What lenses pixel shift ?

[James Stirling]

While it is a feature I am interested in it is not on any of my m43 cameras.

(You can get a used E-M5.2 for a song and play around with HighRes, test lenses, get your HighRes workflow ironed out, while waiting for the upcoming body release.)

I am trying { in vain } to cut down my cameras not add to them. I had intended this year to get down to just two systems m43 + either Sony or Nikon . Despite all the hullabaloo the Z7 ticks all the boxes for me and have a load of F mount lenses. Unfortunately I rather like my Sony kit . If Olympus can work some jiggery pokery and get the pixel shift to be much faster and usable for a much wider range of subjects it could do just about it all for me

However, on the threads pondering what Olympus has up its sleeve for the rumoured high end camera. Motivated with wishful thinking and selfishness I have my hopes firmly set on a much faster implementation of the pixel shift feature. Which for me could be a real game changer

So assuming this is firstly possible and will indeed be in the camera. What lenses are "good enough" to take full advantage of pixel shift for high res images . I suspect that few of my current m43 lenses will be up to the job

20mm F/1.7

25mm F/1.4

60mm F/2.8 macro

12-35mm F/2.8 { mk I}

25-100mm F/2.8 { mk I}

100-300mm { mk I}

So if you were building a lens kit with pixel shift in mind { mainly at the landscape / macro end} what would you go for ?

… 4/3 mount lenses, the SHG lenses (and some HG lenses) in particular. These can be had for a song these days and are optical marvels, in my humble opinion.

I have the 7-14/f4 and 14-35/f2 which currently can be had for around $1200 US (used) for the combo.

I refer to the SHG lenses as my "better than full-frame" lenses (uh oh, did I just say a bad word) when used with the Olympus HighRes Shot modus. :-D

Good luck.

Cheers.

I agree absolutely that the SHG lenses are excellent but rather critically from my perspective they remove a central advantage or m43 , namely size and weight . Your 7-14mm F/4 weighs 40% more than my Sony 12-24mm F/4. The 14-35mm F/2 is both longer and heavier than my Sony 24-104mm .

In m43 terms the 12-35mm F/2 weighs roughly the same as my Panasonic 12-35mm F/2.8 + 35-100mm F/2.8 + Olympus 60mm macro + my 20mm F/1.7 added together { my m43 kit is about 1/2 and oz heavier }.

 

[PlumShots]

While it is a feature I am interested in it is not on any of my m43 cameras.

(You can get a used E-M5.2 for a song and play around with HighRes, test lenses, get your HighRes workflow ironed out, while waiting for the upcoming body release.)

I am trying { in vain } to cut down my cameras not add to them.

Me too. :-D

I had intended this year to get down to just two systems m43 + either Sony or Nikon . Despite all the hullabaloo the Z7 ticks all the boxes for me and have a load of F mount lenses. Unfortunately I rather like my Sony kit . If Olympus can work some jiggery pokery and get the pixel shift to be much faster and usable for a much wider range of subjects it could do just about it all for me

I'm with you on this one.

I started my transition/consolidation based upon my initial test of a pre-release E-M1.2 late 2016 after using HighRes on the E-M5.2 (which I just sold today).

However, on the threads pondering what Olympus has up its sleeve for the rumoured high end camera. Motivated with wishful thinking and selfishness I have my hopes firmly set on a much faster implementation of the pixel shift feature. Which for me could be a real game changer

So assuming this is firstly possible and will indeed be in the camera. What lenses are "good enough" to take full advantage of pixel shift for high res images . I suspect that few of my current m43 lenses will be up to the job

20mm F/1.7

25mm F/1.4

60mm F/2.8 macro

12-35mm F/2.8 { mk I}

25-100mm F/2.8 { mk I}

100-300mm { mk I}

So if you were building a lens kit with pixel shift in mind { mainly at the landscape / macro end} what would you go for ?

… 4/3 mount lenses, the SHG lenses (and some HG lenses) in particular. These can be had for a song these days and are optical marvels, in my humble opinion.

I have the 7-14/f4 and 14-35/f2 which currently can be had for around $1200 US (used) for the combo.

I refer to the SHG lenses as my "better than full-frame" lenses (uh oh, did I just say a bad word) when used with the Olympus HighRes Shot modus. :-D

Good luck.

Cheers.

I agree absolutely that the SHG lenses are excellent but rather critically from my perspective they remove a central advantage or m43 , namely size and weight . Your 7-14mm F/4 weighs 40% more than my Sony 12-24mm F/4. The 14-35mm F/2 is both longer and heavier than my Sony 24-104mm .

Yes, I was kinda poking fun at the total light mantra that has been beaten to death in this forum.

So the 7-14/4 weighs 40% more but gathers 100% more light (in HighRes modus) than the Sony (or any current) full frame making the Olympus a veritable paperweight combo relatively speaking. :-D

I purchased my 4-SHG + 1-HG lenses used at bargain prices, after selling my D800e and D750, due in part to the E-M1.2 and also in anticipation of the upcoming E-M1X (my new "better than full-frame" kit with similar weight but much less cost for studio/real estate/short event/portraiture gigs).

I have a stable of m4/3 lenses for the same reasons you stated, so if the E-M1X pans out then I can have the best of both worlds (image quality/size), figuratively and literally.

In m43 terms the 12-35mm F/2 weighs roughly the same as my Panasonic 12-35mm F/2.8 + 35-100mm F/2.8 + Olympus 60mm macro + my 20mm F/1.7 added together { my m43 kit is about 1/2 and oz heavier }.

Yes, I agree. But oh, the rendering of the 14-35/f2 and other SHG lenses...in the minority I know, but I am hoping for m43 SHG lenses with IBIS...fingers crossed.

Cheers.

 

[James Stirling]

While it is a feature I am interested in it is not on any of my m43 cameras.

(You can get a used E-M5.2 for a song and play around with HighRes, test lenses, get your HighRes workflow ironed out, while waiting for the upcoming body release.)

I am trying { in vain } to cut down my cameras not add to them.

Me too. :-D

It is a curse this addiction we suffer from I will try again in 2019 instead of "one day at a time" it will be get rid of "one bit of kit at a time "

I had intended this year to get down to just two systems m43 + either Sony or Nikon . Despite all the hullabaloo the Z7 ticks all the boxes for me and have a load of F mount lenses. Unfortunately I rather like my Sony kit . If Olympus can work some jiggery pokery and get the pixel shift to be much faster and usable for a much wider range of subjects it could do just about it all for me

I'm with you on this one.

I started my transition/consolidation based upon my initial test of a pre-release E-M1.2 late 2016 after using HighRes on the E-M5.2 (which I just sold today).

However, on the threads pondering what Olympus has up its sleeve for the rumoured high end camera. Motivated with wishful thinking and selfishness I have my hopes firmly set on a much faster implementation of the pixel shift feature. Which for me could be a real game changer

So assuming this is firstly possible and will indeed be in the camera. What lenses are "good enough" to take full advantage of pixel shift for high res images . I suspect that few of my current m43 lenses will be up to the job

20mm F/1.7

25mm F/1.4

60mm F/2.8 macro

12-35mm F/2.8 { mk I}

25-100mm F/2.8 { mk I}

100-300mm { mk I}

So if you were building a lens kit with pixel shift in mind { mainly at the landscape / macro end} what would you go for ?

… 4/3 mount lenses, the SHG lenses (and some HG lenses) in particular. These can be had for a song these days and are optical marvels, in my humble opinion.

I have the 7-14/f4 and 14-35/f2 which currently can be had for around $1200 US (used) for the combo.

I refer to the SHG lenses as my "better than full-frame" lenses (uh oh, did I just say a bad word) when used with the Olympus HighRes Shot modus. :-D

Good luck.

Cheers.

I agree absolutely that the SHG lenses are excellent but rather critically from my perspective they remove a central advantage or m43 , namely size and weight . Your 7-14mm F/4 weighs 40% more than my Sony 12-24mm F/4. The 14-35mm F/2 is both longer and heavier than my Sony 24-104mm .

Yes, I was kinda poking fun at the total light mantra that has been beaten to death in this forum.

So the 7-14/4 weighs 40% more but gathers 100% more light (in HighRes modus) than the Sony (or any current) full frame making the Olympus a veritable paperweight combo relatively speaking. :-D

Sony also have a pixel shift mode though it is not as dramatic a gain , but then on 42mp cameras it does not need to be .

I purchased my 4-SHG + 1-HG lenses used at bargain prices, after selling my D800e and D750, due in part to the E-M1.2 and also in anticipation of the upcoming E-M1X (my new "better than full-frame" kit with similar weight but much less cost for studio/real estate/short event/portraiture gigs).

I have a stable of m4/3 lenses for the same reasons you stated, so if the E-M1X pans out then I can have the best of both worlds (image quality/size), figuratively and literally.

In m43 terms the 12-35mm F/2 weighs roughly the same as my Panasonic 12-35mm F/2.8 + 35-100mm F/2.8 + Olympus 60mm macro + my 20mm F/1.7 added together { my m43 kit is about 1/2 and oz heavier }.

Yes, I agree. But oh, the rendering of the 14-35/f2 and other SHG lenses...in the minority I know, but I am hoping for m43 SHG lenses with IBIS...fingers crossed.

Cheers.

As I say they are superb lenses no doubt, my only issue is the weight .

 

[Badwater]

I was under the auspice that pixel shift was done by the camera. And any lens attached should work. But that's for Panasonic Lumix cameras. Other cameras may have limitations on specific lenses.

 

[James Stirling]

I was under the auspice that pixel shift was done by the camera. And any lens attached should work. But that's for Panasonic Lumix cameras. Other cameras may have limitations on specific lenses.

I think every lens gives you a gain but to get the best from the process you need very good performing lenses

 

[JakeJY]

I was under the auspice that pixel shift was done by the camera. And any lens attached should work. But that's for Panasonic Lumix cameras. Other cameras may have limitations on specific lenses.

It's not about whether it works, but whether you get any additional advantage. To use an extreme example, the 15mm f/8 body cap lens is the worst lens DXO tested (resolving an equivalent of 3MP, no matter if you select a 12MP or 20MP body). Even if the sensor does a true 80MP picture, the lens limits the resolution that can be achieved.

 

[Jouko]

I'd say every lens get's more detail out from the scene than just one shot.

But.

My results got much better after using a good tripod and a cable release - and setting a 4 sec delay for the high res shot.

Also, for landscapes, if there is even a hint of wind... That can ruin the shot.

But 2.

The better the lens the better the results. I have got the best shots through Ft Zuiko 12-60 @12mm and around 25mm, not that good @60mm. That's for landscapes...

Cheers!


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[RobPNth]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

 

[JaKing]

I was under the auspice that pixel shift was done by the camera. And any lens attached should work. But that's for Panasonic Lumix cameras. Other cameras may have limitations on specific lenses.

I think every lens gives you a gain but to get the best from the process you need very good performing lenses

I reckon you're right, Jim.

However, wouldn't that proviso apply to every photograph?

 

[James Stirling]

I was under the auspice that pixel shift was done by the camera. And any lens attached should work. But that's for Panasonic Lumix cameras. Other cameras may have limitations on specific lenses.

I think every lens gives you a gain but to get the best from the process you need very good performing lenses

I reckon you're right, Jim.

However, wouldn't that proviso apply to every photograph?

True John but I figure if looking for this feature in particular you might as well squeeze out the last drop

 

[James Stirling]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

I was lamenting getting rid of that lens in another thread Rob :-(

 

[James Stirling]

I'd say every lens get's more detail out from the scene than just one shot.

But.

My results got much better after using a good tripod and a cable release - and setting a 4 sec delay for the high res shot.

Also, for landscapes, if there is even a hint of wind... That can ruin the shot.

But 2.

The better the lens the better the results. I have got the best shots through Ft Zuiko 12-60 @12mm and around 25mm, not that good @60mm. That's for landscapes...

Cheers!

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I am a tripod and slow mo shooter anyway so that part of it will not be an issue . We do have a fair bit of weather here and you need to make an effort not to have some kind of moving water in the scene

 

[ahaslett]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

I was lamenting getting rid of that lens in another thread Rob :-(

LCE have one in Norwich for £130.

:-D

 

[Morpho Hunter]

Olympus OM-D EM-5 II camera - 40mp images!

Included here are full-sized, sensor-shift high resolution shots taken with my new Olympus OM-D E-M5 mark II camera and 60mm f2.8 macro lens. The camera was mounted on a copystand, the lens manually focussed, and illumination was provided by fluorescent ringlight. I could have improved on these...

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(They're not perfect .. should really had used focus stacking .. especially for the butterfly .. and side-lighting for the fossils)

 

[James Stirling]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

I was lamenting getting rid of that lens in another thread Rob :-(

LCE have one in Norwich for £130.

:-D

Andrew, That is a great price for a great lens , I failed miserably in 2018 paring my gear down . I am getting a Z7 to allow for decent performance of my F-mount glass I am waiting till after Christmas though I would really like to cut down to one FF system and one m43 ideally covering complimentary focal lengths

. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at despite the poor { for my ham sized hands } ergonomics. I am enjoying my Sony gear and do not really want to part with it . i shall ruminate on it over the Christmas and New Year holidays . Hopefully coming to a decision of course then Panasonic may through a spanner in the works. After many years I financially agree with my wife I have too much gear !

 

[ahaslett]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

I was lamenting getting rid of that lens in another thread Rob :-(

LCE have one in Norwich for £130.

:-D

Andrew, That is a great price for a great lens , I failed miserably in 2018 paring my gear down . I am getting a Z7 to allow for decent performance of my F-mount glass I am waiting till after Christmas though I would really like to cut down to one FF system and one m43 ideally covering complimentary focal lengths

. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at despite the poor { for my ham sized hands } ergonomics. I am enjoying my Sony gear and do not really want to part with it . i shall ruminate on it over the Christmas and New Year holidays . Hopefully coming to a decision of course then Panasonic may through a spanner in the works. After many years I financially agree with my wife I have too much gear !

I let my wife buy more shelves. Works for both of us.

Andrew

 

[James Stirling]

4/3 50mm F2 macro

I was lamenting getting rid of that lens in another thread Rob :-(

LCE have one in Norwich for £130.

:-D

Andrew, That is a great price for a great lens , I failed miserably in 2018 paring my gear down . I am getting a Z7 to allow for decent performance of my F-mount glass I am waiting till after Christmas though I would really like to cut down to one FF system and one m43 ideally covering complimentary focal lengths

. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at despite the poor { for my ham sized hands } ergonomics. I am enjoying my Sony gear and do not really want to part with it . i shall ruminate on it over the Christmas and New Year holidays . Hopefully coming to a decision of course then Panasonic may through a spanner in the works. After many years I financially agree with my wife I have too much gear !

I let my wife buy more shelves. Works for both of us.

Andrew

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[James Stirling]

https://www.normanday.net/p362961329

(They're not perfect .. should really had used focus stacking .. especially for the butterfly .. and side-lighting for the fossils)

Thank you for that it is a great feature within its current niche if they can speed it up significantly it would be a true game changer.

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[JaKing]

https://www.normanday.net/p362961329

(They're not perfect .. should really had used focus stacking .. especially for the butterfly .. and side-lighting for the fossils)

Norman, some lovely shots there! Well worth the looking.

Thank you for that it is a great feature within its current niche if they can speed it up significantly it would be a true game changer.

Jim, the E-M1 MkII sped the process up about four fold, IIRC (not a given ATM , you know why). It will be interesting to see whatever's coming next year.

 

[James Stirling]

https://www.normanday.net/p362961329

(They're not perfect .. should really had used focus stacking .. especially for the butterfly .. and side-lighting for the fossils)

Norman, some lovely shots there! Well worth the looking.

Thank you for that it is a great feature within its current niche if they can speed it up significantly it would be a true game changer.

Jim, the E-M1 MkII sped the process up about four fold, IIRC (not a given ATM , you know why). It will be interesting to see whatever's coming next year.

John, Still way too slow for most of the landscapes where wind , weather , vegetation and water all move I have seen some stunning shots of more static scenes and for a lot of studio type macro it is excellent . If they can get it to usable speeds { I will not be shooting BIF or sports with it }. It could be a replacement for other gear I own. Not long to we find out .

Panasonic are apparently bringing a 150mp pixel shift mode to their upcoming FF. So far the Pentax and Sony implementation of pixel shift are more about colour fidelity { no moire etc} with only a small gain in crispness . As a bit of a self-confessed Luddite a lot of "features" mean nothing to me but this one has serious potential. The examples above from Morpho are a great example of what it can do in the right situation