Switching to mirrorless with Z8

[Fullframer]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future

My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts

you would be surprised. I know pros that switch everytime the latest body comes out I also know ones that don't . I switch bodies about every 5 years. I don't want one breaking down in the field.

Every five years is pretty plausible for pro use. I have never had gear fail in the field fortunately. Most "prosumer" gear like the Nikon and Fuji systems are well made. My point was that the photographer contributes way more to the finished image quality than the gear for the most part.

Yea the photographer contributes greatly but the equipment matters too on the finished image One example Go ahead use a base D3500 with slow 5.6 zoom for night time sports Not going to have many keepers Won't have enough ahutter speed to freeze action. The ones you do have to brighten up a lot etc

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[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

What? Sensibility? Perish the thought!

My clients get shots of their failed electronics from an old Kodak DCS 520c mounted on an even older Leica microscope. All of 2 MP, but it shows what is wrong. And in a nice, small, easily emailed file.

Stan

 

[GeoffRG]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future

My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts

you would be surprised. I know pros that switch everytime the latest body comes out I also know ones that don't . I switch bodies about every 5 years. I don't want one breaking down in the field.

Every five years is pretty plausible for pro use. I have never had gear fail in the field fortunately. Most "prosumer" gear like the Nikon and Fuji systems are well made. My point was that the photographer contributes way more to the finished image quality than the gear for the most part.

Yea the photographer contributes greatly but the equipment matters too on the finished image One example Go ahead use a base D3500 with slow 5.6 zoom for night time sports Not going to have many keepers Won't have enough ahutter speed to freeze action. The ones you do have to brighten up a lot etc

Stick a 70-200 f/2.8 0n the D3500 and you'll do better, but that merely illustrates the point right kit matters. So does having the right settings, I too a set of images of a red kite yesterday but, I had the wrong metering mode and the wrong ISO, resulting in an inappropriate shutter speed. I'd been messing around trying to get photographs of a handkerchief tree and then had to go out so the camera didn't get reset. Nothing wrong with the kit but it can only do what the photographer will let it do. The kit was a D5, 70-200 f/2.8 and a TC17 II, more than adequate for the job.

One of the easiest ways to mess up is to be in a hurry.

 

[Fullframer]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future

My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts

you would be surprised. I know pros that switch everytime the latest body comes out I also know ones that don't . I switch bodies about every 5 years. I don't want one breaking down in the field.

Every five years is pretty plausible for pro use. I have never had gear fail in the field fortunately. Most "prosumer" gear like the Nikon and Fuji systems are well made. My point was that the photographer contributes way more to the finished image quality than the gear for the most part.

Yea the photographer contributes greatly but the equipment matters too on the finished image One example Go ahead use a base D3500 with slow 5.6 zoom for night time sports Not going to have many keepers Won't have enough ahutter speed to freeze action. The ones you do have to brighten up a lot etc

Stick a 70-200 f/2.8 0n the D3500 and you'll do better

true, but the D3500 autofocus system isn't the best for fast action and that would be one highly unbalanced nose heavy camera.

, but that merely illustrates the point right kit matters. So does having the right settings,

agreed on the settings!

I too a set of images of a red kite yesterday but, I had the wrong metering mode and the wrong ISO, resulting in an inappropriate shutter speed. I'd been messing around trying to get photographs of a handkerchief tree and then had to go out so the camera didn't get reset. Nothing wrong with the kit but it can only do what the photographer will let it do. The kit was a D5, 70-200 f/2.8 and a TC17 II, more than adequate for the job.

One of the easiest ways to mess up is to be in a hurry.

I hear ya Years ago had a client that wanted to jump Had all the settings correct on my D4 except shutter speed. Perfectly captured but Too slow l, had bad motion blur Total fail on my part They couldn't re jump they were elderly All the other pics in the session were prefect correct settings

 

[AWG_Pics]

No one, literally no one, comes to a Nikon FX SLR site to figure out how to get the most out of their D3500 with a kit lens.

Now, if you want to compare the D850, or D5, or D6, or D4S or D4 or D810 or D800 or the D500 (if you insist on a DX example) then we can have a not-silly comparison discussion.

As I said before: for what I shoot (wildlife, macro, landscape) no ML system can get a shot that I cannot.

So, in summary: to spend $4000 on a Z8, hundreds more on an ugly grip, plus, if I wanted to go all-in on Z, tens of thousands more for new glass is a ridiculous proposition -- for me. As it is for many others.

 

[Fullframer]

No one, literally no one, comes to a Nikon FX SLR site to figure out how to get the most out of their D3500 with a kit lens.

relax, it was an example

Now, if you want to compare the D850, or D5, or D6, or D4S or D4 or D810 or D800 or the D500 (if you insist on a DX example) then we can have a not-silly comparison discussion.

Please don't tell me what I should compare or not I don't tell you

As I said before: for what I shoot (wildlife, macro, landscape) no ML system can get a shot that I cannot.

as I've said before for what I shoot as a paid pro , sports (20 fps vs D6 14fps, while quiet , weddings , ballet and theater where churches won't allow a loud mirror flapping sound, events , large landscapes (Z lenses are sharper than their F mount versions) , taking pics in dim venues EVF much brighter than dim d6 ovf, EVF shows me what sensor is exposing in real time instead of having to take picture on D6 than have to review after in screen , video the mirrorless Z9 is superior to any DSLR I can keep going

So, in summary: to spend $4000 on a Z8, hundreds more on an ugly grip

i agree and that grip doesn't take the enele18 battery that's why I would only buy Z9 which I already have

, plus, if I wanted to go all-in on Z, tens of thousands more for new glass is a ridiculous proposition -- for me. As it is for many others.

for you yes, for many others, you don't know them Plenty of people here have changed to the superior Z system I only did because of my every 5 year upgrade plan and there is no more new F mount stuff. I wanted to get most back from my f mount glass as prices are dropping

 

[AWG_Pics]

No one, literally no one, comes to a Nikon FX SLR site to figure out how to get the most out of their D3500 with a kit lens.

relax, it was an example

A pointless one.

Now, if you want to compare the D850, or D5, or D6, or D4S or D4 or D810 or D800 or the D500 (if you insist on a DX example) then we can have a not-silly comparison discussion.

Please don't tell me what I should compare or not I don't tell you

So, your silliness is as good as everyone else's thoughtful discussion?

As I said before: for what I shoot (wildlife, macro, landscape) no ML system can get a shot that I cannot.

as I've said before for what I shoot as a paid pro , sports (20 fps vs D6 14fps, while quiet , weddings , ballet and theater where churches won't allow a loud mirror flapping sound, events , large landscapes (Z lenses are sharper than their F mount versions) , taking pics in dim venues EVF much brighter than dim d6 ovf, EVF shows me what sensor is exposing in real time instead of having to take picture on D6 than have to review after in screen , video the mirrorless Z9 is superior to any DSLR I can keep going

OK, irrelevant, but OK

So, in summary: to spend $4000 on a Z8, hundreds more on an ugly grip

i agree and that grip doesn't take the enele18 battery that's why I would only buy Z9 which I already have

, plus, if I wanted to go all-in on Z, tens of thousands more for new glass is a ridiculous proposition -- for me. As it is for many others.

for you yes, for many others, you don't know them Plenty of people here have changed to the superior Z system I only did because of my every 5 year upgrade plan and there is no more new F mount stuff. I wanted to get most back from my f mount glass as prices are dropping

Not as many are changing to the essentially identical Z system as Nikon would hope. I hoped the Z8 would give me significantly more than the D850 -- it does not, so I have no reason to change.

 

[Fullframer]

No one, literally no one, comes to a Nikon FX SLR site to figure out how to get the most out of their D3500 with a kit lens.

relax, it was an example

A pointless one.

Reading comprehension 101. A previous poster mentioned it's the photographer, I said it's also the equipment, thus why the D3500 with 5.6 lens comment. But instead, have to make negative comments.

Now, if you want to compare the D850, or D5, or D6, or D4S or D4 or D810 or D800 or the D500 (if you insist on a DX example) then we can have a not-silly comparison discussion.

Please don't tell me what I should compare or not I don't tell you

So, your silliness is as good as everyone else's thoughtful discussion?

A keyboard warrior with a rude comment. No need to insult people.

As I said before: for what I shoot (wildlife, macro, landscape) no ML system can get a shot that I cannot.

as I've said before for what I shoot as a paid pro , sports (20 fps vs D6 14fps, while quiet , weddings , ballet and theater where churches won't allow a loud mirror flapping sound, events , large landscapes (Z lenses are sharper than their F mount versions) , taking pics in dim venues EVF much brighter than dim d6 ovf, EVF shows me what sensor is exposing in real time instead of having to take picture on D6 than have to review after in screen , video the mirrorless Z9 is superior to any DSLR I can keep going

OK, irrelevant, but OK

So I show how the Z8/Z9 is better than a DSLR and it's suddenly irrelevant? Interesting... You can't refute anything I Made in the statement above.

So, in summary: to spend $4000 on a Z8, hundreds more on an ugly grip

i agree and that grip doesn't take the enele18 battery that's why I would only buy Z9 which I already have

, plus, if I wanted to go all-in on Z, tens of thousands more for new glass is a ridiculous proposition -- for me. As it is for many others.

for you yes, for many others, you don't know them Plenty of people here have changed to the superior Z system I only did because of my every 5 year upgrade plan and there is no more new F mount stuff. I wanted to get most back from my f mount glass as prices are dropping

Not as many are changing to the essentially identical Z system as Nikon would hope

. I hoped the Z8 would give me significantly more than the D850 -- it does not, so I have no reason to change.

The old adage, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything. Welcome to my block list. Bye.

 

[ARClark]

I might be more interested in mirrorless if the FTZ II were cheaper, perhaps by the time the Z9 is affordable, used, the FTZ will be more affordable too.

Nikon really needs to make a FTZ AF-D. Even then I still wouldn’t be interested in the Z system, but it might motivate others.

Is that even possible?

 

[T O Shooter]

I might be more interested in mirrorless if the FTZ II were cheaper, perhaps by the time the Z9 is affordable, used, the FTZ will be more affordable too.

Nikon really needs to make a FTZ AF-D. Even then I still wouldn’t be interested in the Z system, but it might motivate others.

Is that even possible?

Sony made their equivalent. Kinda inexpensive too.