLR while trying to have fun with your friends?

Pop-up flash is more than good enough for
that.

True, luckily all P&S have built-in flashes for just such occasions.

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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.

 

[John Motts]

The monkey mask calling Canon stupid - surely you see some humor in
that?

I think you're the one who missed the humour there.

Try being a little less obnoxious and you might spot the occasional subtlety.

 

[bronxbombers]

Just bought a 5D Mark2 via the mail. I was surised to see it did not
have a built in flash.

Do I not need it with this new camera?

My olf 30D had the built in flash.

-Rookie.

probably in part because of all those who are more concerned about looking like 'real' pros than anything else and asking canon not to put one on it.

Just like back in the day MSDOS clone users laughed at computers that had semi-true color and stereo audio and stuff as 'non-professional junk toys' despite being more powerful machines.

and maybe canon thinks they can get away it at this level and push their large external flashes

I know the pop-up is not great for serious flash work, but I don't at all like bothering with carrying around a separate flash, I mostly shoot anything important natural light aside from macro or a tiny bit of fill here and there, but it is nice to have when the off-chance occasion where a little fill would help arises, or for some macro work or some basic snapshot type photos. But many users go crazy when the thought of daring to put one in a 5 series gets brought up....

I certainly wish it were there, but not end of the world.

I ended up getting a SunPack RD2000, but it is still bulkier and heavier than a built-in, but about as small as you can get for external (and it does tilt too).

 

[Michael_J]

The monkey mask calling Canon stupid - surely you see some humor in
that?

I think you're the one who missed the humour there.

Try being a little less obnoxious and you might spot the occasional
subtlety.

Perhaps if I view the post through a monkey mask , all will become clear.
Or perhaps you should don the MM while you read here?

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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.

 

[bronxbombers]

and generally acted rude and arrogant and ridiculous towards the OP?
just a thought.....

No posts since the initial one.. unless he is truly sitting around
shouting 'FLASH ACTIVATE' as I suggested.. lol

 

[bronxbombers]

Well, I am not gonna attempt to be funny or clever (after seeing so
many fail miserably).
If your question is a serious question, canon states that the large
pentaprism needed for the full frame does not leave much room for a
pop up flash. that is at least part of their explanation. even when
I had the original rebel, I tried to stay away from on board flash.

and yet my old FILM FF Rebel2000 which is smaller than my 50D, had a pop-up flash....

 

[Michael_J]

or maybe he was just a troll?

and generally acted rude and arrogant and ridiculous towards the OP?

Lighten up BB, ya gotta laugh once in a while. Spending your whole life as a spriss will sour every one around you.

just a thought.....

Here's another thought.... your post below could be taken as arrogant - it's all in the way people read (and what they read into) things.

No posts since the initial one.. unless he is truly sitting around
shouting 'FLASH ACTIVATE' as I suggested.. lol

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