Why I returned the S2 and kept the Pro1

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Well, today I returned the S2 I had been testing over the weekend. (returned it to Circuit City with no restocking fee charged :-)

Here are the reasons that drove me to chose the Pro1 over the S2...

1.) Image Quality - Pro1 has much less noise when images are viewed at 100%. This is extremely important for both cropping and printing of larger images. If you have a lot of noise (I don't care what anyone says) it is definiately not good when you want to crop or make 8x10 or larger prints.

2.) External Flash Hotshoe - I have the 420ex for my Pro1 and I can't tell you how much of a difference this makes for indoor photography. The instantly noticable benefit is no more redeye (which I had tons of in my test shots with the S2). You can also bounce the flash which eliminates people from having flash reflections on their skin and face. In addition, the lighting has much better (more natural) coverage and there are no harsh shadows behind the subject like the S2 produced. The only trade-off here is weight as the Pro1 with 420ex weighs quite a bit in comparison to the relatively light S2.

3.) 8 Megapixels - While there is always a lot of discussion about why people really need 8 megapixels, the simple fact is that most pictures need cropping. Really think about the percentage of pictures you normally crop once you get them onto your computrer. When you took them, they looked well composed on the LCD but now that you see them on your larger computer monitor you notice something on one of the edges you really wish wasn't in the picture. This especially happens with outdoor/landscape shots where you aren't focused on one thing in particular. It could also happen indoors too... What if you really like the way your sister looks in a particular shot that you took with your uncle Charlie who your whole family hates. Just crop him out of the picture :-)

4.) Lens Quality (28mm wide) - This is something that can only be appreciated when you do a side by side comparison of the S2 and the Pro1. You really realize how much of the picture you are losing with the 36mm lens of the S2. Having the 28mm lens is priceless for those indoor shots of the entire family. With the S2 you would have to knock down a wall so you could back up far enough to get everyone into the picture.

And the clinching reason for why I returned the S2...

5.) Price - The Pro1 is at an excellent price point right now where the camera you are getting far exceeds it's cost. The S2 is so hyped up right now that you are paying nearly as much for an S2 and you can for a Pro1 (maybe $100 less for the S2 depending on where you live). In 6 months, the hype around the S2 will be over and I'm sure the price will have dropped at least $100 in some places by the end of the year.

That will be the perfect time to buy an S2 to put along side your Pro1 as the perfect compliment.

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Brandon
Pro1
 
Here are the reasons that drove me to chose the Pro1 over the S2...
And the clinching reason for why I returned the S2...
5.) Price - The Pro1 is at an excellent price point right now
where the camera you are getting far exceeds it's cost. The S2 is
so hyped up right now that you are paying nearly as much for an S2
and you can for a Pro1 (maybe $100 less for the S2 depending on
where you live). In 6 months, the hype around the S2 will be over
and I'm sure the price will have dropped at least $100 in some
places by the end of the year.

That will be the perfect time to buy an S2 to put along side your
Pro1 as the perfect compliment.

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Brandon
Pro1
Good Brandon, glad you decided on what works for you.

But to each his own preference, as for price, well $355.14 is not bad for the brand new S2 I purchased last week.

I too am intriqued by the Pro1, but for now I can wait to add it to the fold, maybe even wait for its replacement.
Enjoy your new camera, and please do post some pictures.

Good Day,
Steven
 
Thanks Steven. I agree that $355 for an S2 is an unbeatable price right now. I can just imagine that by the end of this year if the retail price has dropped 100 dollars and you find a similar deal, potentially you could even get one for as cheap as $250 if you keep your eyes open. That is what I am hoping for as I would really like to add the S2 to my collection as I think it complements the Pro1 well with it's zoom, movies, and speed.

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Brandon
Pro1
 
great post, bberg.

My thoguht is the S2 is a better deal than the Pro1 simply because it is more versatile, and it compliments a DSLR better down the road. The Pro 1 wants to be a DSLR, but really isn't, whereas the S2 is it's own "thing".
 
Congratulations on your decision. It is well reasoned and I respect your thinking behind it! I look forward to seeing your photos and know you will enjoy the Pro 1.

As an aside, you took a similar route as me, but I started at the other end. After owning two great, but simple, point and shoot digital cameras (which I gave away), I traded in my 35 mm SLR for a Nikon 5400, which I love (though it is still so slow by today's standards). I wanted the 28mm/35mm equiv. lens, but found I sorely missed a telephoto reach. Fortunately, I have the best of both worlds and have two fine digital cameras.

My little SB 30 flash for my Nikon, which can act as a slave flash, works well enough with my S2. I can bounce with it by either holding it in my hand or setting it up on a tripod with a small adapter I bought. Since I really don't care much for inside photography other than family snapshots, a dedicated external flash is not significant for me.

btw, my second digital camera was the FujiFilm FinePix 2400. It took great pix and hardly had any features. It cost $499 at Circuit City when I bought it. We've come a long way, baby, haven't we?!

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gail ~ http://www.pbase.com/gailb
My digital camera BLOGs: Canon S2 IS & A510, Panasonic FZ3, Nikon 5400
http://www.digicamhelp.com/digital-camera-blogs/index.htm
 
I don't understand your logic that an S2 is a better complement to a DSLR than a Pro 1. If you must use a digicam, you want as close to a DSLR as you can get -- and that's a Pro 1.

I own a 10D and a Pro 1 and can tell you that the Pro 1 is the perfect backup camera if you're at all concerned with image quality. The S2's small file size, noisey images and purple fringing make it take a serious back seat to the Pro 1.

Cheers,
Scott

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Hi Montana,

To me, the Pro1 is the closest thing to a DSLR without spending thousands of dollars and lugging around a lot of equipment (both of which I don't want to do).

I agree that the S2 is it's own "thing" which is probably why I will stilll pick one up later this year when it gets to be even more of a bargin.

For now, the Pro1 was a bargin for me with the picture quality it provides.

Believe me, it was a very tough decision as I am one who usually wants the latest technology which is something the S2 provides.

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Brandon
Pro1
 
Thanks Gail!

It sounds like you also have a nice collection of cameras. I also have an SD300 which I use in situations where I can't have a visable camera on me.
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Brandon
Pro1
 
S2 is a c r a p camera. I've seen pictures with a lot of noise and a lot of chromatic aberration. S2 images at full zoom not resized look so bad even at iso100.
 
S2 is a c r a p camera. I've seen pictures with a lot of noise
and a lot of chromatic aberration. S2 images at full zoom not
resized look so bad even at iso100.
My, my opinionated aren't we.
I have seen a lot of pictures otherwise.

Good Day,
Steven
 
Brandon, I've lost all respect for you after going against my better judgement, seeing how I went with an S2....joking of course;)

All kidding aside, I think we all appreciate the comparisons and feedback you have shared from you brief testdrive of both cameras. I'm sure it will be a bit of a relief to be able to focus more on taking pictures and less on comparing cameras. Hopefully all of the feedback will help you enjoy your Pro1 and get the most you can out of its features.

I look forward to seeing more pics as you get grow into the pro1. Congrats on your new cam and take everyones feedback with a grain of salt.
TK
Waiting (on crutches) for S2 and Raynox Pro6600 (25-420 IS)
 
Yes, I am seen a lot of good pictures from the S2 as well. I think you really have to stick to ISO 50 with the S2 especially at full zoom. This isn't usually a problem because most of the pictures with that kind of zoom will be taken outdoors during the daytime.

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Brandon
Pro1
 
Hi TK,

It really was a tough choice for me and at one point I was considering keeping the S2.

Honestly I would really like to keep both but at this point I can't afford it. As I said earlier, once the S2 starts to drop in price, then I might consider picking one up to accompany my Pro1.

Don't worry, you will definiately start seeing some more pics from me soon. If you can't wait, here is a post I made last week with some Pro1 super macro action:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=13915255

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Brandon
Pro1
 
I'm glad it came down to a win-win decision. Man, the Pro1 is really discounted from it original price. I think the 8MP cams have dropped so much because there price has been undercut by the low end dSLR's. Didn't think I would ever see $900-$1000 cams drop so quickly to $500.

I thought the flower macros from both cams were great. In fact, the macros seem to be the strongest suit of the S2(odd given so much zoom/glass), while the Pro1 seems like a stronger overal performer.

I am very tempted by the Pentax*ds. It would be great to see really clean looking images at full res even up to ISO 800, but couldn't justify the outlay with all of the nature/birding I am hoping to do this summer.
Also, cool that CC was willing to let you try both out.
TK
 
Well, the Pro 1 has the least noise of any non-DSLR (one could make an argument for the G6 and the Oly 8080, too -- but they are all in the same ballpark). Also, the vignetting is only occassional and certainly doesn't crop up enough to merit it as a significant problem. Also, keep in mind there are Canon L lenses that exhibit vignetting under the right conditions. I guess in that sense, yes, it is a "pro" feature;)

Cheers,
Scott

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http://www.wanderlost.com
 
hey TK are you looking at telephoto lenses for the S2? Im look at the optional Canon 1.5x, Tcon 17 1.7x and the Rayonox(sp?)2.2x.

I hear the Tcon has the best quality.
 
2.) External Flash Hotshoe - I have the 420ex for my Pro1 and I
can't tell you how much of a difference this makes for indoor
photography. The instantly noticable benefit is no more redeye
(which I had tons of in my test shots with the S2). You can also
bounce the flash which eliminates people from having flash
reflections on their skin and face. In addition, the lighting has
much better (more natural) coverage and there are no harsh shadows
behind the subject like the S2 produced.....
This is THE reason why I didn't purchase an S2. Not including a hot shoe was unfortunate and a real marketing error for this camera. If nothing else, it precluded users from purchasing Canon flashes which many would have done. Canon's omission of the hot shoe on the S2 was a minor marketing blunder. It should have had it.

Jim
 
The Pro 1 handles noise better than the F10 at their respective lowest ISO settings. This may be because the Pro 1's lowest setting is 50, while the F10's is 80.

I do agree that the F10 is remarkable at higher ISOs, and am considering getting one to carry around as my every day camera.

--Scott

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http://www.wanderlost.com
 

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