Thoughts from the "Recliner of Infinite Wisdom".

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We need to stop worrying about the survival of the Olympus company's legacy of OMDS, and start thinking about the marketing of the whole m43s idea. There is a LOT of there, there!

The Camera Market is Shrinking? So what? Don't SELL to the camera market!

Great cameras will accrue once the marketplace of ideas truly open to m43s. And maybe some of them will carry the OMD logo.

I recall when 4/3s was announced, the whole world was focused on "We gotta get to FF!" NOTHING could be allowed to short circuit the effort to drive Canon & Nikon into creating consumer grade FF DSLRs. So the general consensus was any goal of less than FF was heresy and bad photography.

APS suffered from that a bit, but 4/3s took the brunt of this bias, I think. If you doubt me, just go back and read some of the flame wars in DPR itself. Much of it reads like the start of a religious war.

Well now, I think we are in a sort of post FF era. We all know that FF cameras don't make anyone better or worse photographer, Nikon is struggling in a manner similar to that of Olympus, and it seems even that bland corporate entity that is Canon, is willing to think of the possibility of trying new things in the face of the Smartphone camera.

m43s can offer a lot to the photographic community. Big cameras and little cameras all have their place in the world. The m43s consortium (whatever that actually is any more), needs to start marketing the IDEA of m43s, position it as an alternative to grandpa's clickety-clackety camera and that big white lens he uses to spy on teen-aged girls with. (use whatever separates the current crop of young people from grandma's Elvis infatuation and grandad's stupid jokes).

I'm a grandfather myself. But I recall what it was like to be 19 and wanting 'be different' just like all of my friends were. m43s could be that difference if handled correctly.

Sell the IDEA of m43s to young people who want to impress their friends. Smartphones are utterly losing their cache as the technology of the hip. We know this by the poor sales performance of the 'flagship phones' and Google kind of refusing to compete with hardware tech.

Photography is relatively easy to talk about, with enough tech buzz words to confuse and confound the uninitiated, and a really impressive looking camera can be set to full auto and anyone can get fairly good results.

What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".

Sorry guys, but this has GOT to be done.

By the way, there is only ONE "Recliner of Infinite Wisdom", and you aren't allowed to sit in it. You will have to make do with something else, Like "the glider of goofy ideas" ;-)

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Sell the IDEA of m43s to young people who want to impress their friends. Smartphones are utterly losing their cache as the technology of the hip. We know this by the poor sales performance of the 'flagship phones' and Google kind of refusing to compete with hardware tech.

Photography is relatively easy to talk about, with enough tech buzz words to confuse and confound the uninitiated, and a really impressive looking camera can be set to full auto and anyone can get fairly good results.

What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".
You are right, but, you know, this is not the place to make this suggestion...Just take a look at the editorial board of DPR to get an idea of why not....


Sorry guys, but this has GOT to be done.
Yes, yes, it does. But how, is the question....

-J
 
Sell the IDEA of m43s to young people who want to impress their friends. Smartphones are utterly losing their cache as the technology of the hip. We know this by the poor sales performance of the 'flagship phones' and Google kind of refusing to compete with hardware tech.

Photography is relatively easy to talk about, with enough tech buzz words to confuse and confound the uninitiated, and a really impressive looking camera can be set to full auto and anyone can get fairly good results.

What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".
You are right, but, you know, this is not the place to make this suggestion...Just take a look at the editorial board of DPR to get an idea of why not....

https://www.dpreview.com/about
I bet every one of them smokes a pipe and believes that music died when Thelonius Monk died.

But the idea of survival is not unknown to them. They know they are in TWO dying industries, not one. Journalism, and Photography. The thought of unemployment can do wonders in adjusting one's beliefs.

Besides, this isn't going to be driven by DPR, they are "Old Think"! I'm saying step outside the old boundaries and market to new boundaries.

Sorry guys, but this has GOT to be done.
Yes, yes, it does. But how, is the question....

-J
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I'm no genius, but I play one on the internet.
 
...................Sell the IDEA of m43s to young people who want to impress their friends. Smartphones are utterly losing their cache as the technology of the hip. We know this by the poor sales performance of the 'flagship phones' and Google kind of refusing to compete with hardware tech.........................
Is that so? Try to add a bar in below chart, for the 2020 ILC sales. Just don't use a sharpie with a brad tip for that :)

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What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".
The self proclaimed experts are usually the ones getting free use of over-sized camera gear that nobody in their right mind wants to carry all day. As far as M4/3 goes the Influencers/Ambassadors have lost touch with the reality of the possibilities of the idea of M4/3 - that is, small and capable.

For me the "perfection" level came with the Olympus E-P5 plus a variety of Olympus and Panasonic lenses. But hey, I'm no influencer as I would have everybody looking for older smaller M4/3 models.
Sorry guys, but this has GOT to be done.

By the way, there is only ONE "Recliner of Infinite Wisdom", and you aren't allowed to sit in it. You will have to make do with something else, Like "the glider of goofy ideas" ;-)
In my case right now very late Saturday breakfast so I'm sitting on the Wooden Chair of Rational Thinking instead of my usual Wise Slob on the Lounge situation.
 
In my case right now very late Saturday breakfast so I'm sitting on the Wooden Chair of Rational Thinking instead of my usual Wise Slob on the Lounge situation.
I am 5 minutes away from my Saturday breakfast. :-) A bit late, about 8:10 AM here in Japan.
 
What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".
The self proclaimed experts are usually the ones getting free use of over-sized camera gear that nobody in their right mind wants to carry all day. As far as M4/3 goes the Influencers/Ambassadors have lost touch with the reality of the possibilities of the idea of M4/3 - that is, small and capable.

For me the "perfection" level came with the Olympus E-P5 plus a variety of Olympus and Panasonic lenses. But hey, I'm no influencer as I would have everybody looking for older smaller M4/3 models.
Sorry guys, but this has GOT to be done.

By the way, there is only ONE "Recliner of Infinite Wisdom", and you aren't allowed to sit in it. You will have to make do with something else, Like "the glider of goofy ideas" ;-)
In my case right now very late Saturday breakfast so I'm sitting on the Wooden Chair of Rational Thinking instead of my usual Wise Slob on the Lounge situation.
There's no such THING as a "Wooden Chair of Rational Thinking". DUH! If it were rational, it would be cushioned!

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I'm no genius, but I play one on the internet.
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http://glenbarringtonphotos.blogspot.com/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130525321@N05/
 
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Isn’t this what Olympus did back in the days of film with the David Bailey ads?
 
We need to stop worrying about the survival of the Olympus company's legacy of OMDS, and start thinking about the marketing of the whole m43s idea. There is a LOT of there, there!
I don't, if the new company can't make it in the market my em1.2 will still work, and there will be plenty of Em1.3 for sale used if I want to keep using Olympus other wise I'll get another brand.
 
So weary of people with no connection and little understanding of current market interests thinking they know better than (fill in the blank). Your interests are self-serving - and I get that - but ILC camera sells are shrinking - all brands.

I've already observed (in other threads like this) - more people taking pictures than ever before - I'll wager more than ten years ago and more than 20 years ago - why? because they also have a computer that takes pictures with them. It's easy. Apple and Samsung have stepped up to the plate and evolved their photo taking capabilities at a far faster rate than any of the main brands of specialized computers that take pictures.

So what do we do? It's a great question - but a discussion from a bunch of old to older guys and gals is useless - you gotta talk to the next generations of buyers. Their wallets tell us phones are mostly giving them what they want - and the numbers bear that out. And the phone makers are evolving those features far faster - that is - responding to the feedback. What are the main camera makers doing?

Let the issue go, unless you are willing to invest serious energy into UNDERSTANDING what the next generations wish for. Until the camera companies do the same, this trend isn't going to change.

I have a host of gear from many brands and platforms - much of it the best of those platforms - yet I regularly use my phone - as it is the best tool for that photographic job - usable AF - reasonable color balance - usable DOF - plenty of pixels to work with - and it transfers to my computer at the touch of a couple of buttons.
 
My worry is the battery. If the OMs cease production how long will will third party manufacturers keep making batteries for them? My e5 is 10 years old and finding a good battery manufacturer is hit and miss. I have 4, 3of which are rubbish.
 
My worry is the battery. If the OMs cease production how long will will third party manufacturers keep making batteries for them? My e5 is 10 years old and finding a good battery manufacturer is hit and miss. I have 4, 3of which are rubbish.
Yes that can be and will probably be an issue but really not worried about it.
 
....so I've got nuthin'.
 
Just yesterday I saw two young lads using a camera. But not in a way you intend.

It was a small camera and one was filming the other as they hared though the streets of Reggio on their bikes.

The YouTube video is a sector where the next generation already are starting to realize that the iPhone does not cut it for making YouTube content.

They are not interested in still photography with a separate device. Any parent with teenage to young adults will confirm this.

The "Boomer" generation learned to love photography through magazines like Life and the "Colour Supplements" that came with the Sunday Times and the Observer in the UK.

The next generation have Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.

Panasonic have got the message and launched an economic camera biased towards video. The G100 inevitably got a hammering on forums like this one, but Panasonic are moving rightly in that direction.

The future for M43 is for cameras aimed at video content creation.

As for still photography. Well I see this a an increasingly niche sector. The cell phone does and will cover most peoples needs, just like the old "Instamatic" did.

I wonder how viable M43 is after comparing the cost of a Z6 +24-200 and an EM1iii + 12-200. They cost about the same and weigh about the same.

What actual real world advantage does the EM1iii still offer over the Z6?

The only two I can think of are:

1) for very long lenses over 200FF eq, thre is still a good size and weight advantage.

2) IBIS still seems to be marginally ahead of FF in those really dark shooting scenarios.

But on the downside, the M43 sensor has an output that has less PP leeway and in noisier with markedly worse tonal and colour transitions, compared to FF.

I think the still photography sector like it or not is shifting rapidly towards the FF sensor. Panasonic have made it known that this is were they are moving for still photography.

The FF sensor is markedly superior to any cell phone output. It is here where the quality factor can be played to entice new users.

Panasonic have got far more things right with their M43 endeavours. The dinky 2.8 zooms are a good example, compared to the beastly heavy Olympus 2.8 zooms.

Olympus failed because the failed to understand the strengths of the format.
 
One thing that MFT makers could do, is to sponsor the development of better AI software & bundle it with cameras.

The MFT sensor & hence the camera size ( & weight) is capable, with the right software, of competing with most FF cameras, especially when photos are viewed as prints & not viewed as ridiculously enlarged selections on-screen.
 
We need to stop worrying about the survival of the Olympus company's legacy of OMDS, and start thinking about the marketing of the whole m43s idea.
I buy my photo equipment, I don’t work for Olympus or Panasonic, I don’t have any stock options of either brand.

I just use the gear to take pictures as an hobby.

I don’t feel involved in Olympus success or failure.

I am wondering why do you? And why are you pushing me to do the same?
 
Panasonic saw an increase thanks to the S5, with 5.8% sales share according to a report by BCN. So it took a full frame camera to increase their paltry sales share. Oh well!
 
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Olympus failed because the failed to understand the strengths of the format.
Some time ago, Panasonic DID understand the key strength of the format. They created the unique GM cameras and some truly great tiny small lenses :-D

But back then, not enough of us customers did understand Panasonic. And the GM line died. It was too far ahead of it's times. It's a sad story :-(
 
What is needed are social media 'influencers' concentrating on fashion and culture, not photography influencers. Photography influencers are a bunch of old guys with bad teeth, who smell of pipe tobacco, and who use words like "copacetic".

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In 1965 a $19.95 (plus lots and lots and lots extra for film) Polaroid Swinger Model 20 was born, and the promoters picked Barry Manlow to sing the jingle “Meet the Swinger” and America’s sweetheart Ali MacGraw as the social influence me for the new Swinger!

MEET THE SWINGER 1965


Ali MacGraw so influenced my then 85 year old grandfather, Pa Agee, who had a 67 year old wife, Ma Agee to buy each of his wife’s three children’s seven children 3 Swingers in 65, and one Swinger each in 66,67,68, and 69.

He had seven grandchildren, three Benny (16) Jennifer (15) Deana (13) born before 1955, and Jeanie Gail born in 1956, Mike in 1957, me in 1958, and Pam in 1959.

Benny and Mike are dead, Jeanie Gail is estranged, but me and Jennifer and Deana and me and Pam are thick as thieves and still praise Ma Agee so much today, that we decorate the graves of three unnamed babies and Ella Agee, first wife of Pa Agee, who died in childbirth in February 1918, when she was only 34.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/79330637/ella-agee

By the way, that’s Ella’s second and much grander granite tombstone, her smaller, faded marble original and three infants are lined up beside it.

We four cousins all have an interest in genealogy and photography, over fifty years later.

Each one of us still have a Polaroid we took of our Grandfather grinning like a possum with our 17 years younger beautiful second wife he married in December after Ella died in May 1918.

Grandma allowed how Ella was a pretty thing, but she walked sort of like a cow all flat footed, she saw her when she was a girl several times, out with Grandpa.

Grandpa smelled of pipe tobacco, and had a wonderful vocabulary, but he sure liked Ali MacGraw!

TAYLOR’S LAST VIDEO!!!


Now that we have the new face of Olympus, let’s agree to get a hairy legged boy to sing the jingle.

Some claim Taylor Swift heavily relies on auto tune to sing.

So let’s nominate The Weeknd to sing the jingle because all the girls like him soooooo much!

THE WEEKND

Blinded by the Lights


I mean if he can sing at Super Bowl halftime, he should sell cameras, you know?

Oly needs, to think young and old at the same time.

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Humansville is a town in the Missouri Ozarks
 
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One thing that MFT makers could do, is to sponsor the development of better AI software & bundle it with cameras.

The MFT sensor & hence the camera size ( & weight) is capable, with the right software, of competing with most FF cameras, especially when photos are viewed as prints & not viewed as ridiculously enlarged selections on-screen.
I would disagree with this.

I bought an ancient D700 and comparing the output from my EM5, the creamy tonal and colour transitions were evident even on screen, compared to the "gritty" EM5 files. In fact I was quite shocked by the difference of shots taken side by side.

i would agree that the output from M43 is decent and probably much better than film.
 

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