Use Case Comparison

[ElhanDobriv]

Bro. You have two Sony A1’s. You don’t need another camera. BTW, an A7RV can shoot low light video, and an S1RII can shoot wildlife.

am not buying an a7r v doesn’t add anything to what i have

Then whats the comparison table for? Total nonsense too btw, in what reality is an A7RV not capable of handheld video?

The A7R V video is line skipped and the stabilisation is terrible

if you call video pressing the video button it certainly does it

These are just subjective reasons to write it off from your imaginary use cases. Clearly you’ve done the same with the S1RII, that table is only useful for you. For others it’s just nonsense.

I don't understand your response.

He has said throughout his first post that he was comparing his gear and his use cases against new choices. The idea was to see if anything serves him better than what he has. It is a useful exercise to do once in a while with new cameras becoming available.

I don't see where he said his analysis or recommendation was universal for everyone here.

To me how he analyzed, the factors he used, etc., was useful so anyone in a similar situation can figure out how to evaluate their choices.

The part where he said:

I leave this here for others to consider against mainly the A7R V as clearly if you need a stacked sensor you just do and there is no match even with the S1R II

That table is highly subjective and not useful for others. Keep up lad.

If you need a stacked sensor you just do is all but subjective

the table are my use case based on my standards and my pockets

someone with no choices doesn’t need the table

Looks to me like your use case is based on your imagination.

You must have nothing else to do if you are still here ranting

Sorry, am I distracting you from all those pro sports events you’ve been booked for?

I don't do sport events

Then what’s this about?

 

[Interceptor121]

Bro. You have two Sony A1’s. You don’t need another camera. BTW, an A7RV can shoot low light video, and an S1RII can shoot wildlife.

am not buying an a7r v doesn’t add anything to what i have

Then whats the comparison table for? Total nonsense too btw, in what reality is an A7RV not capable of handheld video?

The A7R V video is line skipped and the stabilisation is terrible

if you call video pressing the video button it certainly does it

These are just subjective reasons to write it off from your imaginary use cases. Clearly you’ve done the same with the S1RII, that table is only useful for you. For others it’s just nonsense.

I don't understand your response.

He has said throughout his first post that he was comparing his gear and his use cases against new choices. The idea was to see if anything serves him better than what he has. It is a useful exercise to do once in a while with new cameras becoming available.

I don't see where he said his analysis or recommendation was universal for everyone here.

To me how he analyzed, the factors he used, etc., was useful so anyone in a similar situation can figure out how to evaluate their choices.

The part where he said:

I leave this here for others to consider against mainly the A7R V as clearly if you need a stacked sensor you just do and there is no match even with the S1R II

That table is highly subjective and not useful for others. Keep up lad.

If you need a stacked sensor you just do is all but subjective

the table are my use case based on my standards and my pockets

someone with no choices doesn’t need the table

Looks to me like your use case is based on your imagination.

You must have nothing else to do if you are still here ranting

Sorry, am I distracting you from all those pro sports events you’ve been booked for?

I don't do sport events

Then what’s this about?

Sports and action are things that move fast. A dog running is quicker than a person running in the short

The table is a list of scenarios.

I have to admit this is like washing the head of a donkey, waste of time, soap and water

ignore list add one

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[Interceptor121]

Were you an analyst in your previous job ;-)

If I had multiple cameras for different use cases, and wanted to see where a new camera fits, I would have done exactly what your chart shows!

I am in a slightly different situation. I use m43 primarily. I do a bit of everything for hobby. Covering stage/dance events is a big part of my photography. I have done an analysis noting down what I like in my camera, what I miss, and what a new/FF camera could add to the mix. One big factor for me is budget because this is a hobby.

At the end, does the option under consideration provide enough benefit for the money? So, my analysis looks something like this. I just inserted the S1RII column a couple of days ago as the reviews started coming in.

The chart is incomplete in some respects, but I want to add more when I come close to liking a model (and price).

The S1R will have HEIF I think. The APSC crop I don't remember if lumix does it.

Medium RAW files of Sony are not RAW are actual YCbCr files so nicely compressed non raw images

We need to see how the DR of the camera is when someone does proper measurements

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[georgehudetz]

Bro. You have two Sony A1’s. You don’t need another camera. BTW, an A7RV can shoot low light video, and an S1RII can shoot wildlife.

am not buying an a7r v doesn’t add anything to what i have

Then whats the comparison table for? Total nonsense too btw, in what reality is an A7RV not capable of handheld video?

The A7R V video is line skipped and the stabilisation is terrible

if you call video pressing the video button it certainly does it

These are just subjective reasons to write it off from your imaginary use cases. Clearly you’ve done the same with the S1RII, that table is only useful for you. For others it’s just nonsense.

I don't understand your response.

He has said throughout his first post that he was comparing his gear and his use cases against new choices. The idea was to see if anything serves him better than what he has. It is a useful exercise to do once in a while with new cameras becoming available.

I don't see where he said his analysis or recommendation was universal for everyone here.

To me how he analyzed, the factors he used, etc., was useful so anyone in a similar situation can figure out how to evaluate their choices.

The part where he said:

I leave this here for others to consider against mainly the A7R V as clearly if you need a stacked sensor you just do and there is no match even with the S1R II

That table is highly subjective and not useful for others. Keep up lad.

If you need a stacked sensor you just do is all but subjective

the table are my use case based on my standards and my pockets

someone with no choices doesn’t need the table

Looks to me like your use case is based on your imagination.

You must have nothing else to do if you are still here ranting

Sorry, am I distracting you from all those pro sports events you’ve been booked for?

I don't do sport events

Do you own a camera?

Some nice work there, and thanks for the initial post. I think it's great that somebody with experience across a range of bodies & genres can weigh in here.

I'm not sure why it antagonized some folks, but oh well.

BTW, great shot of that (Red Tail?) Hawk below. These are basically impossible to get with the OG S1R (at least for me). The fact that you put this in your samples tells me that while you may not do "sports," you have done at least some "action" photography.

I'm hopeful that the S1RII could grab a similar shot with a decent hit rate. Not sure how it would look with a 20 ms ES, but in MS it should look just fine.
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[Interceptor121]

the issue with kites is that you shoot almost blind you need to understand when they dive. I track with the camera and then when I see they are moving I almost go ahead of the camera let alone EVF....

I have managed to shoot swallows and else tracking

The issue is when the camera has a slow burst rate and the EVF is lagging it is very hard to go after certain subjects. Eventually you get the shots however your success rate is lower

I still get the shots with my contrast detect GH5 at the time so clearly all can be done it is just much harder

Other subjects that track easily are no problem with any camera really but sometimes if the EVF does not refresh at 120 Hz you are lagging a lot and if you get a blackout it does get hard

On this nothing beats the A1 hence I wrote action and sport plus birds better have a stacked sensor but that does not mean you will not eventually get the shot...

The S1R II is a very interesting camera if you do not shoot such high speed erratic subject something that moves fast but constant speed is not difficult to shoot at all

My interest in the S1R II comes from some very interesting optics that panasonic does the 14-28 and 20-60 focus very very close this is valuable for underwater photography where I need a 12" special dome for splits with the 14-24 I could use the same dome I use diving. The macro lens is really small that is very convenient when you shoot fungi and do focus stacking.

And of course you can shoot events etc etc the point is that I have loads of emount lenses and 3 bodies. I would like to get rid at least of the A7C II which I originally bought for focus stacking Since then the A1 got a firmware update however meanwhile I bought the tiny lenses for the A7C II and it is really enjoyable to shoot.

I still keep my GH7 as I have the A1 for video but my cupboard is exploding. Maybe I should replace the GH7 with the S1R II as I am sure it will be very good at video except long lens where the MFT lenses are very small. I used to do a lot of tele video during and after lock down but have not done a lot since I have the A1 as it just does not work on the monopod I need a tripod and that is too intrusive and slow to get anything done

 

[georgehudetz]

Interesting! Thanks for the write-up. The first-gen S1R is quite a challenge for BIF etc. I'm sure it can be done but I guess I never wanted to put the work in. And yes, I always thought the AF would work at least "OK" for that kind of work if it didn't have such terrible black-out.

And yes, the small camera/lens combo would be great to have around.

Nice video on the Red Deer. I'm sure the S1RII would do great there. I live in Colorado - near Rocky Mountain National Park - and the mating season for the Elk is something to behold. But I do think about going m43 for that, for the reasons you state, of course.

 

[MyReality]

For me a use case is what I primarily shoot. Photographers have been using far less for years. What do you primarily shoot?

 

[Interceptor121]

For me a use case is what I primarily shoot. Photographers have been using far less for years. What do you primarily shoot?

Look at my gallery i shoot almost anything

and yes I have money check the lenses I have

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